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Should I let dealer swap bumpers on new Accord?

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Patrick Maloney - 21 Feb 2006 00:22 GMT
I'm looking at a 2006 Accord Sedan SE which is Royal Blue Pearl.  I love
the car.  It drives great.

But, the rear bumper is scratch on the right rear.  They tried to buff it
out and, of course it's no suprise that, they actually made it worse.  The
scratches are mostly gone, but paint is now 'foggy'.

They have offered to swap rear bumpers with an EX V6 to deal with the
issue.  I said no, thinking that the entire car was painted as a whole and,
while the colors might be named the same, there might be some slight
difference causing it to stand out.

This doesn't even address the damage they would probably cause just doing
the swap.

Anybody think I should let them do the swap?  I really do like the car.

PJ

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Brian Smith - 21 Feb 2006 01:10 GMT
> I'm looking at a 2006 Accord Sedan SE which is Royal Blue Pearl.  I love
> the car.  It drives great.
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> Anybody think I should let them do the swap?  I really do like the car.

Let them do the swap and then decide if you're happy with how the colours
match up between the body panels.

Brian
Patrick Maloney - 21 Feb 2006 01:35 GMT
> Let them do the swap and then decide if you're happy with how the
> colours match up between the body panels.

Yeah, I'm sort of leaning that way...

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L Alpert - 24 Feb 2006 00:35 GMT
>> I'm looking at a 2006 Accord Sedan SE which is Royal Blue Pearl.  I love
>> the car.  It drives great.
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>
> Brian

Have them line up both cars together side by side (very close) and look them
over together.
Jan - 21 Feb 2006 02:09 GMT
> I'm looking at a 2006 Accord Sedan SE which is Royal Blue Pearl.  I love
> the car.  It drives great.
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>
> PJ

Had the same thing with my 01 Sunfire and after they swapped the bumper
I couldn't see any difference. I would let them do it and then take a
look to see if you can spot any difference in colour.
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chip - 21 Feb 2006 04:00 GMT
>> I'm looking at a 2006 Accord Sedan SE which is Royal Blue Pearl.  I love
>> the car.  It drives great.
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>I couldn't see any difference. I would let them do it and then take a
>look to see if you can spot any difference in colour.

let them swap it and then notice the VIN sticker on the bumper doesn't
match the car!!     Now does it smell funny????
      Honda puts vin stickers on the rear bumpers inside the trunk
lip.

                        Chip
Nobody - 21 Feb 2006 04:25 GMT
> let them swap it and then notice the VIN sticker on the bumper doesn't
> match the car!!     Now does it smell funny????
>        Honda puts vin stickers on the rear bumpers inside the trunk
> lip.

That's a good point...forgot about that.
trestonklease@yahoo.com - 21 Feb 2006 04:51 GMT
> I'm looking at a 2006 Accord Sedan SE which is Royal Blue Pearl.  I love
> the car.  It drives great.
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>
> Anybody think I should let them do the swap?  I really do like the car.

If they do the swap, are you obligated to buy? I'd ask for the swap on
the condition you can back out, if they are that confident in their
work, they should agree.

OTOH, you may go through the bumper swap only to have some moron bump
you in the mall parking lot. ;)
Elmo P. Shagnasty - 21 Feb 2006 06:54 GMT
> I'm looking at a 2006 Accord Sedan SE which is Royal Blue Pearl.  I love
> the car.  It drives great.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> while the colors might be named the same, there might be some slight
> difference causing it to stand out.

There's no problem with doing this.

As an alternative, you could have them refinish the bumper cover.  
That's very inexpensive, and you won't know the difference.  I'm amazed
at what they can do with bumper covers.  I had one that was seriously
screwed up in a minor accident, and it came back looking better than
ever--as a repair, not a replacement.

But, of course, my car was a few years old at the time.  Why would you
accept anything like this for a new car?  You pay a premium for a new
car over a used one; why would you buy anything less than EXACTLY what
you're looking for?

Accepting this kind of a deal is good only for the dealer, not for the
buyer. He wants to move the car.  Why should you take it?

This is part of negotiating.  What do you get out of taking this car
with a swapped or repaired bumper cover?

If the answer is "I get the car I want NOW", then you're exactly the
sucker the dealer likes dealing with.  You let emotion get in the way of
a business deal--which means you lose, every time.

There's no need to get emotional about a silly car.  You know the same
car with zero damage is available somewhere else, or will be available
at this dealer.  Why would you spend that kind of money to fulfill a
very temporary emotional satisfaction?

Delayed gratification is just fine.  If the world doesn't offer what you
want when you want it, go with the flow.  It's not like they're not
selling Accords left and right.  It's not like this is some antique
Ferrari you're buying off of Ebay and you won't ever be able to find one
like it again.  It's a new Accord, fer chrissakes.
murray - 21 Feb 2006 11:29 GMT
If you are paying for a new car it seems unfair to offer one that had any
type of body damage.
I had the same experience with a new Saturn SL2 where they damaged the front
bumper in transit (so they said) and offered me a brand new bumper.
I took their offer but found later that they had poorly mounted the new
bumper and, when I parked with the bumper barely rubbing the parking island,
the new bumper just came apart when I backed out.
When I brought the car back and demanded that they refund my money as they
promised within 30 days, they said:
Since I had incurred body damage the car was no longer new and the 30 day
return policy was voided. So ask for another car fresh from the production
line or go somewhere else.

> I'm looking at a 2006 Accord Sedan SE which is Royal Blue Pearl.  I love
> the car.  It drives great.
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>
> PJ
Brian Smith - 21 Feb 2006 12:20 GMT
> If you are paying for a new car it seems unfair to offer one that had any
> type of body damage.
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> Since I had incurred body damage the car was no longer new and the 30 day
> return policy was voided.

Let me get this straight. YOU did damage to the car and YOU expected the
dealership to repair YOUR damage for free. Am I correct in the way I read
what you are saying?
w9cw@yahoo.com - 21 Feb 2006 18:15 GMT
Take a step-back, and a deep breath, and walk away from the deal.
Either wait for another one just like it from the same dealer, or find
one at another dealer.  First of all, show patience in your purchase of
the new Accord, or you will be forever sorry that you went ahead with
the purchase.  Don't EVER fall in love with a particular sample of a
new car; just like women, there are plenty of them out there!
murray - 22 Feb 2006 00:18 GMT
Brian,
Perhaps you don't understand.
The bumper is supposed to sustain damage in excess of 5 mph without falling
apart. What I did was back up at perhaps at almost 0 mph with the bottom of
the bumper barely rubbing against a parking island (you could hardly hear
it).
Do you really think that the whole bumper should come apart under these
conditions?
I'm 73 years old and have owned about 12 different cars during that time and
none of them ever lost a bumper.
And, I might add that I've been a lot harder on those cars than the Saturn.

> > If you are paying for a new car it seems unfair to offer one that had any
> > type of body damage.
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> dealership to repair YOUR damage for free. Am I correct in the way I read
> what you are saying?
Brian Smith - 22 Feb 2006 00:24 GMT
> Brian,
> Perhaps you don't understand.
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> And, I might add that I've been a lot harder on those cars than the
> Saturn.

Murray,
Now that you've given me (and the rest of us here <g>) more details, what
you said makes more sense about the problem with the bumper.

Brian
SoCalMike - 25 Feb 2006 10:59 GMT
>> If you are paying for a new car it seems unfair to offer one that had any
>> type of body damage.
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> dealership to repair YOUR damage for free. Am I correct in the way I read
> what you are saying?

he never should have taken the damaged car in the first place?
G-Man - 21 Feb 2006 14:19 GMT
I would rather have the swap than a repainted bumper.  The question is how
good are they swapping it without damaging the good one.

I'd get a little off the price if I was taking a car like this.  Maybe throw
in a few accessories or service?

G-Man

> I'm looking at a 2006 Accord Sedan SE which is Royal Blue Pearl.  I love
> the car.  It drives great.
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>
> PJ
Larry J. - 21 Feb 2006 16:01 GMT
Waiving the right to remain silent, Patrick Maloney
<patXXrick_malXXoney@hotmail.com> said:

> They have offered to swap rear bumpers with an EX V6 to deal
> with the issue.  I said no, thinking that the entire car was
> painted as a whole and, while the colors might be named the
> same, there might be some slight difference causing it to stand
> out.

If they are plastic bumpers, then they are probably not painted at
the same time as the body.  Different paint formulations, IIRC.

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mopa - 21 Feb 2006 18:00 GMT
I know you love the car, and your not asking me for your advice, just
keep in mind that within a few months, your have a lot more then just a
few scratches on your bumper, rear and front. No car can stay in
pervert condition, well, unless you never drive it.
Dave Kelsen - 22 Feb 2006 00:40 GMT
On 2/21/2006 12:00 PM mopa spake these words of knowledge:

> I know you love the car, and your not asking me for your advice, just
> keep in mind that within a few months, your have a lot more then just a
> few scratches on your bumper, rear and front. No car can stay in
> pervert condition, well, unless you never drive it.

Hmm.  There's a slip of the ol' Freudian tongue...

RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
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mopa - 22 Feb 2006 18:38 GMT
Thanks Dave, I'll keep that in mind.

Well its true, I have met quite a few people who buy a new car, or get
a used car repainted, and only a few months or so, there are a few
scratches. I know my car too, but lets face it, everyones car is going
to get a few scratches. It's only a piece of material.
Dave Kelsen - 22 Feb 2006 23:58 GMT
On 2/22/2006 12:38 PM mopa spake these words of knowledge:

> Thanks Dave, I'll keep that in mind.
>
> Well its true, I have met quite a few people who buy a new car, or get
> a used car repainted, and only a few months or so, there are a few
> scratches. I know my car too, but lets face it, everyones car is going
> to get a few scratches. It's only a piece of material.

Mopa, I can't tell from your response if you knew or not, but what I was
referring to was the fact that in your original post, you said, "...No
car can stay in _*pervert*_ condition, well, unless you never drive it."

RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
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Patrick Maloney - 25 Feb 2006 06:18 GMT
> Waiving the right to remain silent, Patrick Maloney
> <patXXrick_malXXoney@hotmail.com> said:
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> If they are plastic bumpers, then they are probably not painted at
> the same time as the body.  Different paint formulations, IIRC.

Once I mentioned the VIN sticker issue, it was off the table.  Car was sold
a few days ago anyway.

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Elmo P. Shagnasty - 25 Feb 2006 10:06 GMT
> Once I mentioned the VIN sticker issue, it was off the table.

????  I don't remember you mentioning a VIN sticker issue.  ??
Nobody - 25 Feb 2006 15:05 GMT
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in news:elmop-
A91D8F.05060625022006@nntp1.usenetserver.com:

>> Once I mentioned the VIN sticker issue, it was off the table.
>
> ????  I don't remember you mentioning a VIN sticker issue.  ??

I didn't here, but someone else mentioned it in this thread, so I pointed
it out to the dealer.
Siskuwihane@gmail.com - 25 Feb 2006 15:08 GMT
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in news:elmop-
> A91D8F.05060625022006@nntp1.usenetserver.com:
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> I didn't here, but someone else mentioned it in this thread, so I pointed
> it out to the dealer.

You also pointed out that Patrick Maloney in now "Nobody".
Nobody - 28 Feb 2006 16:31 GMT
>> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in news:elmop-
>> A91D8F.05060625022006@nntp1.usenetserver.com:
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>
> You also pointed out that Patrick Maloney in now "Nobody".

Yup, you got me.  Good job.
chip - 01 Mar 2006 03:31 GMT
>>> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in news:elmop-
>>> A91D8F.05060625022006@nntp1.usenetserver.com:
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>
>Yup, you got me.  Good job.

I pointed out the VIN sticker issue. Nobody ever thinks that far
ahead.
                             Chip
 
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