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Accord vs Accura
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aljudy - 31 Jul 2004 23:35 GMT I am considering buying a 2004 Honda Accord or an Accura. Can someone please give me some guidance as to why buy one vs the other besides that the Accura is a couple of thousand dollars higher in price. I am leaning towards the Accord because it is simpler and has higher mileage. On the other hand the Accura has traction control and stability control, but these features mean more complexity. Please give me your thoughts... Al
Bubba - 01 Aug 2004 15:05 GMT These are both Honda-built cars and so both should provide you with a long and reliable service life. Bear in mind of course that the more complex feature load may at some point prove problematic and require more servicing. However, don't try to compensate for this by purchasing an extended warranty. There is no value in an EW except to the dealer.
However, since there are different accessories and features *YOU* have to decide which of these are more important *TO YOU*. Right now with the high fuel prices I would think with all else being equal that fuel economy would be an important factor. Of course unless you drive a lot of miles, the difference in only a couple MPG are going to have little impact, so you have to weigh this item carefully.
The Accura is more of a "status symbol". Are social appearances important? Do you need to impress someone? If not, then the Accord gets the check mark in this column.
Arguably, in the long term I think you're going to find the Accord (EX) hard to beat. While you're at it, get the NAV package, you'll love it.
Just be mindful of the fact that the 2005s are going to be rolling into your dealer's showroom very soon. My opinion on this topic is that unless you can buy last year's model (2004) equally equipped for at least 20% less than you can buy a new 2005, go for the 2005. In other words, why buy a car that's already a year old (and a year already depreciated in value) when the difference in monthly payments would be minimal? At the end of a typical 5-yr note the 2004 will be 6 yrs old and worth less, but you will have paid almost the same for it as you would a 2005.
There really is little incentive right now to buy a 2004 instead of a 2005. All the dealers are really HURTING because of the depressed car market. My bet is with some aggressive haggling that you're going to be able to strike as good a deal on an '05 as you will on an '04.
Remember, forget the extended warranty. It's not a warranty at all, it's a mechanical breakdown insurance police with a per-occurrence deductible that *DOES NOT* cover the car bumper-to-bumper. Honda cars are among the most reliable on the road today. Your chances of just breaking even with the policy's high up-front cost is historically slim. However, if you're utterly convinced that you want an EW, for goodness' sake don't buy it from the dealer. Instead contact your auto insurance company. Both State Farm and Allstate offer a similar plan at a remarkable savings over the dealership's plan.
>I am considering buying a 2004 Honda Accord or an Accura. Can someone >please give me some guidance as to why buy one vs the other besides that >the Accura is a couple of thousand dollars higher in price. I am leaning towards >the Accord because it is simpler and has higher mileage. On the other hand the Accura has traction control and stability control, but these features mean more >complexity. Please give me your thoughts... Al Kenneth J. Harris - 01 Aug 2004 15:56 GMT I am familiar with both cars--the Honda Accord EX (auto with the V6) which I own, and the Accura which a friend and a relative both own. As you said, the Accura is a bit more expensive, but you do get more features such as stability control and fog lights. More importantly, the Accura has better performance (acceleration, brakeing and handling), at least that's what the tests in auto magazines show. Neverless I bought the Honda and have been quite satisfied. One report said something like it was a smart buy because it gave you about 93% of what the Accura does but cost less than 93% as much. Good luck.
Ken
> I am considering buying a 2004 Honda Accord or an Accura. Can someone > please give me some guidance as to why buy one vs the other besides that [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > features mean more > complexity. Please give me your thoughts... Al Tim - 02 Aug 2004 00:16 GMT With the problems honda and acura have had with their transmissions the last 5 years not to mention ignition switches and numerious other problems I would rule out buying a honda or acura all together.
> I am familiar with both cars--the Honda Accord EX (auto with the V6) > which I own, and the Accura which a friend and a relative both own. As [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > features mean more > > complexity. Please give me your thoughts... Al rjdriver - 02 Aug 2004 11:24 GMT > With the problems honda and acura have had with their transmissions the last > 5 years not to mention ignition switches and numerious other problems I > would rule out buying a honda or acura all together. Can you site evidence of this? First I heard. And Consumer Reports reliability ratings show no slippage in these two areas in the last 5 years.
Bob
> > I am familiar with both cars--the Honda Accord EX (auto with the V6) > > which I own, and the Accura which a friend and a relative both own. As [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > > features mean more > > > complexity. Please give me your thoughts... Al Elmo P. Shagnasty - 02 Aug 2004 13:01 GMT > > With the problems honda and acura have had with their transmissions the > last [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Can you site evidence of this? First I heard. And Consumer Reports > reliability ratings show no slippage in these two areas in the last 5 years. The transmission thing is huge. Don't buy an Accord or Accord-related vehicle (Odyssey, etc.) from the 98-02 model years with a V6 engine and an automatic transmission. Even the 4 cylinder models are suspect with respect to the automatic transmissions.
At one point, my Honda shop was putting in about 4-5 automatic transmissions a week. It was like the fart in the living room: everyone knew about it, but no one was willing to talk about it.
Finally Honda took some steps to add warranty, etc. to those transmissions. Then the 5 speed transmission came out in the Odyssey, and those are now under recall. So they went to an all-new transmission and still couldn't get it right.
Honda, that great engineering company, has screwed up BIG time with major engineering issues--like the transmissions.
Ignition switches--yes, the CRV and now older Odyssey/Accords are having recalls.
Tim - 04 Aug 2004 02:29 GMT I know first hand of recalls for ignition switch electrical and mecanical, also timing belt tenisioner, trsnsmission,and egr ports clog often or valves have to be replaced, this is on mdx cl and tl's. The rl and rsx has their problem's too, about the best buy for acura or honda is the tsx auto trans. and the honda element.
> > With the problems honda and acura have had with their transmissions the > last [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > > > features mean more > > > > complexity. Please give me your thoughts... Al Elmo P. Shagnasty - 04 Aug 2004 11:58 GMT > I know first hand of recalls for ignition switch electrical and mecanical, > also timing belt tenisioner, trsnsmission,and egr ports clog often or valves > have to be replaced, this is on mdx cl and tl's. The rl and rsx has their > problem's too, about the best buy for acura or honda is the tsx auto trans. > and the honda element. Element is built in Japan. TSX?
I expect the new RL to fall into the "best buy" category, too.
JAC - 03 Aug 2004 15:30 GMT >With the problems honda and acura have had with their transmissions the last >5 years not to mention ignition switches and numerious other problems I >would rule out buying a honda or acura all together. Oh yes, I remember reading about how all the other manufacturers made perfect cars.
Elmo P. Shagnasty - 03 Aug 2004 20:09 GMT > >With the problems honda and acura have had with their transmissions the last > >5 years not to mention ignition switches and numerious other problems I > >would rule out buying a honda or acura all together. > > Oh yes, I remember reading about how all the other manufacturers made > perfect cars. Quit apologizing for Honda.
For Honda, the major mistakes they've made with transmissions alone is a HUGE issue. The same mistakes would be par for the course at, say, Chrysler--but Honda threw away years and years and untold billions of dollars of engineering reputation by making ongoing major engineering screwups and not taking immediate and full responsibility for them.
What's par for the course at all the other manufacturers is NOT par for the course at Honda. And that's why we bought Hondas. Now, you're saying that Honda should be accepted as being just like "all the other manufacturers"? Like Chrysler?
If I'm going to get Chrysler-level quality, why should I pay Honda-level prices?
You can't hide behind the other manufacturers being screwups if you want people to think Honda is above that.
L Alpert - 04 Aug 2004 01:42 GMT >>> With the problems honda and acura have had with their transmissions >>> the last 5 years not to mention ignition switches and numerious [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > you're saying that Honda should be accepted as being just like "all > the other manufacturers"? Like Chrysler? Ford only recalled Pintos when they figured the lawsuits would cost them more then the recall. It is the way business is conducted. I'm not apologizing or making excuses for it, it is just the reality.
I had an issue with my front brakes on my Jeep, which was listed on a TSB. They wouldn't do anything about it until they realized I knew of the TSB.....
> If I'm going to get Chrysler-level quality, why should I pay > Honda-level prices? Not even close, IMO, even with the tranny issues. I have a Jeep and 3 Hondas, the Jepp can't hold a candle to them.
> You can't hide behind the other manufacturers being screwups if you > want people to think Honda is above that. No one is above a "screw up". It's up to the statisticians.
Elmo P. Shagnasty - 04 Aug 2004 02:17 GMT > > If I'm going to get Chrysler-level quality, why should I pay > > Honda-level prices? > > Not even close, IMO, even with the tranny issues. But relatively speaking, given what we've come to expect from Honda, an issue of this magnitude puts them right down in the Chrysler class.
Honda has disappointed many, many of their customers--throwing away years of reputation in the process.
L Alpert - 05 Aug 2004 04:39 GMT >>> If I'm going to get Chrysler-level quality, why should I pay >>> Honda-level prices? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Honda has disappointed many, many of their customers--throwing away > years of reputation in the process. I'd have more faith in them actually fixing the problem. I have 2 accord v6 EXL's, an '01 coupe and a '04 sedan (and a Civic EX to boot) in the immediate family. More then happy with all of them.
Elmo P. Shagnasty - 05 Aug 2004 12:02 GMT > > Honda has disappointed many, many of their customers--throwing away > > years of reputation in the process. > > I'd have more faith in them actually fixing the problem. But they denied the problem for years, even as their dealers were putting in 4-5 transmissions a week into those 99 Accords.
That's Chrysler-level quality.
L Alpert - 18 Aug 2004 06:24 GMT >>> Honda has disappointed many, many of their customers--throwing away >>> years of reputation in the process. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > That's Chrysler-level quality. Poor decision on their part. I would still take them over Chrysler any day.
JAC - 11 Aug 2004 02:23 GMT So go by a Chrysler then. If what you say is true, we should be seeing Honda resale values slipping to Chrysler levels. Or better yet, today, go try to lease a Chrysler and a Honda of the same cost and compare lease payments (due to residual value differences).
>> >With the problems honda and acura have had with their transmissions the last >> >5 years not to mention ignition switches and numerious other problems I [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >You can't hide behind the other manufacturers being screwups if you want >people to think Honda is above that. Harvey J Cohen - 01 Aug 2004 17:03 GMT > I am considering buying a 2004 Honda Accord or an Accura. Can someone > please give me some guidance as to why buy one vs the other besides that > the Accura is a couple of thousand dollars higher in price. I am leaning > towards the Accord because it is simpler and has higher mileage. On the other hand > the Accura has traction control and stability control, but these features > mean more complexity. Please give me your thoughts. I recently purchased a 2004 Accord V6-EX (no navigation) and considered a 2004 Acura TL. For me, the choice of the Accord was almost a no-brainer.
There is no doubt that the TL is a better car, but the TL costs almost $8K more.
If you compare features and specifications, the Accord and TL are extrememly similar. Yes, the TL has a slightly more powerful engine and the TL has slightly better handling. Both have traction control and similar transmissions. The interior of the TL is somewhat more fancy, but only slightly so.
The accord V6-EX comes with leather, a very good sound system (yes, the TL has a somewhat better one) and a well laid out driver's console. The Accord V6-EX is an entry level luxury car in every way except price.
If the somewhat better handling and performance are extremely important to you, and the extra $8K is not an inssue, go with the TL. If you "settle" for the Accord, you won't be disappointed however.
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L Alpert - 01 Aug 2004 18:09 GMT >> I am considering buying a 2004 Honda Accord or an Accura. Can someone >> please give me some guidance as to why buy one vs the other besides [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > TL. If you "settle" for the Accord, you won't be disappointed > however. Does not the Acura 6 cyl also require 93 octane gas? Heard this somewhere, but never verified it.....
Harvey J Cohen - 01 Aug 2004 20:40 GMT > Does not the Acura 6 cyl also require 93 octane gas? Heard this somewhere, > but never verified it..... The TL requires "Premium" unleaded gas, which if memory serves me correctly is a 91 Octane gas., at least in Southern Cal.
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jack - 01 Aug 2004 22:32 GMT I am considering buying a 2004 Honda Accord thoughts... Al all accura cars require hi octane gas, get the honda
Bubba - 01 Aug 2004 23:28 GMT Recommended, but not absolutely required. These cars have a built-in knock sensor which automatically retards the timing to prevent spark knock (and associated damage) whenever lower octane fuel is used.
Of course performance and efficiency suffer, but no damage occurs.
> I am considering buying a 2004 Honda Accord thoughts... Al > all accura cars require hi octane gas, get the honda. Jason - 02 Aug 2004 02:59 GMT > I am considering buying a 2004 Honda Accord or an Accura. Can someone > please give me some guidance as to why buy one vs the other besides that [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > features mean more > complexity. Please give me your thoughts... Al Do you live in an area that gets snow during the winter months? If so, I recommend that you buy the Accura since the traction and stability control will help you deal better with slick roads. If you live in a area that does not ever get any snow--test drive both of them and buy the one you like best. They are both excellent cars--the Accura is slightly better.
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Rob - 05 Aug 2004 20:49 GMT > > I am considering buying a 2004 Honda Accord or an Accura. Can someone > > please give me some guidance as to why buy one vs the other besides that [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > does not ever get any snow--test drive both of them and buy the one you > like best. They are both excellent cars--the Accura is slightly better. I faced the same decision, and went for the 2004 Accord - I even ended up going with the 4-cylinder after testing it. I decided against the Acura, a lovely car, because I didn't think the additional $10 was justified, and also because when I got into the TL, I felt like I was in the Accord - the climate control, etc. switches were identical. That turned me off. You can't go wrong on this decision, though, IMO! Also, I live in MN with about 50" of snow each year, and am comfortable with just FWD. RPM
aljudy - 10 Aug 2004 21:26 GMT I want to thank everyone for your posts. I have bought a 2004 Accord EX with the leather option. I passed on the navigation because I already use a laptop with GPS for a small RV and plan to use it in the new Accord when I need it. I paid just under $22K in Ventura, CA and I felt this was discounted enough to make the '04 worth it rather than wait for the '05. This vehicle replaces a '97 Jeep Grand Cherokee, so it is night and day from this. I decided on the Accord for the price, mileage, reliability, appointments, and less complexity than the Acura... Al I am considering buying a 2004 Honda Accord or an Accura. Can someone please give me some guidance as to why buy one vs the other besides that the Accura is a couple of thousand dollars higher in price. I am leaning towards the Accord because it is simpler and has higher mileage. On the other hand the Accura has traction control and stability control, but these features mean more complexity. Please give me your thoughts... Al
Fred Smith - 14 Aug 2004 14:25 GMT Congratulations. Did you get four or six cylinder? Manual or automatic?
Fred I want to thank everyone for your posts. I have bought a 2004 Accord EX with the leather option. I passed on the navigation because I already use a laptop with GPS for a small RV and plan to use it in the new Accord when I need it. I paid just under $22K in Ventura, CA and I felt this was discounted enough to make the '04 worth it rather than wait for the '05. This vehicle replaces a '97 Jeep Grand Cherokee, so it is night and day from this. I decided on the Accord for the price, mileage, reliability, appointments, and less complexity than the Acura... Al "aljudy" <nowhere@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:A8VOc.5073$AY5.1054@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com... I am considering buying a 2004 Honda Accord or an Accura. Can someone please give me some guidance as to why buy one vs the other besides that the Accura is a couple of thousand dollars higher in price. I am leaning towards the Accord because it is simpler and has higher mileage. On the other hand the Accura has traction control and stability control, but these features mean more complexity. Please give me your thoughts... Al
aljudy - 14 Aug 2004 16:03 GMT 4 cyls and automatic.... Al Congratulations. Did you get four or six cylinder? Manual or automatic?
Fred "aljudy" <nowhere@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:TbaSc.5286$WD.4961@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com... I want to thank everyone for your posts. I have bought a 2004 Accord EX with the leather option. I passed on the navigation because I already use a laptop with GPS for a small RV and plan to use it in the new Accord when I need it. I paid just under $22K in Ventura, CA and I felt this was discounted enough to make the '04 worth it rather than wait for the '05. This vehicle replaces a '97 Jeep Grand Cherokee, so it is night and day from this. I decided on the Accord for the price, mileage, reliability, appointments, and less complexity than the Acura... Al "aljudy" <nowhere@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:A8VOc.5073$AY5.1054@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com... I am considering buying a 2004 Honda Accord or an Accura. Can someone please give me some guidance as to why buy one vs the other besides that the Accura is a couple of thousand dollars higher in price. I am leaning towards the Accord because it is simpler and has higher mileage. On the other hand the Accura has traction control and stability control, but these features mean more complexity. Please give me your thoughts... Al
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