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Car Forum / Honda Cars / November 2004ACCORD CRAP
I have had to bring in my 2004 LX for transmission problems for the third time. These cars are crap, don't buy them! There are a whole pile of people with trannie issues on 2001-2005s. And to top it off there is a 250,000 car airbag recall! I used to have a 98 Accord and never had these problems. Now I would be better off buying a Malibu - the LT looks real good right now! You say problems with the 01-05's, try the 98-05's!!! Matthew > I have had to bring in my 2004 LX for transmission problems for the > third time. These cars are crap, don't buy them! There are a whole > pile of people with trannie issues on 2001-2005s. And to top it off > there is a 250,000 car airbag recall! I used to have a 98 Accord and > never had these problems. Now I would be better off buying a Malibu - > the LT looks real good right now! > There are a whole >pile of people with trannie issues on 2001-2005s. Didn't the '05s just hit the lots? And already there are lots of people with trannie issues? What kind of problems are people having with '05 trannies? bb TROLL PLUNK >> There are a whole >>pile of people with trannie issues on 2001-2005s. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > bb >TROLL > >PLUNK Technically, that's "ploink". And there's no need to holler, even if you be a newbie. bb > I have had to bring in my 2004 LX for transmission problems for the > third time. These cars are crap, don't buy them! There are a whole > pile of people with trannie issues on 2001-2005s. And to top it off > there is a 250,000 car airbag recall! I used to have a 98 Accord and > never had these problems. Now I would be better off buying a Malibu - > the LT looks real good right now! An EX transmissions are a lot better. Honda keeps the good trannies from those who don't see the value of paying extra more. > > I have had to bring in my 2004 LX for transmission problems for the > > third time. These cars are crap, don't buy them! There are a whole [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > trannies from those who don't see the value of paying > extra more. Let's not confuse matters any more than they are. Same transmission in both cars. I'll stick with my 5 spd Prelude. "TWW" wrote in message > "Burt Squareman" > > An EX transmissions are a lot better. > Let's not confuse matters any more than they are. Same > transmission in both cars. I'll stick with my 5 spd Prelude. They're the same, mechanically. No good to put an EX tranny into an LX. An EX (referring to the overall car) is design with better performance in mind. The Engine is a lot stronger which helps. The transmission computer may also play a part in shift schedule. trade it then! Tom >I have had to bring in my 2004 LX for transmission problems for the > third time. These cars are crap, don't buy them! There are a whole > pile of people with trannie issues on 2001-2005s. And to top it off > there is a 250,000 car airbag recall! I used to have a 98 Accord and > never had these problems. Now I would be better off buying a Malibu - > the LT looks real good right now! How dare you mention Accord and Malibu in the same breath, please trade your Accord for the Malibu. And stay away from Honda forever You block head. Thanks for the advice and I think I will follow it. GM's quality is supposedly much better now. What am I supposed to do? Ask for an EX transmission to be put into my LX? I'm putting a Malibu LT instead of the crap LX in my garage. I will not buy Honda again! > How dare you mention Accord and Malibu in the same breath, please trade > your Accord for the Malibu. And stay away from Honda forever You block > head. My dad actually test drove one of those Malibus, because he wanted to get a second car to drive to work and back, about 100mi/day (he wants to keep the 04 EX-V6 as a family car without a lot of mileage). The Malibu handles so badly on the highway, he literally got scared of it. Above 75mph it will become so unstable that it will try and change lanes by itself, and it feels like it's going to flip in every turn. And if you're thinking my dad does not know how to drive, you're wrong. He drove for a living in Europe, and he has about 2 million miles experience. Go ahead, you'll really enjoy the Malibu. Cosmin > Thanks for the advice and I think I will follow it. GM's quality is > supposedly much better now. What am I supposed to do? Ask for an EX [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>your Accord for the Malibu. And stay away from Honda forever You block >>head. Sounds like absolute bullshit to me , I had a Malibu rental in Flordia for a week and while it wasn't as refined as an Accord or Camry, it seemed like completely servicable vehicle . I had no problems driving it at 80MPH + on I-95. Never got the feeling it was going to " flip " in every turn , and the car never changed lanes by itself. Perhaps the example your dad drove was possessed by evil spirts or something.................. -Dana > My dad actually test drove one of those Malibus, because he wanted to get > a second car to drive to work and back, about 100mi/day (he wants to keep [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >>>your Accord for the Malibu. And stay away from Honda forever You block >>>head. Well, that's what my dad told me after he test drove it. He may have exagerated a bit, but here's my experience with the Malibu. I drove the previous model for 750mi straight (Toronto-Montreal and back in one day) and I had pretty much the same feeling. This was a brand new Malibu (at the time) with only 3000mi on board. The car definitely does not like driving in a straight line, even without any wind. Without constant adjustment from the steering wheel it will wander around the lane or change lanes by itself. To make matters worse, it gets easily blown around by the wind. I tried driving it faster than 80mph, and while it can do it, it is exhausting because it can't stay in one lane. But it won't go much faster, because it has a speed limiter at 105mph. If you hit the limiter, it will suddenly drop to 90mph, and it takes ages to get it back up to 105. But this is irrelevant, because it is stable only below 75mph. And the cornering is horrible. It won't flip, but the body roll definitely makes it feel like it. The stock tires are soft and have no grip. It was too easy to make it slide in the corners. In case you're wondering, at the time I was driving a 94 Accord EXR, which is by no means a sports car. But it accelerated, handled and braked like a Ferrari when compared to the Malibu. You obviously have different requirements of how a car should drive. The Malibu may be fine it you like driving in the slow lane along with the trucks. Otherwise, get a different car. Cosmin > Sounds like absolute bullshit to me , I had a Malibu rental in Flordia for a > week and while it wasn't as refined as an Accord or Camry, it seemed like [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >>>>your Accord for the Malibu. And stay away from Honda forever You block >>>>head. Agree with "bull." Sounds like an unprep'ed car! Put in a warranty complaint, take it to a better dealer or search out a good independent with good alignment equipment. Check the VIN #s too. You could have a "reconstructed" vehicle that was damaged in shipment to the dealer (no one would ever know). Definitely NOT Marlibu behavior .. . Bill > Well, that's what my dad told me after he test drove it. He may have > exagerated a bit, but here's my experience with the Malibu. I drove the [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > car never changed lanes by itself. Perhaps the example your dad drove was > > possessed by evil spirts or something.................. -Dana > >>My dad actually test drove one of those Malibus, because he wanted to get > >>a second car to drive to work and back, about 100mi/day (he wants to keep [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >>>>your Accord for the Malibu. And stay away from Honda forever You block > >>>>head. Cosmin N. is correct about the Malibu wandering all over the road and requiring constant (and tiring) steering input to keep it going straight down the road. I know because my wife and I have had a 1997 and currently own a 1998 Malibu. The main reason why I bought a 2004 Accord is because of the poor quality of the Chevy. I've own lots of Chevy's in the past but the '98 was my last. Damn Mickey Mouse brake design, failure of the lower intake gasket, leaking water pump, transmission leak, wheel bearing failures, fan control problems, premature corrosion on window trim, etc., etc. Expensive JUNK. > Well, that's what my dad told me after he test drove it. He may have > exagerated a bit, but here's my experience with the Malibu. I drove the > previous model for 750mi straight (Toronto-Montreal and back in one day) > and I had pretty much the same feeling. This was a brand new Malibu (at > the time) with only 3000mi on board. > Cosmin N. is correct about the Malibu wandering all over the road and > requiring constant (and tiring) steering input to keep it going [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > premature corrosion on window trim, etc., etc. Expensive JUNK. > libu (at the time) with only 3000mi on board. that kind of built quality is killing gm europe too a lot of european customers buy the much cheaper and more reliable korean junk marcel > The car definitely does not like driving in a straight line, even > without any wind. Without constant adjustment from the steering wheel > it will wander around the lane or change lanes by itself. To make > matters worse, it gets easily blown around by the wind. in europe all the us cars are known for 4 things: - they are big - they handle like a ship at sea - their badly fuel economy - they are badly put together (rattles) marcel the netherlands driving a '99 honda civic 1.5 vtec-e (last E stands for economic which means 17 km/litre or aprox 40 mls/gallon) >> The car definitely does not like driving in a straight line, even >> without any wind. Without constant adjustment from the steering wheel [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > (last E stands for economic which means 17 km/litre or aprox 40 > mls/gallon) My biggest complaint (I don't argue with your points) is that many of them are built to hold up for 3 years - after that, it isn't a warranty issue. I personally have known 2 people who bought mid-90s Ford Escorts in which the engine was destroyed by water pump failure (caused the timing belt to fail) after the warranty expired and before the car was paid for. Aargh! Mike >>>The car definitely does not like driving in a straight line, even >>>without any wind. Without constant adjustment from the steering wheel [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Mike glad you brought that up! in fact, a significant proportion of euro r&d budgets goes into life limitation. the technology to make components almost infinitely reliable is well known. what's a really hard technical challenge is getting something to work long enough, but no more. can't say who, but a certain high end european car manufacturer came to one of my old metallurgy department back in the 80's with a technical challenge they could not solve themselves. their objective was to have transmissions fail at about 100k - no sooner. transmissions were chosen because it was expensive to replace, but gave no bad rap like rust or dead engines. solving the problem required designing a fatigue life into the tooth root of every ratio in the transmission based on usage. these can be under 10 hours for reverse & several thousand for top - all radically different environments from a fatigue perspective. when these hours of operation are reached, the gears fail, and the fact that they /all/ will fail means it's uneconomic for aftermarket repairers to come out with a fix kit for a known problem. the irony is, it costs about 20%-30% /more/ to make these transmissions because their quality control needs to be very much more rigorous. all i can say is don't buy a certain brand of european luxury vehicle that advertises their transmissions as being "maintenance free". because they really mean it! >>> The car definitely does not like driving in a straight line, even >>> without any wind. Without constant adjustment from the steering [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Mike euro cars are louzy too nowadays the big three in europe: ford, vw en opel are just expensive crap. weak electronics and other cheap parts are killing the cars lifetime en reliability. especially opel and vw are suffering from that kind of management. therefore an increasing number of people buy japanese or korean cars (kia and hyundai) some people buy mercedes benz w124 series from mid 80s because they are better build and more reliable then the current models. marcel > My dad actually test drove one of those Malibus, because he wanted to > get a second car to drive to work and back, about 100mi/day (he wants to [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >>your Accord for the Malibu. And stay away from Honda forever You block > >>head. Our local paper advertised the 2004 Malibu's as starting at under 10k a local Chevy dealer. Pretty cheap -- looks like a "throw away" car. >> My dad actually test drove one of those Malibus, because he wanted to >> get a second car to drive to work and back, about 100mi/day (he wants [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Our local paper advertised the 2004 Malibu's as starting at under 10k > a local Chevy dealer. Pretty cheap -- looks like a "throw away" car. IMO,you get what you pay for.  SignatureJim Yanik jyanik-at-kua.net |
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