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Car Forum / Honda Cars / March 2006Alternative fuels
Honda does not seem to recommend anywhere the use of ethanol. Can Honda reset it's computers etc. to adapt to ethanol? Or can we just use ethanol in a Honda? Don W. > Honda does not seem to recommend anywhere the use of ethanol. Can Honda > reset it's computers etc. to adapt to ethanol? > Or can we just use ethanol in a Honda? > > Don W. Most modern vehicles have no trouble with up to 10% or so ethanol in the fuel. Flex-fuel vehicles are required if you want to run 85% ethanol. I have not seen Honda release any flex-fuel vehicles in the US. > Honda does not seem to recommend anywhere the use of ethanol. Can Honda > reset it's computers etc. to adapt to ethanol? > Or can we just use ethanol in a Honda? > > Don W. why do you want to run ethanol? it's only got about half the calorific value of regular gas, so instead of getting say 30mpg, you get roughly 15mpg. is ethanol fuel half the price to make up for that? BULL sh.t been running ethanol in my 01 CR-V since new no difference in mpg than unleaded. Tom >> Honda does not seem to recommend anywhere the use of ethanol. Can Honda >> reset it's computers etc. to adapt to ethanol? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > value of regular gas, so instead of getting say 30mpg, you get roughly > 15mpg. is ethanol fuel half the price to make up for that? > BULL sh.t been running ethanol in my 01 CR-V since new no difference in mpg > than unleaded. > > Tom regular gas = 42.7MJ/kg ethanol = 26.8MJ/kg denial is not argument. opinion is not fact. >>>Honda does not seem to recommend anywhere the use of ethanol. Can Honda >>>reset it's computers etc. to adapt to ethanol? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>value of regular gas, so instead of getting say 30mpg, you get roughly >>15mpg. is ethanol fuel half the price to make up for that? > ... been running ethanol in my 01 CR-V since new no difference in mpg than > unleaded. > > Tom Is that straight ethanol or is that E85? And did you get a "check engine" light as it made the adjustment (many cars do)? Mike >> ... been running ethanol in my 01 CR-V since new no difference in mpg >> than unleaded. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Is that straight ethanol or is that E85? And did you get a "check > engine" light as it made the adjustment (many cars do)? Was ANY North American market '01 Honda able to handle E85? I don't think so. I'll bet the OP's CR-V was built - like all other NA Hondas - for up to 10% ethanol, and that's what he's using.  SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ Not sure where you get that stat from Jim but I switched to a retailer with 10% ethanol 2 years ago and I can still get 650KM on a tank (with 1/8 tank left) from my 2000 4cyl accord SE. Ethanol didn't make anything worse for me. > why do you want to run ethanol? it's only got about half the calorific > value of regular gas, so instead of getting say 30mpg, you get roughly > 15mpg. is ethanol fuel half the price to make up for that? > Honda does not seem to recommend anywhere the use of ethanol. Can Honda > reset it's computers etc. to adapt to ethanol? > Or can we just use ethanol in a Honda? The Hondas I've seen typically allow up to 10% ethanol or 15% MTBE. The issue as I'm aware of it has to do with the polymers in the fuel system. Honda could easily switch plastics and reprogram its sensors and ECMs to handle the characteristics of ethanol, but there's not much point in undergoing the expense. Demand for ethanol is zero unless the government drives it via social- engineering tax policy. Ethanol is expensive and inefficient. SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > Demand for ethanol is zero unless the government drives it via social- > engineering tax policy. Ethanol is expensive and inefficient. I guess we'll see soon enough. Lots of ethanol plants are coming on line in the US - we are just short of 100 the last I heard. It is still expensive and inefficient, but Paul Harvey (a farm products partisan) reports the demand for feedstock has already raised the price of corn. Theoretically, bacteriological converters will allow cellulose to be used for making ethanol, but until then we are burning food... always a shaky idea. Mike >> Demand for ethanol is zero unless the government drives it via >> social- engineering tax policy. Ethanol is expensive and inefficient. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > cellulose to be used for making ethanol, but until then we are burning > food... always a shaky idea. And we'll never grow enough to satisfy automotive demand. Not unless we plow all those forests back under. The only reason there are more forests now in North America than there were in 1920 is that we're not feeding all those work animals any more. Tens of millions of acres were under the plow prior to 1920 solely to feed horses and oxen. SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
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