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Car Forum / Honda Cars / January 2006honda quality parts advice
from these parts what do you recommend as higher quality part or maybe what to stay away from maybe something not listed ? Front/Rear Rotors :: Honda, Brembo, Winhere, PBR, Mountain Brake pads :: Honda, Nisin Prem, Akebono, Nisin Silver, PBR, NPN, Bendix HO2S :: Honda, NTK, Denso, Bosch, Walker TIA robb > from these parts what do you recommend as higher quality part or maybe what > to stay away from maybe something not listed ? > > Front/Rear Rotors :: Honda, > Brake pads :: Honda, Nisin Prem, Akebono, Nisin Silver, Bendix, id toss in raybestos too. to be honest, though. ive had good luck on all other cars with whatever the "lifetime" brake pad is. save the receipt, get new pads for as long as you own the car. > HO2S :: Honda, NTK, Denso, Bosch, Walker honda only. mine was $220 at the dealer, but was plug and play. no stripping/crimping wires. > > from these parts what do you recommend as higher quality part or maybe what > > to stay away from maybe something not listed ? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > other cars with whatever the "lifetime" brake pad is. save the receipt, > get new pads for as long as you own the car. never heard of lifetime brake pad, i'll look into that > > HO2S :: Honda, NTK, Denso, Bosch, Walker > > honda only. mine was $220 at the dealer, but was plug and play. no > stripping/crimping wires. high thanks for response my dealer wants 274 which is close to price so my worst price for (front rotors, pads, h02s} is 485 the best is 128 which is reason for post... 350 is alot of quality wiggle room ? i do not mind paying for quality, i do not want to overpay on the "probably ok" stuff thanks again robb c'mon yuse guys, need some experience with these parts (crap/not crap) from these parts what do you recommend as higher quality part or maybe what to stay away from or maybe something not listed ? Front/Rear Rotors :: Honda, Brembo, Winhere, PBR, Mountain Brake pads :: Honda, Nisin Prem, Akebono, Nisin Silver, PBR, NPN, Bendix HO2S :: Honda, NTK, Denso, Bosch, Walker TIA robb > c'mon yuse guys, need some experience with these parts (crap/not crap) > > from these parts what do you recommend as higher quality part or maybe what > to stay away from or maybe something not listed ? > > Front/Rear Rotors :: Honda, Brembo, Winhere, PBR, Mountain Dunno. > Brake pads :: Honda, Nisin Prem, Akebono, Nisin Silver, PBR, NPN, Bendix In the future I plan to go with strictly Honda OEM. From my reading, the "lifetime" pads use material that is harder and so lasts longer, but also as a result shortens the life of the rotor. The cost of Honda OEM pads (around $40 online for my 91 Civic) is low enough that I think they're worth it. > HO2S :: Honda, NTK, Denso, Bosch, Walker = heated oxygen sensor (1) From my reading the aftermarket O2 sensors can be persnickety; and (2) an OEM sensor might be had for a very competitive price at https://www.automedicsupply.com/ . At least, for my 91 Civic, it was a steal at about $45 altogether. Very good service and shipping. "Elle" <honda.lioness@earthlink.net> wrote Rob > > HO2S :: Honda, NTK, Denso, Bosch, Walker > > = heated oxygen sensor P.S. my 91 Civic's OEM sensor is made by Nippon Denso, now called IIRC just Denso. > "Elle" <honda.lioness@earthlink.net> wrote > Rob [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > P.S. my 91 Civic's OEM sensor is made by Nippon Denso, now > called IIRC just Denso. Just ND, actually.  SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > "Elle" <honda.lioness@earthlink.net> wrote > > P.S. my 91 Civic's OEM sensor is made by Nippon Denso, now > > called IIRC just Denso. > Just ND, actually. Actually, the site I posted before lists the manufacturer as just "Denso." The packaging for my 91 Civic's sensor says just "Denso" on it. The history of Denso Corp. states that NipponDenso Co. became Denso Corp. in 1996: http://www.denso.co.jp/en/aboutdenso/history/ >> "Elle" <honda.lioness@earthlink.net> wrote >> > P.S. my 91 Civic's OEM sensor is made by Nippon Denso, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > NipponDenso Co. became Denso Corp. in 1996: > http://www.denso.co.jp/en/aboutdenso/history/ Already posted a correction. SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >> "Elle" <honda.lioness@earthlink.net> wrote >> > P.S. my 91 Civic's OEM sensor is made by Nippon Denso, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > NipponDenso Co. became Denso Corp. in 1996: > http://www.denso.co.jp/en/aboutdenso/history/ I think what was causing my confusion here is Denso's penchant for putting their "ND" logo on everything. That has not changed since I can ever remember. For some reason I started thinking the company name itself was ND. Oops. SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > I think what was causing my confusion here is Denso's penchant for putting > their "ND" logo on everything. That has not changed since I can ever > remember. My original, 1991 oxygen sensor was stamped ND. The new, Denso one (purchased in 2004) was not. > "Elle" <honda.lioness@earthlink.net> wrote > Rob [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > P.S. my 91 Civic's OEM sensor is made by Nippon Denso, now > called IIRC just Denso. ND *IS* Denso now! http://www.denso.co.jp/en/ Wish they'd quit changing their name. SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >> c'mon yuse guys, need some experience with these parts > (crap/not crap) [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > the rotor. The cost of Honda OEM pads (around $40 online for > my 91 Civic) is low enough that I think they're worth it. rotors are cheap :) lifetime brake pads are cheaper! im still running the OEM pads (51k miles) on my 98 civic hatch. dunno what ill go with when its time. been using the lifetime pads on the girlfriends tacoma. she gets about 30k miles out of em, which is bout average for HER style of driving, and that its a RWD truck w/ A/T. they seem a little noisier, and make that "grunch" sound easier when slipping the brake at a light. lots of brake dust, but her OEM pads were kinda dusty too. last time i changed em, her brakes were making noise. after taking the wheels off and pads out they still had some meat on em. called autozone, they said theyd swap em out regardless. had the receipt, but all they needed to look up her info was her phone #. it was a nice feeling getting a set of new brake pads handed to us. they kept the box for the old ones, of course. but yeah... OEM are a bit better. over the course of 300k miles, its $400 for OEM vs. $20 for aftermarket. doesnt factor in the cost of rotors, and if the OEM only lasted 30k and these still have some meat after 30k, then im guessing theyre a harder compound. but after 30k, the OEM ones were cracked and worn down to the backing plate. > Elle wrote: > >> c'mon yuse guys, need some experience with these parts [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > rotors are cheap :) lifetime brake pads are cheaper! im still running > the OEM pads (51k miles) on my 98 civic hatch. That's right, rub it in. :-) > dunno what ill go with > when its time. > > been using the lifetime pads on the girlfriends tacoma. she gets about > 30k miles out of em, which is bout average for HER style of driving, and > that its a RWD truck w/ A/T. Ha ha. :-) > they seem a little noisier, and make that "grunch" sound easier when > slipping the brake at a light. lots of brake dust, but her OEM pads were [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > over the course of 300k miles, its $400 for OEM vs. $20 for aftermarket. Oh, I get it... My 91 Civic's original, OEM pads were gone after two years, 43k miles. I hear you about the rotors. We had this discussion with Steve H. and others not too long ago. I checked then at the online parts sites and saw that OEM rotors were expensive but aftermarkets were not, and a few people have since said aftermarket rotors are just fine. So go ahead and take a cut on an old rotor; t'ain't nothing to replace them. That was ultimately my feeling after the whole thread, anyway. 'Course, I'm thinkin' my 91 Civics rotors are going to the grave with it, given the way I drive (lotta braking with the manual transmission and engine). I know some here do not approve. I paid $42 for "lifetime warranty" Raybestos pads in 2002. Still have them. I don't think that means much. I would have paid about the same for Honda OEMs then, but maybe they wouldn't have lasted as long. > doesnt factor in the cost of rotors, and if the OEM only lasted 30k and > these still have some meat after 30k, then im guessing theyre a harder > compound. > > but after 30k, the OEM ones were cracked and worn down to the backing > plate. I reckon next brake pad change, and another 50k miles or so, I'll have more to say, as I do plan to go OEM then. My Civic's rotor thickness is still plenty in spec, after 173k miles. The other rotor specs (evenness, runout, scoring) are off or I'm sure a bit off. >rotors are cheap :) lifetime brake pads are cheaper! im still running >the OEM pads (51k miles) on my 98 civic hatch. dunno what ill go with >when its time. Rotors can be had cheap. What you need to watch out for is that on some Honda/Acura cars they installed the rotor behind the hub. This means that a what should be a simple 1/2 hour rotor swap turns into a 1.5 hour rotor swap. That assumes you can undo the axle bolt easiley. If your car has this stupid design, I would stick with the softer pads that don't eat through the rotors as quickly. ------------ Alex > c'mon yuse guys, need some experience with these parts (crap/not crap) > > from these parts what do you recommend as higher quality part or maybe > what to stay away from or maybe something not listed ? > > Front/Rear Rotors :: Honda, Brembo, Winhere, PBR, Mountain The cheaper the rotors, the worse the steel. You pays your money and you takes your chances. The cheap Chinese sh.t is the worst. I've seen big potholes flaked off the friction surfaces of one year-old rotors. Makes the most horrendous vibration. Brembo is supposed to be good. Never used them, though. > Brake pads :: Honda, The Honda-branded ones are probably Sumitomo (it will say on the back). Honda also uses Akebono and Nissin depending on the application. Nissin is now owned by Ferodo. > Nisin Prem, If you're referring to NISSIN, Nissin is an OEM to Honda. It's possible the "premium" pads you list are a similar composition to OEM. > Akebono, At least some Accord calipers are Akebono. > Nisin Silver, If it were me, I'd go with Nissin and get the most expensive ones, guessing they're probably closest to OEM. SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >>c'mon yuse guys, need some experience with these parts (crap/not crap) >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > The cheaper the rotors, the worse the steel. You pays your money and you > takes your chances. Not to nitpick too much, but aren't rotors made of cast iron? > The cheap Chinese sh.t is the worst. I've seen big potholes flaked off the > friction surfaces of one year-old rotors. Makes the most horrendous [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > If it were me, I'd go with Nissin and get the most expensive ones, guessing > they're probably closest to OEM. >>> c'mon yuse guys, need some experience with these parts (crap/not crap) >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Not to nitpick too much, but aren't rotors made of cast iron? there are more different kinds of "cast iron" than you can shake a stick at. add to that the differences in casting quality, machining quality, material quality, heat treatment quality, etc., and suddenly, yes, you pays your money and you takes your chances. >> The cheap Chinese sh.t is the worst. I've seen big potholes flaked off >> the friction surfaces of one year-old rotors. Makes the most [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> If it were me, I'd go with Nissin and get the most expensive ones, >> guessing they're probably closest to OEM. >> The cheaper the rotors, the worse the steel. You pays your money and >> you takes your chances. > > Not to nitpick too much, but aren't rotors made of cast iron? I don't know how to tell the difference between cast iron and cast steel. Any tips? SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I don't know how to tell the difference between cast iron and cast steel. > Any tips? ugh, that's hard except for one big thing - there's not much "cast steel" about compared to cast iron. usually, the word "steel" is reserved for low carbon iron/carbon alloy, with other stuff thrown in for various reasons, and which has been worked, like rod or sheet or strip & so on. but there are cast steels, and they're usually used for complex shapes as an alternative to machining and where cost is less of a factor. cast iron is high carbon [lower melting point, castability, etc.] and used where CHEAP is the order of the day. but there's no easy differentiator unless you have a microscope - you need to know what you're looking for and know the component's application. > ugh, that's hard except for one big thing - there's not much "cast > steel" about compared to cast iron. usually, the word "steel" is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > complex shapes as an alternative to machining and where cost is less of > a factor. so then whats "pot metal"? i know its cheap, and its cast. >> ugh, that's hard except for one big thing - there's not much "cast >> steel" about compared to cast iron. usually, the word "steel" is [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > so then whats "pot metal"? i know its cheap, and its cast. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pot+metal what's the application? >>> ugh, that's hard except for one big thing - there's not much "cast >>> steel" about compared to cast iron. usually, the word "steel" is [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > what's the application? Honda brake discs. :) SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ I guess no one has answered the basic question yet?? In my experience using Brembo rotors on my Honda, two SAABs, my son's Mitsubishi, and our Volvo, I would say "yes", Brembo makes good rotors. The finish is excellent and I've not had any problems with any of the cars that I've installed Brembo rotors. I usually buy all of my Brembo parts from one of the various internet sources, such as www.thepartsbin.com. Decent prices, and excellent delivery. > I guess no one has answered the basic question yet?? Maybe no one knows. > In my experience > using Brembo rotors on my Honda, two SAABs, my son's Mitsubishi, and our > Volvo, I would say "yes", Brembo makes good rotors. The finish is > excellent and I've not had any problems with any of the cars that I've > installed Brembo rotors. Well there y'go. You just answered the question for the OP. Here's your Kewpie doll. SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ for my accord i went with bremo rotors with slots, drilled holes and carbon metallic brand brake pads and i am soooooooo happy just be gentle the first 200 miles let them breakin correctly > from these parts what do you recommend as higher quality part or maybe what > to stay away from maybe something not listed ? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > TIA > robb > from these parts what do you recommend as higher quality part or maybe what > to stay away from maybe something not listed ? > > Front/Rear Rotors :: Honda, Brembo, Winhere, PBR, Mountain I've used Brembo rotors on many vehciles with excellent results. In fact, I replace the factor warp-masters on my '03 Accord with Brembos and have been enjoying excellent braking ever since. > Brake pads :: Honda, Nisin Prem, Akebono, Nisin Silver, PBR, NPN, Bendix Of those I have only tried PBRs and they were fine. Generally I install top of the line Raybestos or Wagner pads when I do brake jobs on my cars. Every company makes several grades of pads these days. Get one of the top end pads from any major maker and you are probably ok. > HO2S :: Honda, NTK, Denso, Bosch, Walker I would use the Honda, NTK or Densos myself. For some reason my luck with Bosch parts has been very hit-and-miss. Never tried Walker. John great, thanks for advice probably go Brembo + nisin Premium + Denso can't find ho2s NTK for less than 260 denso about 70 > > from these parts what do you recommend as higher quality part or maybe what > > to stay away from maybe something not listed ? [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > John |
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