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I have been thinking about getting an Element and will ask owners once in while how they like it. One guy said he was getting 25mpg on the highway and 21mpg in the city. But the latest was a guy who had a 2003. He said he was getting 31mpg on the highway and 28 in the city. Seems a little high. > I have been thinking about getting an Element and will ask owners once in > while how they like it. > > One guy said he was getting 25mpg on the highway and 21mpg in the city. But > the latest was a guy who had a 2003. He said he was getting 31mpg on the > highway and 28 in the city. Seems a little high. -------------------------------------- Hang around any N.G. long enough and you'll see that MANY people haven't figured out that the Gas Station prints the actual VOLUME of fuel right on the reciept. They fill the tank ten times and assume they've used 10 'tankfulls' of fuel. They look in the sales brochure (never the owner's manual) and find out the tank holds (say 16 gal) and they went X miles. They divide it all out and BRAG about their fantastic mileage. Now you know how they did it. I'm not kidding. 'Curly' : > I have been thinking about getting an Element and will ask owners once in : > while how they like it. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] : : 'Curly' Seems to me it would work the other way. If you assumed you were putting in the full capacity (say, 16 gallons), you'd come up with a lower MPG figure than if you calculated it based on what you actually put in (say, 14 gallons). Paul >I have been thinking about getting an Element and will ask owners once in >while how they like it. > > One guy said he was getting 25mpg on the highway and 21mpg in the city. > But the latest was a guy who had a 2003. He said he was getting 31mpg on > the highway and 28 in the city. Seems a little high. I have a 2005 manual Element AWD, and my combined city/highway mileage is a little over 24 MPG. Not bad for a vehicle that is as aerodynamic as a toaster! Steve > I have been thinking about getting an Element and will ask owners once > in while how they like it. > > One guy said he was getting 25mpg on the highway and 21mpg in the > city. But the latest was a guy who had a 2003. He said he was > getting 31mpg on the highway and 28 in the city. Seems a little high. Answer: Nobody really knows. Nobody I personally know does actual recording of fill amount and mileage covered, and does this with EVERY fillup for the whole year. Nobody. And without the data thus generated, EVERYbody is guessing as to their real mileage. I record for both our cars in a book, in this manner: Date........Odometer.......Dollars.......Amount May14/06....72,128.9mi.....$19.70(Cdn)...5.34 gal and so on for each and every fillup. EVERY fillup is to completely full, to at least two pump shutoffs. So, here are some figures for our '99 Tercel (the book I happen to have handy at the moment: Feb 18-May14: 2,691.11 miles, 88.59 gallons = 30.38mpg. Ah, but it gets interesting! Watch this: Feb18-Mar25: 933 miles, 33.54 gallons = 27.81. Winter is bad for mileage! Mar25-May14: 1,758 miles, 55.05 gallons = 31.93. That warm weather we had! Now the very last fillup (only one entry): May12-May14: 190.2 miles, 5.34 gallons: 35.58mpg. One fillup is not trustworthy, so this one obviously contains an anomaly of some sort that will get evened out in subsequent fillups. Now, there's a confounding factor besides temperature and type of driving, and that's octane. Every fillup except the last was with 91 pump octane. From now on, we're using 87. With my '91 Integra, I've discovered that using premium costs me about 2% in mileage. Don't know now whether the Tercel will be the same.  SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > Nobody I personally know does actual recording of fill amount and mileage > covered, and does this with EVERY fillup for the whole year. Nobody. We've never met, no. ;-) I never KEPT records, but for the first couple years I divided the miles on the trip odometer (to one decimal place, and always reset after filling up) and divided that figure by the gallons used (per the receipt, to three decimal places). During the first few months it recorded around 26, but since then my '04 4-cyl Accord auto regularly posts 27-28 mpg driving mostly "around town." FWIW, I live in southern Arizona, where it's f****** hot. > > Nobody I personally know does actual recording of fill amount and > > mileage [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > posts 27-28 mpg driving mostly "around town." FWIW, I live in southern > Arizona, where it's f****** hot. I've been doing this for years as well, with a few different cars. It's just been a habbit, although I don't write down the cost of the fill-up. If the person really wanted to be "anal" about it, they would go as far as using the same pump at the same gas station each time! Mileage dips in the winter here in MD. Different fuel formulation, colder engine which takes longer to warm up so idle can drop, etc. My '05 Accord manual varies from about 26-29 mpg, depending if it's more city or highway driving. The 2 trips with almost all highway driving was 33-34 mpg. Could have done better but that would have upset the drivers behind me. -Dave "Dave L" wrote in message... > My '05 Accord manual varies from about 26-29 mpg, depending if it's more > city or highway driving. The 2 trips with almost all highway driving was > 33-34 mpg. Could have done better but that would have upset the drivers > behind me. I don't keep records, but I like doing math in my head, so I can easily figure out to within less than 1mpg every time I fill the tank. My '02 Accord LX coupe w/ manual averages around 30-32 city/commuting (I typically fill up after the low-fuel light comes on, putting in around 14 gallons at between 400-450 miles), worst is around 26-27mpg in winter commuting, best is 40mpg on extended highway trips - I've done this at least twice while averaging around 68mph for an 850-mile trip (yes, this means I was cruising 70-75mph for most of the trip), with A/C on and the car loaded down pretty good with luggage. Since those figures were seemingly high, I double-checked them with a calculator to be sure. :þ I've heard stories in the past of folks getting phenomenol MPG at super-legal speeds with small 4-cyl. cars. I recall an internet posting years ago about a fellow that drove something like 90-100mph across Canada on an extended trip with a Mitsu Eclipse (or maybe it was a Laser) and got well into the 30+mpg (U.S., not Imperial) range. When I had my truck, I'd take occasional trips into the mountains. MPG would be unusually high for the first tankful or two because the truck would run lean in the thin mountain air - we're talking 23-24mpg with a V8 Dakota... > "Dave L" wrote in message... >> My '05 Accord manual varies from about 26-29 mpg, depending if it's more [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > good with luggage. Since those figures were seemingly high, I > double-checked them with a calculator to be sure. :þ Wow - that's excellent gas mileage. Sounds like you're doing much better than the ratings for this car. What is it "supposed" to get? One thing I wouldn't do is consistently drive until the fuel light comes on. I understand it has a tendency to kill a fuel pump quicker when run so low. Also allows more water to build up in the tank, which could help promote rust. > I've heard stories in the past of folks getting phenomenol MPG at > super-legal speeds with small 4-cyl. cars. I recall an internet posting > years ago about a fellow that drove something like 90-100mph across Canada > on an extended trip with a Mitsu Eclipse (or maybe it was a Laser) and got > well into the 30+mpg (U.S., not Imperial) range. Was this person from the states or from Canada? I thought Canada uses kilometers instead of miles. -Dave >> I've heard stories in the past of folks getting phenomenol MPG at >> super-legal speeds with small 4-cyl. cars. I recall an internet [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Was this person from the states or from Canada? I thought Canada uses > kilometers instead of miles. It does. But we *do* have pocket calculators, you know... But some of us grew up before Metric appeared on the scene, and some of us prefer to work in Imperial regardless of government bumpf. No laws against it, you know. Unlike Britain... SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >>> I've heard stories in the past of folks getting phenomenol MPG at >>> super-legal speeds with small 4-cyl. cars. I recall an internet [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > prefer to work in Imperial regardless of government bumpf. No laws against > it, you know. Unlike Britain... Before Metric appeared on the scene? Oh, you mean when the abacus was still widely used. -Dave (running) ;-) > Before Metric appeared on the scene? Oh, you mean when the abacus was > still widely used. > > -Dave (running) ;-) You had better duck while you're running, youngster <g>. >> Before Metric appeared on the scene? Oh, you mean when the abacus was >> still widely used. >> >> -Dave (running) ;-) > > You had better duck while you're running, youngster <g>. Youngster? lol. Funny how people (even at work) think I'm in my early to mid 20s. They're only about a decade off. ;-) > Youngster? lol. Funny how people (even at work) think I'm in my early to > mid 20s. They're only about a decade off. ;-) That still makes you a youngster from my viewpoint. {;^) >> Youngster? lol. Funny how people (even at work) think I'm in my early >> to mid 20s. They're only about a decade off. ;-) > > That still makes you a youngster from my viewpoint. {;^) Yeah, I thought along those lines after I posted. I'm used to people seeing me and then finding out my actual age. Still have friends say I haven't really changed much from high school. Still get carded in a restaurant sometimes if I get a glass of wine or beer with dinner. Not sure to take that as a compliment or insult! I digress. Now, how did the topic get changed the mpg of an Element to this conversation??? lol > Yeah, I thought along those lines after I posted. I'm used to people > seeing me and then finding out my actual age. Still have friends say I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I digress. Now, how did the topic get changed the mpg of an Element to > this conversation??? lol LOL! It happens. >> Before Metric appeared on the scene? Oh, you mean when the abacus was >> still widely used. >> >> -Dave (running) ;-) > > You had better duck while you're running, youngster <g>. And I'll chase that young whippersnapper to the ends of the earth, once I find my cane that is... SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >>> Before Metric appeared on the scene? Oh, you mean when the abacus was >>> still widely used. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > And I'll chase that young whippersnapper to the ends of the earth, once I > find my cane that is... Let me know when you find your cane so I can grab my walker.... "Dave L" wrote in message... > "mrdancer" wrote in message... > > "Dave L" wrote in message... [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Wow - that's excellent gas mileage. Sounds like you're doing much better > than the ratings for this car. What is it "supposed" to get? One thing I IIRC, the EPA ratings were something like 28/35 city/hwy. In my defense, I'm driving the car mostly in a small town (pop. 14k) and have an easy 8-mile commute to work (have to watch out for deer/turkeys rather than traffic jams). I also tend to keep my revs below 3krpm. I'm not a frugal driver, but there are enough slow people on the road that I try not to get into too big of a hurry - the high gas prices don't seem to be reducing highway traffic at all. Those 850-mile trips are also on pretty level ground (from TX to South Dakota). One thing is for sure, the car will get better mpg driving with the A/C on in 90-degree heat, than it will driving along in 20- to 30-degree temps. One last caveat: I've gotten the higher mpg with Goodyear TripleTreads with a few extra psi over recommended. Seems like the highest I've gotten with the original tires (Bridgestone, IIRC) was only 38 or 39mpg > wouldn't do is consistently drive until the fuel light comes on. I > understand it has a tendency to kill a fuel pump quicker when run so low. > Also allows more water to build up in the tank, which could help promote > rust. That's certainly a possibility. OTOH, I drove my '92 Dakota V8 to low-fuel light constantly, always using the cheapest gas I could find, and the engine, injectors and original fuel pump were still running like new when I sold the truck with 167k miles on it. As an aside, with my Accord, there is still 4 gallons left in the 18-gallon tank when the low-fuel light comes on - the most I've ever put in is 15 gallons, and I was getting pretty nervous when I waited that long. > IIRC, the EPA ratings were something like 28/35 city/hwy. In my defense, > I'm driving the car mostly in a small town (pop. 14k) and have an easy [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > was > only 38 or 39mpg I believe the '05 is rated at 26/34 so it's not too far off. I'm not a frugal driver either but also don't race the engine. As you've shown, the driver does have a big impact on gas mileage. >> wouldn't do is consistently drive until the fuel light comes on. I >> understand it has a tendency to kill a fuel pump quicker when run so low. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > on - the most I've ever put in is 15 gallons, and I was getting pretty > nervous when I waited that long. I've only driven a few times when my gas light came on. It was normally from long trips, mainly highway driving. The Accord does have a good sized tank. My '05 has a 17.1 gallon tank. Most I've ever put in was around 15 too. I know what you mean about getting nervous - driving on the highway with the light glowing.... looking for a gas station! -Dave > > Nobody I personally know does actual recording of fill amount and > > mileage >> covered, and does this with EVERY fillup for the whole year. Nobody. > > We've never met, no. ;-) I bought a car part from Arizona once... > I never KEPT records, but for the first > couple years I divided the miles on the trip odometer (to one decimal > place, and always reset after filling up) and divided that figure by > the gallons used (per the receipt, to three decimal places). The problem with not keeping official records is that it's too easy to lose a receipt, or to include something you shouldn't, such as a partial fillup. You also can't include the fillup amount from the *start* of your recorded mileage. A written (or Excel) record is more rigorous and more likely to be accurate, although your recorded 27-28mpg seems right for your car. I get about 28mpg in my Integra with lots of 80mph highway driving. Not bad for 267,000 miles, huh? SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > I bought a car part from Arizona once... Did it arrive melted? >> I never KEPT records, but for the first >> couple years I divided the miles on the trip odometer (to one decimal >> place, and always reset after filling up) and divided that figure by >> the gallons used (per the receipt, to three decimal places). > The problem with not keeping official records is that it's too easy to > lose > a receipt, or to include something you shouldn't, such as a partial > fillup. > You also can't include the fillup amount from the *start* of your recorded > mileage. I don't understand your last sentence. Maybe I don't know just what you mean by the "start of my recorded mileage." By "start" do you mean from the time I drive it off the dealer's lot? No, I didn't do that. I fill the tank on my way to work. I note the trip odometer (typically 300 - 320 miles), I have the receipt, and when I get to work I divide the 300 or so miles by the number of gallons bought. How does that differ from your method? I never based my mileage on one or two samples, even though I'd fill up at the same gas station. I know that some pumps, and on different days, will shut off at different levels of gasoline filled into the tank. So I figure over the course of a couple years I have it down pretty well. ;-) Howard On 5/18/2006 7:35 AM TeGGeR® spake these words of knowledge: >> > Nobody I personally know does actual recording of fill amount and >> > mileage [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > You also can't include the fillup amount from the *start* of your recorded > mileage. Actually, as long as you include the *amount of gasoline* you put in, you will still be able to calculate the correct miles-per-gallon figure, at your next full fillup. For example, once my tank is full, I start driving. If I put in 5 gallons, then 11.23 gallons, then 3.99 gallons, then 8.04 gallons, then do a complete fillup of 14.55 gallons, and traveled, say, 1611 miles, I averaged 37.63 miles per gallon. Of course, I can't calculate the MPG for the interim time; only between complete fillups. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen Signature"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." -- Thomas Jefferson >> I have been thinking about getting an Element and will ask owners once >> in while how they like it. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Nobody I personally know does actual recording of fill amount and mileage >covered, and does this with EVERY fillup for the whole year. Nobody. I do. >And without the data thus generated, EVERYbody is guessing as to their real >mileage. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >using premium costs me about 2% in mileage. Don't know now whether the >Tercel will be the same. > Nobody I personally know does actual recording of fill amount and mileage > covered, and does this with EVERY fillup for the whole year. Nobody. I have the EXACT gas fill info for EVERY tank full on my '92 Accord (LX two door,5 speed, White/Blue) since new. I taught myself to use Excel to put the info in a yearly table. bob >> Nobody I personally know does actual recording of fill amount and >> mileage covered, and does this with EVERY fillup for the whole year. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > two door,5 speed, White/Blue) since new. I taught myself to use Excel > to put the info in a yearly table. bob I'm glad to hear there are people who actually do figure their mileage properly out there. As I said, nobody I *personally* know (friends, neighbors, co-workers, etc) does this. Most of the people I know use the miles per tank method, which is bogus. SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >Nobody I personally know does actual recording of fill amount and mileage >covered, and does this with EVERY fillup for the whole year. Nobody. I started doing this for business reasons a few years ago and learned some interesting things. Particularly about summer/winter driving. My Honda civic has been averaging about 37 mpg in the summer and 33 in the winter. I think the difference is half due to winter 15% ethonal (pure ethonal only 70% the mileage) and other other half due to recreational road trips. I also wonder if cooler weather on the engines or tire pressure is a factor. AC has almost now effect. "rick++" wrote in message... > driving. My Honda civic has been averaging about 37 mpg > in the summer and 33 in the winter. I think the difference is half > due to winter 15% ethonal (pure ethonal only 70% the mileage) > and other other half due to recreational road trips. I also wonder Depends. If you do a lot of short trips, the engine does run momentarily in 'rich' mode until it is warmed up. The colder it is, the more fuel it will use every time you start it up. > if cooler weather on the engines or tire pressure is a factor. You should be checking your tire pressure at least monthly. It's not uncommon to lose quite a bit of pressure going from ambient 80-90 degrees F to sub-freezing temps. That will definitely affect your mpg. > AC has almost now effect. There was a study not too long ago that found that with modern automobiles/engines, the A/C used much less fuel than rolling down a window at speeds above 30mph or so. > "rick++" wrote in message... >> driving. My Honda civic has been averaging about 37 mpg [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Depends. If you do a lot of short trips, the engine does run > momentarily in 'rich' mode until it is warmed up Yep. It's in closed-loop as soon as the ECM receives a valid signal from the primary oxygen sensor, which these days is about 30-40 seconds from a cold start. But it's still in "warmup enrichment" mode until it sees full coolant temp, which can be up to ten minutes from cold, depending. > The colder it is, > the more fuel it will use every time you start it up. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > degrees F to sub-freezing temps. That will definitely affect your > mpg. 1 psi per every 10 deg F. >> AC has almost now effect. > > There was a study not too long ago that found that with modern > automobiles/engines, the A/C used much less fuel than rolling down a > window at speeds above 30mph or so. Correct. SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >"rick++" wrote in message... >> driving. My Honda civic has been averaging about 37 mpg [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >automobiles/engines, the A/C used much less fuel than rolling down a window >at speeds above 30mph or so. I don't buy it. I don't notice any effect on the car's performance when I roll down the windows. Turning on the A/C is like throwing out an anchor. I just bought a scan gauge monitor that plugs into the OBD-II receptacle and displays instantaneous milage and a lot of other data. I will test the window up/down AC on/off controversy and report results. > I don't buy it. I don't notice any effect on the car's performance > when I roll down the windows. Turning on the A/C is like throwing out > an anchor. Think about it. Travelling with the windows down, can only reduce mileage performance as the drag on the vehicle has been greatly increased. Talk about anchors! > I don't buy it. I don't notice any effect on the car's performance > when I roll down the windows. Turning on the A/C is like throwing out > an anchor. I've never noticed a decrease in mileage when the AC was in use, and that's half the year. My civic is getter better mileage than the published EPA ratings. Also better than the new Fit EPA ratings. It is better than my 1990 civic which was smaller and lighter. I read many people were complaining the EPA ratings to too good for most cars, especially the hybrids. Cant complain. On 5/17/2006 8:44 PM TeGGeR® spake these words of knowledge: >> I have been thinking about getting an Element and will ask owners once >> in while how they like it. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > And without the data thus generated, EVERYbody is guessing as to their real > mileage. I have done it with every fillup since the day I bought my car (2003 Accord LX). I do it with every vehicle I drive, because usually the first clue that there is a problem is a drop in mileage. In my book, I record the odometer reading, the per-gallon price, the total amount I paid for the fillup, and the date. When I enter that in a spreadsheet, I have (through formulas) the miles traveled, the gallons purchased, and the MPG for that fillup. Because it was trivial at that point, my spreadsheet also calculates my total gas cost, the total number of gallons I have purchased, average price-per-gallon, average miles-per-fillup, and average cost-per-fillup - over the life of the car. I have spent $5165.12 in 226 fillups, buying 2945.13 gallons of gas at an average cost of $1.75.4, averaging 361.65 miles per 13.03 gallon fillup, at an average cost of $22.85, and an average MPG of 27.75. If anyone is interested, I can post the Excel spreadsheet with the formulas still in it, for you to use. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen Signature"I have an idea that the phrase 'weaker sex' was coined by some woman to disarm some man she was preparing to overwhelm." -- Ogden Nash > On 5/17/2006 8:44 PM TeGGeR® spake these words of knowledge: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Accord LX). I do it with every vehicle I drive, because usually the first > clue that there is a problem is a drop in mileage. I've done it on the cars I've owned too. It's just become a habbit. Also never understood why some people want to keep putting $5 or $10 in the car instead of filling it up, when they had the money. You'll only have to visit the gas station that much quicker and more frequently. > In my book, I record the odometer reading, the per-gallon price, the total > amount I paid for the fillup, and the date. When I enter that in a [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > If anyone is interested, I can post the Excel spreadsheet with the > formulas still in it, for you to use. Sure! I'd love to put it to use. It would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, -Dave > I have spent $5165.12 in 226 fillups, buying 2945.13 gallons of gas at > an average cost of $1.75.4, averaging 361.65 miles per 13.03 gallon > fillup, at an average cost of $22.85, and an average MPG of 27.75. > > If anyone is interested, I can post the Excel spreadsheet with the > formulas still in it, for you to use. Y'know, NE Ohio Bob had sent me his Excel spreadsheet, but I never did anything with it. I'm now thinking it might be an excellent idea to post any available spreadsheets as part of a FAQ page. Looks like I've got two potential contributors so far, and I can post one of my own as well. If the data are valid, they would serve as an excellent real-world mileage resource. I could post a raw Excel form, and readers would be free to download and populate it, then send it to me for posting. Comments? SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ On 5/18/2006 9:29 PM TeGGeR® spake these words of knowledge: >> I have spent $5165.12 in 226 fillups, buying 2945.13 gallons of gas at >> an average cost of $1.75.4, averaging 361.65 miles per 13.03 gallon [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > resource. I could post a raw Excel form, and readers would be free to > download and populate it, then send it to me for posting. Comments? Sounds like a good idea to me. I'll send this to you, Tegger, and I'll leave my data in it. Do with it as you will. Dave, you can get it from me if you'll email me: dave - at - kelsen - dot - us, or provide me with a place to send it. I forgot that at the moment, I don't have a webspace to post it on. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen Signature"I have as much authority as the Pope, I just don't have as many people who believe it." -- George Carlin > On 5/18/2006 9:29 PM TeGGeR® spake these words of knowledge: > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > dot - us, or provide me with a place to send it. I forgot that at the > moment, I don't have a webspace to post it on. Email sent to ya. Or if Tegger puts it up on his website, those of us interested could grab it there too. Thanks! -Dave >> On 5/18/2006 9:29 PM TeGGeR® spake these words of knowledge: >> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Email sent to ya. Or if Tegger puts it up on his website, those of us > interested could grab it there too. It's up! http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/mileage.xls Download and distribute as you wish. THIS is the correct way to calculate mileage, provided each fillup is to max. I'll eventually make a new file with clear fields and post it on a new page entitled something like "how to record your mileage". What would be excellent is for people to do their own population of the spreadsheet with their own accurate real-world data, then send the resulting XLS to me. I think it would make an awesome real-life resource for gas mileage data. When I get a moment, I'll transfer my own data into a copy of that XLS and post that too. Got ten years of data to put up. Thanks very much to Dave Kelsen. Great contribution. SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > It's up! > http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/mileage.xls > Download and distribute as you wish. > > THIS is the correct way to calculate mileage, provided each fillup is > to max. Actually, that's not even necessary, as Dave Kelsen pointed out on Thursday. You just have to make sure your calculated interval is bracketed by consistent fills. SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >>> On 5/18/2006 9:29 PM TeGGeR® spake these words of knowledge: >>> [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > Thanks very much to Dave Kelsen. Great contribution. Excellent - Thank you Dave Kelsen and Tegger! I've still got my mpg tracking for my past cars, except my '89 Prelude Si. Gave that away when I got rid of the car. Now I really wish I kept it. This Accord is the first new car I bought so I've got to fill out the spreadsheet too - except the cost. Never tracked it. Thanks again, -Dave I typed 13 years of of a 1990 civic costs into a spreadsheet inlcuding maintenance, repairs, insurance, taxes and ticket fines. I think the total came to about four times the purchase price or about 20 cents a mile over 222K miles. Maintanence and repairs have been less on my 2004 so far. I expect my first non-scheduled maintence to be new front tires for the 3rd winter season. I find buying tires a little early to make a noticeable difference in bad weather driveability and relatively inexpensive. >I typed 13 years of of a 1990 civic costs into a spreadsheet > inlcuding maintenance, repairs, insurance, taxes and ticket fines. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > make a noticeable difference in bad weather driveability and > relatively inexpensive. One can hardly count driver's irresponsibility (ticket fines), as part of the operational costs of a vehicle. > I typed 13 years of of a 1990 civic costs into a spreadsheet > inlcuding maintenance, repairs, insurance, taxes and ticket fines. > I think the total came to about four times the purchase price > or about 20 cents a mile over 222K miles. Send it to me. SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > If anyone is interested, I can post the Excel spreadsheet with the > formulas still in it, for you to use. I'm playing with your Excel spreadsheet right now. So far it's fascinating. I've only got 24 entries for 1991 in there so far, and it's already a real eye-opener. http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/mileage-teg-test.xls I'm up to 4,419 miles at the moment. Maximum mileage (so far about 25mpg) was achieved at approx 1,500 miles. It's been very stable from 1,500 to 4,400. It will be interesting to see what happens as it nears my current 28mpg at 267,000 miles. Hey people, do you see what can be revealed if you keep detailed records? SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >I have been thinking about getting an Element and will ask owners once in >while how they like it. > >One guy said he was getting 25mpg on the highway and 21mpg in the city. I get 16-18 around town (99% of my driving) and 23-25 on the rare long trips. That's on a 2003, with about 14K miles now. I'm a firm but not aggressive driver. Most of my trips are 2.6 miles to work or 7 miles to the location from which my bicycle club rides. The lousy mileage is one of the few downsides of the vehicle. Art >>I have been thinking about getting an Element and will ask owners once in >>while how they like it. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Art I have a 90 4runner. No power but I get 20 in town and 25 on the road. The poor gas milage is one of downsides but then I can't find a vehicle which does everything I want and gets good mileage too. I just recently returned from a 5 day road in my 2003 Element and I was getting a consistent 28MPG on the long flat highway stretches with the cruise control/AC on, tire pressure about 36psi, doing 58-65mph. That was only on the days I was on the highway 95% of the time. Otherwise, I normally get from from 20 to 24mpg depending on my highway/city mix. These figures are based on the acutual miles driven after a fill divided by the exact gallons used during the fill up. Maybe if I turned off the AC and cruised at 50MPH I "might" gain an extra 1-3MPG, but don't plan on me to experiment doing this. Mike >I have been thinking about getting an Element and will ask owners once in >while how they like it. > > One guy said he was getting 25mpg on the highway and 21mpg in the city. > But the latest was a guy who had a 2003. He said he was getting 31mpg on > the highway and 28 in the city. Seems a little high. >I just recently returned from a 5 day road in my 2003 Element and I was >getting a consistent 28MPG on the long flat highway stretches with the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >experiment doing this. > Mike You probably get better gas mileage with the AC on and the windows closed than the AC off and the windows open. My '90 4Runner gets 20 mpg in the city and 25 on the highway. Of course that is with a 22R-E 4 cylinder. Very very rugged but only puts out 116hp. Takes about 2 miles to get up to highway speed. |
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