I bought a 1995 Honda Accord from my neighbor in March 2003. I did not
run any carfax or anything because I trusted the guy as he told me
that nothing was wrong with the car. Also, he was driving it daily and
we had a good friendly relation.
I got this car for $3500, the Blue Book value on this car was around
$4100, so I thought I was getting a good deal (and the neighbor also
showed it that way). I was really impressed with this gesture of his.
Now that I want to sell the car, I ran a carfax on it and was shocked
to find out that this car actually had a salvage title on it.
I really do not know what to do now. According to the carfax report,
the seller was the original owner of the car and had had an accident
in 1997 that rendered the car with "extensive damages" and a Salvage
title in the state of GA was issued thereafter.
Can anyone please help me with some advice as to what is the best
course of action to be taken here? Was the seller legally supposed to
tell me that this car had a Salvage title? Or was this my
responsibility. I plan to call up the seller but before I do that, I
want to get my ducks in a row here. I am willing to fight it out in
the courts too if I need to.
Thanks!
SoCalMike - 10 Oct 2004 02:31 GMT
> I bought a 1995 Honda Accord from my neighbor in March 2003. I did not
> run any carfax or anything because I trusted the guy as he told me
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> in 1997 that rendered the car with "extensive damages" and a Salvage
> title in the state of GA was issued thereafter.
so what title did *you* receive? the original? apparently, the collision
repair work was done so well you never noticed it.
> Can anyone please help me with some advice as to what is the best
> course of action to be taken here? Was the seller legally supposed to
> tell me that this car had a Salvage title? Or was this my
its usually printed on the title he hands to you when you buy. if he
gave you the "old" title, thats... pretty fraudulent.
> responsibility. I plan to call up the seller but before I do that, I
> want to get my ducks in a row here. I am willing to fight it out in
> the courts too if I need to.
how much were you going to sell the car for?
how much would it sell for with a "salvage" title?
see if the "friend" would like to buy it back, minus a mileage deduction
for the time youve been using it. let HIM sell it to someone else.
another option would be to use it as a trade in?
if it looks and runs well, just sell it as is and disclose the salvage
aspect of it. its 10 years old anyway, you paid $3500, and drove it for
a year and a half. sell it for $1900. if the cars nice, itll sell itself.
> Thanks!
LostinGA - 10 Oct 2004 14:39 GMT
> so what title did *you* receive? the original? apparently, the collision
> repair work was done so well you never noticed it.
----YOU ARE RIGHT, I NEVER NOTICED ANYTHING ON THE TITLE, JUST SIGNED
THE BACK OF IT AND SENT IT TO THE DMV. THE CAR LOOKED JUST FINE, SO
COULD NEVER DOUBT ANYTHING
> > Can anyone please help me with some advice as to what is the best
> > course of action to be taken here? Was the seller legally supposed to
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> how much were you going to sell the car for?
> how much would it sell for with a "salvage" title?
I WANTED TO SELL AT OR AROUND KBB ~ $3000. NOW IT WOULD GO FOR HALF
THAT PRICE
> see if the "friend" would like to buy it back, minus a mileage deduction
> for the time youve been using it. let HIM sell it to someone else.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> >
> > Thanks!
Brian Smith - 10 Oct 2004 14:42 GMT
> ----YOU ARE RIGHT, I NEVER NOTICED ANYTHING ON THE TITLE, JUST SIGNED
> THE BACK OF IT AND SENT IT TO THE DMV. THE CAR LOOKED JUST FINE, SO
> COULD NEVER DOUBT ANYTHING
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anonymous - 10 Oct 2004 03:27 GMT
>I bought a 1995 Honda Accord from my neighbor in March 2003. I did not
>run any carfax or anything because I trusted the guy as he told me
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
>Thanks!
Small claims court. If you can somehow prove fraud or
misrepresentation, even after some time has gone by, you might win. I
did it and won.
L Alpert - 10 Oct 2004 06:41 GMT
> I bought a 1995 Honda Accord from my neighbor in March 2003. I did not
> run any carfax or anything because I trusted the guy as he told me
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Thanks!
Does your neighbor have something you can borrow and then not give back?
Just kidding, of course. Pretty crappy thing for him to do. Pretty bad
when you can't trust your neighbors.
Custers - 10 Oct 2004 07:43 GMT
> I bought a 1995 Honda Accord from my neighbor in March 2003. I did not
> run any carfax or anything because I trusted the guy as he told me
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Thanks!
Might want to contact the your state Motor Vehicle Administration about
title validity. Let them do a title research for you. After all, it is
their responsibility.
LostinGA - 10 Oct 2004 14:41 GMT
> > I bought a 1995 Honda Accord from my neighbor in March 2003. I did not
> > run any carfax or anything because I trusted the guy as he told me
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> title validity. Let them do a title research for you. After all, it is
> their responsibility.
---- I DO PLAN TO GO TO THE DMV MONDAY AND RESEARCH IF HE GAVE ME A
SALVAGE TITLE. THANKS ALL FOR YOUR PRECIOUS INPUTS
aal - 10 Oct 2004 16:52 GMT
> ---- I DO PLAN TO GO TO THE DMV MONDAY AND RESEARCH IF HE GAVE ME A
> SALVAGE TITLE. THANKS ALL FOR YOUR PRECIOUS INPUTS
Your Caps Lock is STILL on.
If you are comming here for help, don't yell at us
We didn't sell you the car
I hope things work out for you
aal
anonymous - 11 Oct 2004 00:08 GMT
>> ---- I DO PLAN TO GO TO THE DMV MONDAY AND RESEARCH IF HE GAVE ME A
>> SALVAGE TITLE. THANKS ALL FOR YOUR PRECIOUS INPUTS
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>aal
It's ok - our eyeballs are deaf.
rjdriver - 10 Oct 2004 14:25 GMT
> I bought a 1995 Honda Accord from my neighbor in March 2003. I did not
> run any carfax or anything because I trusted the guy as he told me
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Thanks!
This all sounds pretty odd to me. A *two* year old Accord was in an
accident. Damages were so extensive that it was declared a total loss!
Must have been pretty bad. Yet for some reason the owner felt he could get
it fixed on his own and lobbied the insurace company to give it to him as a
"slavage". He has it repaired and gets 6 more good years out of it. You
buy the car from him and it must look and drive good enough to fool you into
thinking there were no major problems, so apparently the original owner did
a good job having it fixed after the accident. Hmm.....
Georgia has an unusual definiftion of salvage which may or may not offer
an explanation for what happened: " A vehicle which has been broken,
disrupted or damaged to such an extent that it will not pass a Georgia State
motor vehicle safety inspection and is sold, or in any manner disposed of,
while in that condition. A vehicle to which any person, including an
insurance company, has taken title in the settlement of a claim for damages
to such vehicle by fire, collision, or other causes is wreckage or salvage
regardless of the actual condition of the vehicle. The term "insurance
company" is defined in such a manner as to include self insurers."
I would have a title search done just make sure yours is authentic. If
it's not and GA wont let you sell a 14 year old car without a valid title
(some states will) then you might have a solid small claims court case. If
the title is valid and the car has performed well for you, and a mechanic
will certify it's current condition as sellable at a value you agree with,
any claim against the original owner for his deception might not be worth
the trouble at this point, even if it could be proved.
Bob
dold@XReXXCheat.usenet.us.com - 10 Oct 2004 16:43 GMT
In rec.autos.makers.honda rjdriver <rjdrivers@cox.net> wrote:
> This all sounds pretty odd to me. A *two* year old Accord was in an
> accident. Damages were so extensive that it was declared a total loss!
...
> Georgia has an unusual definiftion of salvage which may or may not offer
When I lived in Mississippi, there were used car lots that specialized in
salvage vehicles. These were often cars that had been caught in floods,
maybe on a new car dealer's lot before even being sold for the first time.
If the interior was replaced, there was no obvious sign of a problem, other
than the salvage title.
Maybe it was flooded while the previous owner had it, but he never
considered it to be totalled.
Or, maybe carfax is wrong ;-)
The current owner should have the new title, salvage or not.

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rdel - 10 Oct 2004 17:25 GMT
You don't have to. Borrow $500 from your neighbor then offer his wife $500
to f**k her. Then tell your neighbor that you paid him back and get it from
his wife.
>I bought a 1995 Honda Accord from my neighbor in March 2003. I did not
> run any carfax or anything because I trusted the guy as he told me
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Thanks!
Jason - 11 Oct 2004 02:57 GMT
> I bought a 1995 Honda Accord from my neighbor in March 2003. I did not
> run any carfax or anything because I trusted the guy as he told me
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Thanks!
While at the DMV office, ask whether or not they can give you a regular
title since you were a victim of fraud. If they can't do that for you, ask
if it legal for you go sell the vehicle with salvage title. If you sell it
with a salvage title below the blue book price, take your neighbor to
small claims court and demand that he pay you the difference. For everyone
that reads this post, this is a story that proves everyone needs to do a
carfax report on any used vehicle they buy.

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N.E.Ohio Bob - 11 Oct 2004 16:17 GMT
For everyone
> that reads this post, this is a story that proves everyone needs to do a
> carfax report on any used vehicle they buy.
I had a clean Car-fax report on a '89 Prelude that I bought back in
'92. After I bought it, I found that the front of the car was black,
and, the rear door pillar back was red. I traded it on my '92 Accord
which I'm still driving.
I recently checked the serial number from the Prelude on car fax, and
it shows the car is still going in a town about thirty miles south of
here. bob
VY - 11 Oct 2004 22:34 GMT
> While at the DMV office, ask whether or not they can give you a regular
> title since you were a victim of fraud. If they can't do that for you, ask
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> that reads this post, this is a story that proves everyone needs to do a
> carfax report on any used vehicle they buy.
Went to the DMV and another surprise- DMV has no record of this car
being Salvage!! Gotta check with carfax now... wonder why they have
this car as a salvage title!
dold@XReXXCheat.usenet.us.com - 11 Oct 2004 23:11 GMT
In rec.autos.makers.honda VY <vyapak@gmail.com> wrote:
> Went to the DMV and another surprise- DMV has no record of this car
> being Salvage!! Gotta check with carfax now... wonder why they have
> this car as a salvage title!
I suggested that carfax might be wrong.
If you received title from the DMV, it should say if it is salvage.
In California, it is rahter clear. I think the regstration form also has
some verbage on it, but I can't remember if it is so obvious.

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E. Meyer - 12 Oct 2004 02:29 GMT
On 10/11/04 4:34 PM, in article
3f6ac8cd.0410111334.48fcaa42@posting.google.com, "VY" <vyapak@gmail.com>
wrote:
>> While at the DMV office, ask whether or not they can give you a regular
>> title since you were a victim of fraud. If they can't do that for you, ask
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> being Salvage!! Gotta check with carfax now... wonder why they have
> this car as a salvage title!
If the DMV is giving you a clear title, why do you care? Regardless of
whatever carfax says, you can present a clear title to a perspective buyer.
SoCalMike - 12 Oct 2004 07:43 GMT
> If the DMV is giving you a clear title, why do you care? Regardless of
> whatever carfax says, you can present a clear title to a perspective buyer.
in california, the title will clearly say "salvage" on it at the top.
the majority or people dont even run a carfax report.
Alex Rodriguez - 13 Oct 2004 17:01 GMT
>I bought a 1995 Honda Accord from my neighbor in March 2003. I did not
>run any carfax or anything because I trusted the guy as he told me
>that nothing was wrong with the car. Also, he was driving it daily and
>we had a good friendly relation.
>I got this car for $3500, the Blue Book value on this car was around
>$4100, so I thought I was getting a good deal
I hope you mean $4100 private party value and not retail.
>(and the neighbor also
>showed it that way). I was really impressed with this gesture of his.
Again, I hope you checked the numbers yourself and did not just take
his word for it.
>Now that I want to sell the car, I ran a carfax on it and was shocked
>to find out that this car actually had a salvage title on it.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>want to get my ducks in a row here. I am willing to fight it out in
>the courts too if I need to.
You should call your neighbor, in a courteous fashion, and ask him about
the salvage title. It could turn out to be a theft recovery with lots of
parts missing. Due to the cost of fixing the car the insurance company
totaled the car and it got the salvage title. It was your responsibility
to do your homework. Also, the title should clearly state if it was a salvage
title. You did review the title before you bought the car, right? With a
salvage title I would say you over paid for the car, but that is your own
fault for not doing your homework.
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Alex
pagegirl - 18 Oct 2004 13:22 GMT
hey there... do ask georgia about the title. i know that georgia is
one of those states that wash their own titles. only a simple state
inspection is needed for a title to go from salvage to clean in
georgia. the title may be clean now, but the history still show the
vehicle as salvage. good luck.