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I broke off my Oxygen sensor
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Danny Beardsley - 31 Dec 2005 21:07 GMT In the process of trying to replace my O2 (Oxygen) sensor on my 1993 honda civic EX, I broke the old one off. I tried some usual stuff, knocking it with a hammer, liberal WD-40, running the car for a bit to heat up the manifold. Anyway, TINK! it broke. Any suggestions?
Two pictures of the sensor and manifold http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?image=exhaustmanifold7eh.jpg http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?image=o2sensor9it.jpg
Nate Nagel - 31 Dec 2005 21:28 GMT > In the process of trying to replace my O2 (Oxygen) sensor on my 1993 > honda civic EX, I broke the old one off. I tried some usual stuff, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?image=exhaustmanifold7eh.jpg > http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?image=o2sensor9it.jpg First of all, WD-40 is not a penetrating oil, claims to the contrary by the manufacturer and thousands of users notwithstanding. It's a little late now, but really, you should have used Kroil, PB Blaster, or one of the other purpose-made penetrating oils rather than WD-40. Guess you will remember that next time :/
Now as to your immediate situation - that sucker is broken off in a very difficult way. I would personally suggest, if you have access, dropping the downpipe so the bottom of the manifold is open, and then trying to drill it out with successively larger drill bits. If you are lucky the drill bit will "catch" and spin the remaining piece out into the manifold (this is why I suggested dropping the downpipe.) If you are less than lucky, you'll end up drilling it out to the threads, in which case a spark plug thread chaser tap should clean them up.
You may find it easier to remove the manifold from the car; I haven't ever worked on a Honda so I don't know how difficult access is vs. manifold removal.
Needless to say, put some anti-seize on the threads of the new O2 sensor, and next time you go to replace one, before you get to the point of breakage, try heating the manifold around the sensor with a torch, pref. oxyacetylene if you have access to one.
good luck,
nate
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Lawrence Glickman - 31 Dec 2005 21:35 GMT >In the process of trying to replace my O2 (Oxygen) sensor on my 1993 >honda civic EX, I broke the old one off. I tried some usual stuff, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?image=exhaustmanifold7eh.jpg >http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?image=o2sensor9it.jpg Liquid Wrench penetrating oil. Soak repeatedly. Then pull all the garbage out of the center of the O2 sensor that is still in the manifold, and use an EZ OUT, or just drill the sucker with a large drill bit until it spins off on its own.
Lg
WD 40 is $hit in a can.
fweddybear - 31 Dec 2005 21:41 GMT >>In the process of trying to replace my O2 (Oxygen) sensor on my 1993 >>honda civic EX, I broke the old one off. I tried some usual stuff, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > WD 40 is $hit in a can. Or you can also use a pipe tool that when you turn it counterclockwise, will grab the inside of whatever is left in there and will come out. I had a similar problem with my lawn tractor.... the drain pipe for the oil was way too short and wanted to lenghten it. Well somehow, it broke off right at the edge of the engine block and I used one of those pipe tools that goes inside. I got it at home repo (depot) for not too much.
Good Luck,
Fwed
Nate Nagel - 31 Dec 2005 21:49 GMT >>>In the process of trying to replace my O2 (Oxygen) sensor on my 1993 >>>honda civic EX, I broke the old one off. I tried some usual stuff, [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Fwed Hmm, I've never seen what you're describing, but it sounds like something to add to the bag o' tricks. Is this a plumbing tool? I will have to look next time I'm at Home Despot.
nate
PS - I have never had any luck with EZ-outs. They always seem to break on me.
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Lawrence Glickman - 31 Dec 2005 22:14 GMT >>>>In the process of trying to replace my O2 (Oxygen) sensor on my 1993 >>>>honda civic EX, I broke the old one off. I tried some usual stuff, [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >PS - I have never had any luck with EZ-outs. They always seem to break >on me. Because I have to *anneal* mine first, the big ones, by heating with a propane tourch and then letting them air cool. It takes the brittleness out of them.
Lg
fweddybear - 31 Dec 2005 23:13 GMT >>>>In the process of trying to replace my O2 (Oxygen) sensor on my 1993 >>>>honda civic EX, I broke the old one off. I tried some usual stuff, [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > PS - I have never had any luck with EZ-outs. They always seem to break on > me. Yes, they are sold at home depot....when i had this problem, i didn't know what to do either until I went there and started asking around..... one of the people there showed me it....and told me it works wonders...forgot how much it is, but I don't think it was too much.... it comes in three sizes....well the one i have did...
good luck,
Fwed
Michael Pardee - 31 Dec 2005 23:42 GMT > PS - I have never had any luck with EZ-outs. They always seem to break on > me. I share your frustration. If they grip, they love to break... but often they just don't bite well enough.
I had a thought, though. The threads are jammed because they have tried to weld together, with the "pull" direction being the main force. When the EZ-out is seated, how about a few judicious taps with a hammer (or whatever will fit in the space available) on the end of the EZ-out to try to weaken those welds?
MIke
Alex Rodriguez - 02 Jan 2006 21:47 GMT >PS - I have never had any luck with EZ-outs. They always seem to break >on me. Me too. I wonder if I am doing something wrong? I usually end up breaking the EZ-out in the screw I need to remove. That then makes the job twice as hard since the EZ-outs are so hard. -------------- Alex
Jim Yanik - 03 Jan 2006 01:27 GMT > In article <dp6uf5021kh@news2.newsguy.com>, njnagel@flycast.net > says... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > -------------- > Alex I think it's a matter of drilling a deep enough hole for the EZ-out to go into,if you don't get deep enough,the stress is at the EZ-out's thinner,weaker section.That may be why some like the shorter,square-type of "EZ-out". Also,the EZ-out,when biting into the screw,expands it,and makes it harder to turn.
The EX-out has to be hard in order to bite into the screw and not get chewed up itself.It's hardened tool steel.
Some people prefer a left-handed drill bit,where the drill is used in reverse and aids in turning out the screw while drilling into it.
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Lawrence Glickman - 31 Dec 2005 21:50 GMT >>>In the process of trying to replace my O2 (Oxygen) sensor on my 1993 >>>honda civic EX, I broke the old one off. I tried some usual stuff, [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >Fwed Excellent idea. LEVERAGE IS YOUR FRIEND. Long handles are in fashion.
Lg
TE Cheah - 01 Jan 2006 09:59 GMT | WD 40 is $hit in a can. Popular Mechanic's article says it's good, so I bought a can : it cannot loosen rusty bolts.
Nate Nagel - 01 Jan 2006 11:26 GMT > | WD 40 is $hit in a can. > > Popular Mechanic's article says it's good, so I bought a can : > it cannot loosen rusty bolts. Probably because it's become "common knowledge" that it works; kind of like "Budweiser is good beer."
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Bernd Felsche - 01 Jan 2006 13:31 GMT >> | WD 40 is $hit in a can. >> >> Popular Mechanic's article says it's good, so I bought a can : >> it cannot loosen rusty bolts.
>Probably because it's become "common knowledge" that it works; kind of >like "Budweiser is good beer." Budweiser is beer?
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Ulf - 01 Jan 2006 17:00 GMT >>>| WD 40 is $hit in a can. >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Budweiser is beer? LOL. Reminds me of that joke about having sex in a canoe.
Ulf
Michael Pardee - 01 Jan 2006 13:43 GMT >| WD 40 is $hit in a can. > > Popular Mechanic's article says it's good, so I bought a can : > it cannot loosen rusty bolts. WD-40 is good, but not as a lubricant or penetrant (unless you have no real option available, then it's better than nothing in a pinch). It works well for cleaning up oily tools, for getting wet ignitions going, and leaves a nice smell on your hands; manly (sorry, Elle) and pleasant. It will also restore ribbons if you have a dot matrix printer around. Some people have used it as diesel starting fluid, but I've never had the occasion.
When I was a cyclist I used the WD-40 chain lube system. Every weekend I'd spray the "power train" (chain and everything) with Gunk, hose it off, and spray it with WD-40. It's a lazy way to keep the chain clean and lubricated enough for light use, but the chain does wear faster than it does with real chain lube. Oddly, sometimes bicycle brakes work better (don't chatter, more even grip) if the rim is wiped with a bit of WD-40... testament to the limitations of WD-40 as a lubricant.
Mike
Remco - 01 Jan 2006 15:30 GMT > >| WD 40 is $hit in a can. > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > even grip) if the rim is wiped with a bit of WD-40... testament to the > limitations of WD-40 as a lubricant. I agree with Mike. It cleans up tools really well.
I am restoring an old VW bug and its rust just laughs at WD40. A much better choice is PB blaster or Kroil for penetrating oil.
Remco
Elle - 01 Jan 2006 16:51 GMT > "TE Cheah" <no@spam.biz> wrote > >| WD 40 is $hit in a can. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > for cleaning up oily tools, for getting wet ignitions going, and leaves a > nice smell on your hands; manly (sorry, Elle) and pleasant. Sure, if all a man wants around him is other manly technicians.
I advise "Goop" or similar, followed by ordinary soap, then, for men, cologne or aftershave. (Tip: Amazing how huggable men are when the scent of even a little aftershave is in the air--I'm not proud of it, but with enough aftershave, I'll swoon even before men of a different political party affiliation.)
Anything but that WD-40 (or PB Blaster, etc.) odor...
Brandy? Rav?
I've stopped bringing penetrating oils into the house for even little cleanup jobs at the kitchen sink, because they make the whole house reek for a day.
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Remco - 01 Jan 2006 17:14 GMT > Sure, if all a man wants around him is other manly > technicians. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Happiest of New Years to all. Be safe, find peace. So using that handy dandy WD40 spray can as room refresher is out, then? :) May all your Hondas keep running.
Remco
Nate Nagel - 02 Jan 2006 00:03 GMT >>Sure, if all a man wants around him is other manly >>technicians. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Remco Completely apropos of nothing, but I actually love the smell of gear oil. I can't quite warm up to the limited slip additive, however...
nate
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Remco - 02 Jan 2006 00:42 GMT > >>Sure, if all a man wants around him is other manly > >>technicians. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > nate Maybe you, Mike, Elle and me stumbled onto a hole in the perfume market....
Just watch: a month from now, one of the fancy perfume companies will come out with "Essence de Voiture".. Ahh, the smell of it :)
Elle - 02 Jan 2006 00:58 GMT > Nate Nagel wrote: > > > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > come out with "Essence de Voiture".. Ahh, the smell of it :) That's right, I neglected the flip side of the coin, which is of course "What essence should a woman splash on to best 'catch' a man?"
Last time a guy complimented the fragrance coming from my direction, I had to tell him it was only hair spray. :-)
Anyway... I was thinking that the seemingly wide gender divide on the, um, appeal of machine oils may help explain certain other gender trends. Like why there are so few female auto techs?
I dunno. There does seem to be a noticeable difference in preferences.
Getting back to cars and this poor fellow with the busted off O2 sensor...
Michael Pardee - 01 Jan 2006 20:35 GMT >> WD-40 is good, but not as a lubricant or penetrant (unless > you have no real [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Sure, if all a man wants around him is other manly > technicians. Elle: 1 Mike: 0
Mike
Jim Carriere - 01 Jan 2006 18:26 GMT > restore ribbons if you have a dot matrix printer around. Some people have > used it as diesel starting fluid, but I've never had the occasion. I've used it as a gas starting fluid (old worn out carburetted cars, sub-zero temps). It's good because it's not nearly as explosive as ether, but it will still ignite easily enough to turn your engine over and get it going.
=AB Paul =BB - 01 Jan 2006 16:43 GMT > | WD 40 is $hit in a can. > > Popular Mechanic's article says it's good, so I bought a can : > it cannot loosen rusty bolts. WD-40 = Water Displacement formula #40. It never was meant for loosening rusty bolts.
Daniel J. Stern - 01 Jan 2006 17:00 GMT > | WD 40 is $hit in a can. Popular Mechanic's article says it's good, so > I bought a can : it cannot loosen rusty bolts. From this we learn a few things:
1) Yes, WD40 is mostly good at loosening money that was stuck in your wallet.
2) Popular Mechanics is full of shite.
There are two and *only* two penetrants I mess with any more: Kroil and Chrysler P/N 4318039.
notbob - 01 Jan 2006 17:25 GMT > From this we learn a few things:
> 2) Popular Mechanics is full of shite. Mainly, that you don't know how to spell sh.t!
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Hugo Schmeisser - 01 Jan 2006 18:26 GMT > > From this we learn a few things: > > > 2) Popular Mechanics is full of shite. > > Mainly, that you don't know how to spell sh.t! It's a legitimate spelling. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=shite
Grumpy AuContraire - 01 Jan 2006 22:02 GMT > > From this we learn a few things: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > nb "Schitt" is much more diplomatic...
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Daniel J. Stern - 01 Jan 2006 23:27 GMT >> From this we learn a few things: > >> 2) Popular Mechanics is full of shite. > > Mainly, that you don't know how to spell sh.t! ...or that you're a cloistered, ignorant, triggermouthed American.
Alex Rodriguez - 02 Jan 2006 21:49 GMT >> | WD 40 is $hit in a can. Popular Mechanic's article says it's good, so >> I bought a can : it cannot loosen rusty bolts. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >1) Yes, WD40 is mostly good at loosening money that was stuck in your >wallet. To be fair, WD works well at what it is designed to do, displace water. I use to carry a can in my car that had bad ignition wires. Whenever it was very humid out and my car would not start, a quick squirt on the wires got the car running. ------------- Alex
Mike Romain - 04 Jan 2006 18:39 GMT WD40 is excellent for what it was designed for. It is a Water Displacement formula, their 40th try....
It cleans up and dries out the insides of distributor caps, it works great cleaning up the insides of starters and loosening seized up electrical brushes. It also rust protects tools and cleans then nice.
It is total crap for a penetrating fluid though....
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> | WD 40 is $hit in a can. > > Popular Mechanic's article says it's good, so I bought a can : > it cannot loosen rusty bolts. L Alpert - 05 Jan 2006 01:27 GMT > WD40 is excellent for what it was designed for. It is a Water > Displacement formula, their 40th try.... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > It is total crap for a penetrating fluid though.... Used to buy it by the case when living in FL near the beach. Great for door hinges, BBQ grills, etc.
> Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> Popular Mechanic's article says it's good, so I bought a can : >> it cannot loosen rusty bolts. Mike Romain - 05 Jan 2006 01:46 GMT > > WD40 is excellent for what it was designed for. It is a Water > > Displacement formula, their 40th try.... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Used to buy it by the case when living in FL near the beach. Great for door > hinges, BBQ grills, etc. I live in the Canadian rust belt, tell me about it...
> > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >> Popular Mechanic's article says it's good, so I bought a can : > >> it cannot loosen rusty bolts. L Alpert - 06 Jan 2006 04:15 GMT >>> WD40 is excellent for what it was designed for. It is a Water >>> Displacement formula, their 40th try.... [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > I live in the Canadian rust belt, tell me about it... Then you do know......
>>> Mike >>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >>>> Popular Mechanic's article says it's good, so I bought a can : >>>> it cannot loosen rusty bolts. notbob - 05 Jan 2006 15:30 GMT > Used to buy it by the case.... I'd take that as a clue.
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L Alpert - 06 Jan 2006 04:16 GMT >> Used to buy it by the case.... > > I'd take that as a clue. > > nb That I am an alcoholic?
Michael Pardee - 06 Jan 2006 04:57 GMT >>> Used to buy it by the case.... >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > That I am an alcoholic? Admitting you have a WD-40 problem is the first step.... 8^P
Mike
L Alpert - 07 Jan 2006 01:11 GMT >>>> Used to buy it by the case.... >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Mike It is in remission since I moved to the rather dry climate of CA. Besides, I never like the taste.
SoCalMike - 06 Jan 2006 05:12 GMT >> WD40 is excellent for what it was designed for. It is a Water >> Displacement formula, their 40th try.... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Used to buy it by the case when living in FL near the beach. Great for door > hinges, BBQ grills, etc. i use it to clean and LIGHTLY lube motorcycle and bicycle chains and cables.
Remco - 06 Jan 2006 15:46 GMT > >> WD40 is excellent for what it was designed for. It is a Water > >> Displacement formula, their 40th try.... [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > i use it to clean and LIGHTLY lube motorcycle and bicycle chains and > cables. I use it to clean off my tools. It gets gunk and dirt off really well. I then rub a drop of oil with STP (that oil additive they tell you to use on old engines) on it to keep the rust at bay.
SoCalMike - 31 Dec 2005 21:45 GMT > In the process of trying to replace my O2 (Oxygen) sensor on my 1993 > honda civic EX, I broke the old one off. I tried some usual stuff, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?image=exhaustmanifold7eh.jpg > http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?image=o2sensor9it.jpg yeesh. some options, in no particular order-
junkyard manifold new manifold new header take it to a machine shop- let them get it out and rethread it you drill it out/rethread it hammer big flathead screwdriver into it, try to turn judicious use of an air chisel, big flathead, try to turn
Misterbeets - 31 Dec 2005 22:01 GMT Might try a radial cut with a small hacksaw blade.
Lawrence Glickman - 31 Dec 2005 22:11 GMT >Might try a radial cut with a small hacksaw blade. That's what I had to do with my 40 year old bathtub drain. I had to make 2 cuts, one on each side, about 120 degrees apart from eachother, and then the entire affair collapsed in on itself with a little help from a screwdriver and a hammer.
Michael Pardee - 31 Dec 2005 23:44 GMT > Might try a radial cut with a small hacksaw blade. That sounds like a good idea, if there is room to get it.
Mike
Elle - 01 Jan 2006 00:37 GMT Soak with PB Blaster an hour. Try an EZ-Out, some tapping (vibrations work wonders, like Michael suggests). EZ-Outs often fail, but they often work, too. They may be had at Autozone. Otherwise, what others said.
In my experience, PB Blaster is superior to Liquid Wrench, by a lot. They are about the same price. PB Blaster worked great on my exhaust system bolts last year, though the closer I got to the manifold, the tougher freeing bolts became.
Updates are welcome. Good luck.
> In the process of trying to replace my O2 (Oxygen) sensor on my 1993 > honda civic EX, I broke the old one off. I tried some usual stuff, > knocking it with a hammer, liberal WD-40, running the car for a bit to > heat up the manifold. Anyway, TINK! it broke. Any suggestions? Steve W. - 01 Jan 2006 00:42 GMT HEAT. Grab a torch (MAPP or propane will work just take a bit longer) Heat the remaining part and the manifold till it is red hot and then spray it with some good lube(Kroil, PB Blaster or the like NOT WD40). It will smoke like crazy. Let it cool and wipe it off. Now heat it again and drive a tapered square style EZ OUT in good. let it set a bit and turn it out. should come out easily this way.
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> In the process of trying to replace my O2 (Oxygen) sensor on my 1993 > honda civic EX, I broke the old one off. I tried some usual stuff, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?image=exhaustmanifold7eh.jpg > http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?image=o2sensor9it.jpg Eric - 01 Jan 2006 10:36 GMT > HEAT. Grab a torch (MAPP or propane will work just take a bit longer) > Heat the remaining part and the manifold till it is red hot and then > spray it with some good lube(Kroil, PB Blaster or the like NOT WD40). It > will smoke like crazy. Let it cool and wipe it off. Now heat it again > and drive a tapered square style EZ OUT in good. let it set a bit and > turn it out. should come out easily this way. Heat was going to be my recommendation as well (though without spraying it with penetrating oil while it was hot). Once it's hot, try using the EZ out. Though, I tend to prefer the spiral fluted extractors over the taper square style. In addition, make sure that you're not putting a side load on the extractor, just a twisting load. Side loads tend to make them brake. If you're going to drill it, then be sure to use left handed drill bits since they will help to loosen the remaining piece from the threads. Still, it looks like there's enough rust in there to require heating with a torch.
Eric
=AB Paul =BB - 01 Jan 2006 03:16 GMT > In the process of trying to replace my O2 (Oxygen) sensor on my 1993 > honda civic EX, I broke the old one off. I tried some usual stuff, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?image=exhaustmanifold7eh.jpg > http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?image=o2sensor9it.jpg If it were my car I would: Not bother with any sort of solvent - IMO it's a waste of time. 1) Knock the center of it down into the exhaust pipe. 2) Use a hacksaw blade to saw slits into the remaining threads. 3) Knock the slit pieces into the exhaust pipe. 4) Install new O2 sensor.
SoCalMike - 01 Jan 2006 16:50 GMT « Paul » wrote:
> If it were my car I would: > Not bother with any sort of solvent - IMO it's a waste of time. > 1) Knock the center of it down into the exhaust pipe. > 2) Use a hacksaw blade to saw slits into the remaining threads. if room permits, a sawzall would make quick work of that
> 3) Knock the slit pieces into the exhaust pipe. > 4) Install new O2 sensor. =AB Paul =BB - 01 Jan 2006 17:00 GMT > « Paul » wrote: > > If it were my car I would: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > 3) Knock the slit pieces into the exhaust pipe. > > 4) Install new O2 sensor. Yes. That never even dawned on me. And I'm usually the first one to reach for my air or electric tools.
fweddybear - 01 Jan 2006 17:09 GMT "« Paul »" <"=?x-user-defined?Q?=AB?= Paul =?x-user-defined?Q?=BB?="@houston.rr.com> wrote in message news:43B80AB8.711365AA@houston.rr.com... SoCalMike wrote:
> « Paul » wrote: > > If it were my car I would: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > 3) Knock the slit pieces into the exhaust pipe. > > 4) Install new O2 sensor. Yes. That never even dawned on me. And I'm usually the first one to reach for my air or electric tools.
This poses another problem..... you will get one hell of a rattle in the exhaust pipe until its removed...
Fwed
Lawrence Glickman - 01 Jan 2006 19:13 GMT >"« Paul »" <"=?x-user-defined?Q?=AB?= Paul >=?x-user-defined?Q?=BB?="@houston.rr.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >Fwed He could trying using a magnetic retrieval tool to pick up any pieces left in the pipe.
It looks like the sawblade suggestion is worth a try, but personally I would consider it as the last resort. Twisting it out with some kind of long-handled tool would be my first attempt. We can see what happened with his first attempt. It broke the sensor off. Now you just have to twist it out with that pipe gizmo you said you can buy at Home Depot or somesuch.
In fact, I am going there tomorrow just to look for such a thing. What is it called? Maybe I will see it in the plumbing department.
Lg
fweddybear - 01 Jan 2006 21:39 GMT >>"« Paul »" <"=?x-user-defined?Q?=AB?= Paul >>=?x-user-defined?Q?=BB?="@houston.rr.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Lg Earlier on, I had recommended a tool that is used for metal piping. Its a plumbers tool and when turned counterclockwise, it grabs the inside of whats left and turns it out. It works so simply, its like you were just taking the thing out without any effort. I think since he hasn't posted back, he is probably out looking for the item....the set i have comes in 3 different sizes.
Fwed
=AB Paul =BB - 02 Jan 2006 01:28 GMT > It looks like the sawblade suggestion is worth a try, but personally I > would consider it as the last resort. Twisting it out with some kind [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Lg Easy-Out. There are all kinds of them. I have most of them. Great time saver, but not for this application. The metal is too thin to grab. http://www.toolprice.com/category/screwextractors
Lawrence Glickman - 02 Jan 2006 01:49 GMT On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 01:28:16 GMT, "« Paul »" <" « Paul »"@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>> It looks like the sawblade suggestion is worth a try, but personally I >> would consider it as the last resort. Twisting it out with some kind [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >The metal is too thin to grab. >http://www.toolprice.com/category/screwextractors Yes, that's what I have, although I don't recall where and when I bought them. Easy-Out. Probably came mixed in with some pipe stuff I bought at Sears ( Crapsman ) at one time.
A lot of good ideas here. Many good ideas. Take your pick. Of course, a lot depends on where the sensor is located...how easy it is to get at, how much room there is to work on it.
Still, I don't see this as an End of the World scenario. I'm thinking time and patience will get it out, without doing any damage to the surrounding equipment.
I have a can of *Blaster* penetrating oil out in the garage. Man does that stuff STINK! But whatever. It might be a good idea to repeately apply that while tapping on what is left of the O2 sensor to help the *stuff* work its way down into the threads, presuming there are any threads left, and they haven't all turned to rust by now.
I have some fasteners that are so far rusted, so far gone ( exhaust hangers and such ) that the only way I can imagine getting them off is to cut them off with a disc grinder. They sell em at Harbor Freight for not much money.
In this case, it might make sense to remove the piece of manifold and take it down to the basement workshop where the OP can take his time and beat this piece of metal into submission.
Lg
=AB Paul =BB - 02 Jan 2006 01:44 GMT Forgot to mention, Easy-Outs don't work well on rusted or overly tight things without heating the object red-hot with oxy-actyl torch first.
Al Bundy - 01 Jan 2006 13:33 GMT I'd be tempted to forget removing it and simply drill a new hole and tap it. I think I would be done in an hour including a trip to the store for the tap if I didn't have one, but I do.
aarcuda69062 - 01 Jan 2006 14:34 GMT In article <1136122410.266996.37710@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> I'd be tempted to forget removing it and simply drill a new hole and > tap it. I think I would be done in an hour including a trip to the > store for the tap if I didn't have one, but I do. Did you even bother to look at the pictures?
If he leaves it as is, he's going to have a hell of an exhaust leak, not to mention that there's not likely to be sufficient meat in any other area of the manifold to mount an O2 sensor.
Bob Urz - 01 Jan 2006 15:11 GMT > In article > <1136122410.266996.37710@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > leak, not to mention that there's not likely to be sufficient > meat in any other area of the manifold to mount an O2 sensor. Maybe he can just take the whole manifold off and take it to a welding shop or such and have them remove it, and then re install it?
Bob
Al Bundy - 01 Jan 2006 23:10 GMT > In article > <1136122410.266996.37710@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > leak, not to mention that there's not likely to be sufficient > meat in any other area of the manifold to mount an O2 sensor. On the other hand I DID look at the pictures and the piece he has left in the manifold should not leak. It's broke off almost flush with the edge. The O2 sensor does not have a hold in the center like a lifesaver. The boss for the sensor is thicker, but I believe the casting has enough for holding a sensor. It's a crap shoot maybe. A person could drill a 3/16 test hole to see how thick it is there and make the decision to go forward or not and plug the hole. Believe it or not, O2 sensors are moved around on the manifold like this at times.
aarcuda69062 - 01 Jan 2006 23:36 GMT In article <1136157026.651848.153470@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> > Did you even bother to look at the pictures?
> On the other hand I DID look at the pictures and the piece he has left > in the manifold should not leak. It's broke off almost flush with the > edge. The O2 sensor does not have a hold in the center like a > lifesaver. Look again. I can clearly see the zirconia 'thimble' that is exposed inside the louvered sensor tip.
> The boss for the sensor is thicker, but I believe the > casting has enough for holding a sensor. It's a crap shoot maybe. A > person could drill a 3/16 test hole to see how thick it is there and > make the decision to go forward or not and plug the hole. Indeed. What reliable method would he use to plug a hole in cast iron?
> Believe it or > not, O2 sensors are moved around on the manifold like this at times. Haven't seen it in over 36 years. In a pipe, yes, but not in a manifold.
Stephen H - 01 Jan 2006 18:26 GMT Wow, that can be a tuff one.
My first choice; ox-ace heat, followed by the wrench Another option that was said to me was try to tighten first, then back out. This tip was from a old master tech that teaches tech courses. Now I tried it once and it didn't work for me, but we still try (I think I used heat on that one.) He also said ATf is a good penetrate. get the part hot and pun some on it and let it set overnight, the dissipating heat will wick it into the threads. I also have in my box a tap that is the 02 sensor size, wasn't easy to find, but I ordered it before I needed it. There also is an heli-coil set for thread repairs, sometimes they screw themselves up on the way out If you remove the manifold you could carry it to a vise or a machine shop. Heat is always the best choice.
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> In the process of trying to replace my O2 (Oxygen) sensor on my 1993 > honda civic EX, I broke the old one off. I tried some usual stuff, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?image=exhaustmanifold7eh.jpg > http://img416.imageshack.us/my.php?image=o2sensor9it.jpg Nate Nagel - 02 Jan 2006 00:05 GMT Won't work in his case, the nut part is broken off. But another thing that I have used with some success in the past is a cheap candle. Heat up whatever you want to remove, while it is red hot, stick a candle close by so the wax will melt and run into the threads. It will run in almost like solder. It really works, believe it or not...
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> Wow, that can be a tuff one. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > If you remove the manifold you could carry it to a vise or a machine shop. > Heat is always the best choice.
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Stephen H - 02 Jan 2006 02:38 GMT I do believe it.
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> Won't work in his case, the nut part is broken off. But another thing > that I have used with some success in the past is a cheap candle. Heat up [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >> shop. >> Heat is always the best choice.
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