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Car Forum / Honda Cars / February 2005crv and J turns
Does anyone know if there will be adverse effects to the traction control system as a result of doing J turns ( locking rear wheels)? I may be getting a crv but would want to mess it up, and yes, I do alot of J tuns in the winter. Dan What the F*** is a J turn? Tom > Does anyone know if there will be adverse effects to the traction control > system as a result of doing J turns ( locking rear wheels)? I may be [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Dan An incomplete "U" turn? > What the F*** is a J turn? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> >> Dan >What the F*** is a J turn? Its when you reverse hard, flick the front around, and then move off in the opposite direction to that you're facing. Also called the reverse flick. no need for it ever to be done on public roads. About the only use of it, is to retreat from an attacker in front of you. >Tom > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >> Dan That being said Dan I would need more of a vehicle than a CR-V to retreat from an attacker. CR-V barely has enough power to get out of its own way, and I own one. Tom >>What the F*** is a J turn? > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >>> >>> Dan Actually a J turn is when you reef on the hand/parking brake, after flicking the wheel and doing a 180. Why some people confuse a J turn, and the other manouver is beyind me, ( no offense intended) but the reverse manouver soesn't look like a J when performed. I actaully call the reverse manouver a Rockford, after Jim Rockford's famous reverse manouver. I dive alot in snowy conditions, and in some circustances, the J turn, saves me from stopping, or from loosing front end control. On snow covered roads it's quite safe, and with my civic, I can do it at at almost any speed, usually at under 10 mph. > That being said Dan I would need more of a vehicle than a CR-V to retreat > from an attacker. CR-V barely has enough power to get out of its own way, [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >>> > >>> Dan > Actually a J turn is when you reef on the hand/parking brake, after > flicking [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > roads it's quite safe, and with my civic, I can do it at at almost any > speed, usually at under 10 mph. I could be wrong, but isn't this type of thing murder on at least some Honda automatic transmissions? My daughter's 93 Accord owner's manual warns strenuously about not engaging forward gears when moving backward or reverse when moving forward - if stuck in snow it must not be rocked, but must be towed. Mike >>Actually a J turn is when you reef on the hand/parking brake, after >>flicking [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Mike -------------------------- Dan is describing something I used to do all the time before I got a CR-V. Example: Car is facing wrong way on ice-covered driveway, no place to turn around because of snowbanks. Too lazy to go 300' to end of driveway and back up all the way to the garage. Drive forward, crank wheel hard to the left, yanking park brake . . . . rear of car swings around an you've done a 'J' turn, as Dan calls it. Load on tranny is the same as hitting the brakes (actually less since front wheels keep moving a bit) I think you're still stuck on the image of that 'backwards Cop-turn thing', whatever it's called. 'Curly' > I think you're still stuck on the image of that 'backwards Cop-turn > thing', whatever it's called. "Bootlegger's turn" is the name. Source is obvious. Bootleggers used to remove the pawl that locked the foot-operated parking brake on, allowing the driver to stomp the pedal as though it were a rear- wheel-only brake, which it was.  SignatureTeGGeR? The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >> I think you're still stuck on the image of that 'backwards Cop-turn >> thing', whatever it's called. > >"Bootlegger's turn" is the name. Source is obvious. Actually, more common name is 'handbrake turn' >Bootleggers used to remove the pawl that locked the foot-operated parking >brake on, allowing the driver to stomp the pedal as though it were a rear- >wheel-only brake, which it was. Of course, this is different from a j-turn (and much easier too) going forward and spinning the back of the car is easier than going backwards and spinning the front of the car. Actually, I think the term for that is a "K" turn not a "J" turn. You back up and go in the opposite direction. It looks like a bowed "K". Richard >>What the F*** is a J turn? > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >>> >>> Dan >Actually, I think the term for that is a "K" turn not a "J" turn. You back >up and go in the opposite direction. It looks like a bowed "K". I've never heward of a 'k-turn' - every course i've been on, instruction video/book i've seen, its called a J turn, as in thats the shape you do in reverse >Richard > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups >----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- > >Actually, I think the term for that is a "K" turn not a "J" turn. You back > >up and go in the opposite direction. It looks like a bowed "K". > > I've never heward of a 'k-turn' - every course i've been on, > instruction video/book i've seen, its called a J turn, as in thats the > shape you do in reverse I've always heard it referred to as a K turn but when I draw it out it looks more like a J. SignatureBearman If it's got tits, tires, tubes, or transistors, it's trouble. This may be a regional or area thing. I'm originally from NYC and it was called a "K" turn when I was learning to drive. Not really a big deal if you get down to it. It describes the same maneuver. >>Actually, I think the term for that is a "K" turn not a "J" turn. You >>back [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >>----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption >>=---- > Does anyone know if there will be adverse effects to the traction control > system as a result of doing J turns ( locking rear wheels)? I may be getting > a crv but would want to mess it up, and yes, I do alot of J tuns in the > winter. > > Dan ---------------------- Independant of the traction control, what you describe cannot be done in an AWD version of the CR-V because the AWD will kick in (even in reverse). You also can't yank the park brake to make the rear end swing around, while going forward, because the AWD will do it's best to keep the front and rear axles spinning at the same speed. . . You just end up doing a 4-wheel drift (and if your brakes are good enough, you'll stall a manual version). You'll have to get a 2WD CR-V if you want to keep doing that trick. Sorry :-( 'Curly' Thanks, that's not the answer I was hoping for, but it's an answer to my query. Cheers Dan > > Does anyone know if there will be adverse effects to the traction control > > system as a result of doing J turns ( locking rear wheels)? I may be getting [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > 'Curly' |
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