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Car Forum / Honda Cars / June 2006Where is my oil disappearing to?
My 2001 Odyssey is consuming oil at what I think is an alarming rate. A couple months ago the oil light came on - I immediately shut the vehicle off and ended up adding 3 quarts of oil. I checked it again the other day and had to add half a quart. This engine only has 41K miles. It does not put out blue smoke; there are no oil spots in our garage. Don't tell me that this can possibly be normal consumption??? Where could this oil be going? Thanks, Be Have you thoroughly inspected the exterior of the engine? Especially right beneath the valve cover and distributor? > My 2001 Odyssey is consuming oil at what I think is an > alarming rate. A [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > possibly be normal > consumption??? Where could this oil be going? Oops--Is the 2001 Odyssey distributor-less? If so, of course strike that second part below. > Have you thoroughly inspected the exterior of the engine? > Especially right beneath the valve cover and distributor? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> possibly be normal >> consumption??? Where could this oil be going? I would suggest a visit to the dealer, get an estimate, and then call Honda Customer Service. Honda has a tremendous reputation for quality and I would see what they would consider doing on your behalf. Be polite, but firm about this issue. Has the van ever overheated and are you the original owner? Good luck. If you think Honda has a tremendous reputation for quality you haven't been keeping up on the Odyssey, especially the 99-01 models. Other than transmission failures, EGR blockage, motor mount failure, Catalytic converter failure and a few others the quality stinks. It wasn't stated how many miles for the oil consumption but it is going to take some diagnosis to determine what is causing it. A little more than my crystal ball can determine...... >I would suggest a visit to the dealer, get an estimate, and then call Honda > Customer Service. Honda has a tremendous reputation for quality and I > would see what they would consider doing on your behalf. Be polite, but > firm about this issue. Has the van ever overheated and are you the > original owner? Good luck. Woody, I stand behind my comment about Honda Quality. Yes they do have transmission failures, but did Honda extend the warranty? If the problem is a Honda design or maufacturing problem, I bet they will assist the customer. I have yet to see an Ody in the junk yard and Consumer Reports rates the Odyssey as a "CR Good Bets" on page 80 of its 2006 Annual Auto Issue. The Ody is not perfect but you could do a lot worse. In article <a41422c30183a1ba9b462ceaaac2b698@localhost.talkaboutautos.com>, > Woody, I stand behind my comment about Honda Quality. Yes they do have > transmission failures, but did Honda extend the warranty? If the problem > is a Honda design or maufacturing problem, I bet they will assist the > customer. I have yet to see an Ody in the junk yard and Consumer Reports > rates the Odyssey as a "CR Good Bets" on page 80 of its 2006 Annual Auto > Issue. The Ody is not perfect but you could do a lot worse. All car companies have troubles related to some models. The question is related to how the car companies handle these issues. Based upon my experiece with a Dodge Ram 50 pickup truck and 2 Honda Accords--it's my opinion that Honda does a much better job than the Chrysler Inc. in relation to how they handled problems that I have had. Of course, Chrysler has now been taken over by Mercedes so they may now be doing a much better job dealing with customer complaints. Jason  SignatureNEWSGROUP SUBSCRIBERS MOTTO We respect those subscribers that ask for advice or provide advice. We do NOT respect the subscribers that enjoy criticizing people. > If you think Honda has a tremendous reputation for quality you haven't been > keeping up on the Odyssey, especially the 99-01 models. Other than > transmission failures, EGR blockage, motor mount failure, Catalytic > converter failure and a few others the quality stinks. Obviously you haven't been keeping up on reality. At least Honda has acknowledged these problems and have been working to fix them. Do you expect the big 3 to do the same? Of course not! Unlike the big 3, Honda remains committed to quality. The van has never overheated; I am the original owner; I also have an extended warranty. Be On 4/23/06 9:03 AM, in article 8b5941a40f570176841111c214475526@localhost.talkaboutautos.com, "duckbill" <ltcauth13@nospam.cs.com> wrote: > I would suggest a visit to the dealer, get an estimate, and then call Honda > Customer Service. Honda has a tremendous reputation for quality and I > would see what they would consider doing on your behalf. Be polite, but > firm about this issue. Has the van ever overheated and are you the > original owner? Good luck. Another thought.....are you sure the right amount of oil was put in at your last oil change? Also, sometimes a shop or person could accidently leave the old oil filter gasket on the engine and get a massive leak there. I know of shops/people that have done all of these things. I would be getting a new oil filter to be in the safe side. How often were you checking your oil prior to the oil light? There are souls out there that only check oil when the light lights. > My 2001 Odyssey is consuming oil at what I think is an alarming rate. A > couple months ago the oil light came on - I immediately shut the vehicle [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Thanks, > Be I hate to suggest this, but it could be a bad ring. A few years ago we were seeing several posts of low-mileage Hondas suddenly consuming quarts of oil a month. Most remained a mystery, but one sufferer under warranty persisted and the dealer tore down the engine to find a broken ring in one cylinder. I don't know if it showed up on a compression check, or if it was a compression ring or oil control ring. I don't think I've ever heard of broken oil control rings, though. I believe the catalytic converters prevent the exhaust from smoking even with significant oil burning. Mike >>My 2001 Odyssey is consuming oil at what I think is an alarming rate. A >>couple months ago the oil light came on - I immediately shut the vehicle [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Mike i second that. broken rings a good candidate. > My 2001 Odyssey is consuming oil at what I think is an alarming rate. A > couple months ago the oil light came on - I immediately shut the vehicle off [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Thanks, > Be ------------------------------------ Change your PCV with a HONDA original part, and check your oil as often as the manual says. 'Curly' So, a "couple of months ago" you ran your engine with zero oil pressure (the light came on) for at best only a few seconds. You dumped in 3 quarts of oil, and then several months later decided to give it a check (wow amazing - you must be a real maintenance freak). How many miles do you drive in "a couple of months"? You should change the oil and filter now with a quality oil of the weight specified by Honda. Then record your odometer reading and check the oil once a week. You need to know how many miles it takes to use a half a quart, not how long. > My 2001 Odyssey is consuming oil at what I think is an alarming rate. A > couple months ago the oil light came on - I immediately shut the vehicle off [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Thanks, > Be How much do I drive in a couple months? Well, here's the math. The car is one-owner and has been mine for 58 months. It has 41000 miles. That's a shade less than 707 miles per month.... Not an amount that should scare me into checking it weekly, at least not (in my opinion) when a car with Honda's good reputation behind it has less miles on it than some people drive in 18 months. Be On 4/23/06 1:49 PM, in article I_P2g.60$oz4.27@fe10.lga, "Al" <XnospamX@optonline.net> wrote: > So, a "couple of months ago" you ran your engine with zero oil pressure > (the light came on) for at best only a few seconds. You dumped in 3 [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> Thanks, >> Be >How much do I drive in a couple months? Well, here's the math. The car is >one-owner and has been mine for 58 months. It has 41000 miles. That's a >shade less than 707 miles per month.... Not an amount that should scare me >into checking it weekly, at least not (in my opinion) when a car with >Honda's good reputation behind it has less miles on it than some people >drive in 18 months. So it sounds like it is consuming a quart every 2800 miles. Probably more than average but not an alarming amount. You are lucky (and wise to have stopped driving as soon as the light came on.) It is common that cars which didn't really have an oil consumption problem before they got too low, do have a problem afterwards. Either it wasn't properly filled at the previous oil change, or you drove it about 8400 miles after an oil change without checking it. You don't have to check it every week, but you do have to check it periodically. Once a month is good if you aren't having problems. > How much do I drive in a couple months? Well, here's the math. The car is > one-owner and has been mine for 58 months. It has 41000 miles. That's a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Be Be, It's my guess that the the rings are starting to wear. A compression check during the next scheduled oil change service should reveal any serious problems related to the rings. You may also want to have a tune-up in case the valves, timing, etc need to be adjusted. If you have a oil change and the oil becomes black within two weeks--that could be a sign of a bad head gasket. I advise you to check the oil about once a week in order to check the level and the color of the oil. Keep a record of the results. Jason SignatureNEWSGROUP SUBSCRIBERS MOTTO We respect those subscribers that ask for advice or provide advice. We do NOT respect the subscribers that enjoy criticizing people. On 4/24/06 12:26 PM, in article jason-2404061026550001@66-52-22-63.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net, "Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote: >> How much do I drive in a couple months? Well, here's the math. The car is >> one-owner and has been mine for 58 months. It has 41000 miles. That's a [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > the level and the color of the oil. Keep a record of the results. > Jason I checked the oil again Saturday and had to add another quart to bring it to full. I took note of the mileage and will be ready with a hard number of miles driven when I add the next quart. I think the advice here has been valuable and suspect the rings problem now due to the input given. I'll let you all know how this turns out. Thanks! Be > On 4/24/06 12:26 PM, in article > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Thanks! > Be Yup - that's what it is sounding like. Best of luck to you. Mike On 4/24/06 12:26 PM, in article jason-2404061026550001@66-52-22-63.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net, "Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote: >> How much do I drive in a couple months? Well, here's the math. The car is >> one-owner and has been mine for 58 months. It has 41000 miles. That's a [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > the level and the color of the oil. Keep a record of the results. > Jason I checked the oil again Saturday and had to add another quart to bring it to full. I took note of the mileage and will be ready with a hard number of miles driven when I add the next quart. I think the advice here has been valuable and suspect the rings problem now due to the input given. I'll let you all know how this turns out. Thanks! Be =============================== OK - here is what I found. I filled the oil to full and took an odometer reading. Some three weeks [667 miles] later, I needed to add 3/4 of a quart to bring it back to full again. You could extrapolate that out to say that for every 900 miles a quart is being consumed. Be >On 4/24/06 12:26 PM, in article >jason-2404061026550001@66-52-22-63.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net, "Jason" [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > >Be That's a problem. File a warranty claim. On 5/28/06 5:03 PM, in article 8g7k72927bc1unje5cb8oe4hvp79qe1oja@4ax.com, >> On 4/24/06 12:26 PM, in article >> jason-2404061026550001@66-52-22-63.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net, "Jason" [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > That's a problem. File a warranty claim. Took it to the Honda dealer today. The service rep claims that what I am experiencing is 'normal' oil consumption. He cites some technical bulletin written in 1988 that gives validity to the notion that a quart of oil lost every 1000 miles is normal. I just spoke to Honda at their toll-free customer service number and they are also claiming that this is their spec. They are not willing to open the engine unless I foot the bill. What to do now? My inclination is to let an authorized Honda service center do an oil change and not add any oil for the next 3500 miles, letting the engine burn up. I only hope that it doesn't choose to fail when I'm in it with the family on a tall highway bridge. My warranty doesn't obligate me to top it off between oil changes. Be My warranty doesn't obligate me to top it off between oil changes. -------------------------------- Hmmmmmmm. Careful . . . . Even lawyers can read the Owner's Manual. 'Curly' > Took it to the Honda dealer today. The service rep claims that what I am > experiencing is 'normal' oil consumption. He cites some technical bulletin [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > when I'm in it with the family on a tall highway bridge. My warranty > doesn't obligate me to top it off between oil changes. That's funny. My '88 Civic with 244,800 miles on it uses less than 0.25 quarts in 3000 miles. Moreover, a service bulletin written in 1988 is not going to be applicable to a newer car. How could they have known what problems a 2005 model, for example, was going to have in 1988?!?!? You may need to get someone to be your advocate and deal with Honda. I would take your car to a well respected independent Honda shop in your area and have them change the oil and then document the consumption (and absence of leaks). Then have them deal with Honda for you if they are willing, e.g., you've been or will be a good customer of that particular shop. Moreover, sometimes it's best to skip the dealer and go direct to Honda's customer relations. http://automobiles.honda.com/info/customer_relations.asp?bhjs=0 Eric On 5/31/06 2:02 AM, in article 447D3F95.8F55E481@spam.now, "Eric" <say.no@spam.now> wrote: >> Took it to the Honda dealer today. The service rep claims that what I am >> experiencing is 'normal' oil consumption. He cites some technical bulletin [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Eric That toll free number is what I called yesterday (see above) and where I got the party line on 1000 miles / per quart being OK to lose. Be >On 5/28/06 5:03 PM, in article 8g7k72927bc1unje5cb8oe4hvp79qe1oja@4ax.com, > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] >customer service number and they are also claiming that this is their spec. >They are not willing to open the engine unless I foot the bill. But your consumption exceeds the "normal" rate. >What to do now? My inclination is to let an authorized Honda service center >do an oil change and not add any oil for the next 3500 miles, letting the >engine burn up. I only hope that it doesn't choose to fail when I'm in it >with the family on a tall highway bridge. My warranty doesn't obligate me to >top it off between oil changes. Actually, I'm pretty sure it does. You are required to properly maintain the vehicle. Checking and adding oil is routine maintenance. Read your owners manual. Much better that you insist they document oil consumption by topping it off and having you drive it for 1000 miles. If it takes more than a quart to bring it back up to full, then your consumption exceeds the limits of normal and repair is needed. On 6/2/06 12:45 AM, in article qmjv72du37n95cqj8pm7g6h9idefkuo712@4ax.com, >> On 5/28/06 5:03 PM, in article 8g7k72927bc1unje5cb8oe4hvp79qe1oja@4ax.com, >> [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > a quart to bring it back up to full, then your consumption exceeds the > limits of normal and repair is needed. Well, that's what I did - I got them to do an oil change and documented the miles. One thing they found was that the washer on the oil drain plug was incorrect - a thin substitute for the thicker Honda part was in place. I guess one of the other oil change places I took the van to put the wrong one back on. I don't know if this could have had any role in the oil loss... Be > > Much better that you insist they document oil consumption by topping > > it off and having you drive it for 1000 miles. If it takes more than [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > wrong one back on. I don't know if this could have had any role in the > oil loss... Do you see oil drips where you park, e.g., garage, driveway, etc.? Eric On 6/3/06 1:36 AM, in article 44812DEE.6F4B9642@spam.now, "Eric" <say.no@spam.now> wrote: >>> Much better that you insist they document oil consumption by topping >>> it off and having you drive it for 1000 miles. If it takes more than [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Eric No drips anywhere. We have a new, clean garage floor (since 2005) that has not a drop upon it. Be >> Much better that you insist they document oil consumption by topping >> it off and having you drive it for 1000 miles. If it takes more than [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >guess one of the other oil change places I took the van to put the wrong one >back on. I don't know if this could have had any role in the oil loss... An incorrect washer might cause a leak problem but won't change oil consumption. you would have to be making a huge mess for a leak to cause measurable oil loss. Be aware that the correct washer is called a crush washer because it is crushed when installed and should be thinner when removed than before it was installed. That is why it should be replaced each time. If I understand correctly, the dealer has measured and acknowledged that your consumption is greater than 1 qt./1000 mi. Hopefully you have this documented in writing. If the dealer does acknowledge that the engine needs repair, insist on talking to the Honda rep. The 1000 mile standard is barely justifiable as it is. Even being near it should merit at least consideration for a warranty claim. If you are over it, even by just a little, they should fix it. On 6/3/06 10:04 AM, in article ne8382dqfnoql35i86mjbhdbkmd4amckh2@4ax.com, >>> Much better that you insist they document oil consumption by topping >>> it off and having you drive it for 1000 miles. If it takes more than [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > should merit at least consideration for a warranty claim. If you are > over it, even by just a little, they should fix it. The mileage calculation of 900 miles per quart was made by me, therefore it is not trusted. Be >On 6/3/06 10:04 AM, in article ne8382dqfnoql35i86mjbhdbkmd4amckh2@4ax.com, > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >Be Well, then they have to measure it. Ask them how they want to do that. In the mean time make sure they document that the customer has reported oil consumption greater than 1qt. per 1000 miles. >The 1000 mile standard is barely justifiable as it is. Can the car really meet modern clean air standards burning oil like that? My old Alfa Romeo required a quart every couple of fill-ups, but that was a design "feature" described in the manual. And we won't even talk about the 1960's two-cycle Saabs where you just poured the quart right into the gas tank! J. > My 2001 Odyssey is consuming oil at what I think is an alarming rate. A > couple months ago the oil light came on - I immediately shut the vehicle off [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Thanks, > Be Daughter's Civic, 55,000 miles and just out of warranty, had the same problem--oil didn't show up on the dip stick. Filled the oil to the full mark and within 250 mi it was below the dip stick again. Because it was so severe an oil loss, the Dealer got Honda's OK to look for the problem with only parts to be charged. Found some cracked carbon valve seals, replaced them and put things back together again. Same oil loss recurred. Honda authorized as complete an engine teardown as needed to find and resolve with no further $$$ charged. Tore the engine down and found some bad piston rings; replaced them all and the oil loss problem went away. So she basically ended up with a rebuilt engine *zero timed* for very little cost to her. Honda's response to the problem was excellent, obviously their concern and motivation was "How many more are there out there like this, is there something about 55,000 mi. in this engine that we've got to worry about and if so, what. She got the car new and was putting about 400-500 mi a week on it so it was probably one of the fleet leaders in mileage. MLD >> My 2001 Odyssey is consuming oil at what I think is an alarming rate. A >> couple months ago the oil light came on - I immediately shut the vehicle [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > a week on it so it was probably one of the fleet leaders in mileage. > MLD Do you know if a compression test had been done prior to teardown and if the rings were compression or oil control? I'd expect a dealer to do at least one compression test (that probably came out okay enough) and swallow hard a couple times before tearing an engine down. Mike > >> My 2001 Odyssey is consuming oil at what I think is an alarming rate. A > >> couple months ago the oil light came on - I immediately shut the vehicle [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Mike Don't know what the dealer did to troubleshoot--In fact, before they even started doing anything, they actually drained and refilled the oil and sent her on her way. After the 250 mi and no oil on the dip stick they became believers. Obviously, the cracked (broken) rings were not associated with compression, the dealer wasn't that bad. Honda responded as well as they did because 55,000 miles is relatively low for their engine and the need to know if this was "one of a kind" or a symptom of "what was to come" from that family. BTW, she ended up with over 200,000 miles before giving the car up. MLD > > "MLD" <MLD@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:ZmQ2g.4048$cc.137@trndny05... [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > car up. > MLD MLD, In most cases, if there is a defective ring--it can be detected by a compression check. I was surprised that the Honda mechanic did not conduct a compression check prior to a teardown of the engine. Perhaps the mechanic conducted a compression check and done the teardown of the engine as a direct result of the compression check test results. Jason SignatureNEWSGROUP SUBSCRIBERS MOTTO We respect those subscribers that ask for advice or provide advice. We do NOT respect the subscribers that enjoy criticizing people. >>>"MLD" <MLD@verizon.net> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 89 lines] > compression check. I was surprised that the Honda mechanic did not conduct > a compression check prior to a teardown of the engine. if they were an experienced professional, they'd know that a broken top ring makes the most difference to compression [and little difference to oil consumption], the second ring, much less to compression [and a reasonable difference to oil consumption], and the oil control rings, none at all to compression, [but a whole ship-load to oil consumption]. since oil loss is the the problem, and lack of compression apparently not, what conclusions do you draw here about the efficacy of a compression test here jason? hint: the professional mechanics' actions here should give you a clue. > Perhaps the > mechanic conducted a compression check and done the teardown of the engine > as a direct result of the compression check test results. dude, compression can vary quite a lot from cylinder to cylinder, and the engine still be perfectly serviceable with little oil consumption. i respectfully suggest you either get some training and experience under your belt OR you stick to topics you actually /do/ know about. thanks. > Jason > >>>"MLD" <MLD@verizon.net> wrote in message > >> [quoted text clipped - 108 lines] > i respectfully suggest you either get some training and experience under > your belt OR you stick to topics you actually /do/ know about. thanks. Uh, all ring sets contribute to compression AND oil control. As an example, a couple of years ago I inherited an early 1980's Mazda B2000 P/U with about 160K miles on the odometer that was running lousy along with oil control problems. The reason, three pistons had broken compression rings. In real life, cause and effect can vary widely vs. the published word... JT >>>>>"MLD" <MLD@verizon.net> wrote in message >>>> [quoted text clipped - 119 lines] > > JT uh, re-read my post. the extent of compression and oil consumpton effect varies by ring. > >>>>>"MLD" <MLD@verizon.net> wrote in message > >>>> [quoted text clipped - 122 lines] > uh, re-read my post. the extent of compression and oil consumpton > effect varies by ring. Uh, you clearly stated that a compression ring makes little difference as relates to oil control. In fact, any broken compression ring will substantially affect oil control. Additionally, broken oil or 2nd compression rings are rare since the malady is often caused by incorrect timing (or some other direct factor) that leads to detonation which is the chief culprit as to ring breakage. JT >>>>>>>"MLD" <MLD@verizon.net> wrote in message >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 125 lines] > Uh, you clearly stated that a compression ring makes little difference > as relates to oil control. there are 3 rings: top and middle compression, bottom oil control. re-read what i said. > In fact, any broken compression ring will > substantially affect oil control. out of the 3, the top ring has the least effect! > Additionally, broken oil or 2nd compression rings are rare since the > malady is often caused by incorrect timing (or some other direct factor) > that leads to detonation which is the chief culprit as to ring breakage. yes, it's usually true that the top ring goes, but it's not always the case. and yes, it can increase oil consumption, but it's not as bad as the other rings. re-read what i said. > JT > >>>>>>>"MLD" <MLD@verizon.net> wrote in message > >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 143 lines] > > > JT Jim, I have a question for you. I was taught that the best method of detecting ring problems was to conduct a compression check. Other than taking the engine apart, are there now better methods of detecting ring problems? If so, what are so methods? Jason SignatureNEWSGROUP SUBSCRIBERS MOTTO We respect those subscribers that ask for advice or provide advice. We do NOT respect the subscribers that enjoy criticizing people. > I have a question for you. I was taught that the best method of detecting > ring problems was to conduct a compression check. Other than taking the > engine apart, are there now better methods of detecting ring problems? If > so, what are so methods? You could do a wet vs. dry compression test as well as a leak down test. Eric > > I have a question for you. I was taught that the best method of detecting > > ring problems was to conduct a compression check. Other than taking the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Eric Eric, Thanks for your post. I have read about the leak down test but have never done one. Jason SignatureNEWSGROUP SUBSCRIBERS MOTTO We respect those subscribers that ask for advice or provide advice. We do NOT respect the subscribers that enjoy criticizing people. >>>>>>>>>"MLD" <MLD@verizon.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 208 lines] > I have a question for you. I was taught that the best method of detecting > ring problems was to conduct a compression check. for general engine health, i.e. how well it's coping with accumulated mileage, that's true. but in the situation cited originally in this thread, it's not guaranteed to diagnose the problem because defective oil control rings make almost no difference to compression. you're therefore left with logical deduction - if all other causes have been eliminated, it's the rings. > Other than taking the > engine apart, are there now better methods of detecting ring problems? If > so, what are so methods? oil/excess deposits on one spark plug is a dead giveaway. in addition, oil analysis could do it, if conducted regularly. but in a situation where the engine's suddenly dry, analysis is not an option. that unfortunately leaves you with strip-down. but even then, there's not too much point messing about worrying what went wrong - once stripped, a motor needs to be rebuilt anyway and all the wearing parts need to be replaced, so just toss the pistons and rings and start again. > Jason > >>>>>>>>>"MLD" <MLD@verizon.net> wrote in message > >>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 227 lines] > motor needs to be rebuilt anyway and all the wearing parts need to be > replaced, so just toss the pistons and rings and start again. Jim, Thanks for the information. I learned some things that I did not know. The oil analysis appears to be an excellent option. Jason SignatureNEWSGROUP SUBSCRIBERS MOTTO We respect those subscribers that ask for advice or provide advice. We do NOT respect the subscribers that enjoy criticizing people. > Additionally, broken oil or 2nd compression rings are rare since the > malady is often caused by incorrect timing (or some other direct factor) > that leads to detonation which is the chief culprit as to ring breakage. That agrees fairly well with my limited experience. I rebuilt an engine in a 1970 Volvo I had that pinged badly and smoked a lot (no catalytic converter). It had broken first compression rings in every cylinder and a broken second compression ring in one cylinder. Mike > > Additionally, broken oil or 2nd compression rings are rare since the > > malady is often caused by incorrect timing (or some other direct factor) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Mike Back in the early 1980's, I bought a friend's 1976 Honda Civic CVCC and drove it for about a year. It pinged fairly loud on hills and hard acceleration but luck was with me as I finally adjusted the timing to get rid of the knock. The car ran flawlessly all the way to the 170K (miles) mark when the car rotted out from under me... <G> JT (Who wonders what adventures may lurk with his "new to me" '83 Civic FE) |
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