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Car Forum / Honda Cars / May 2006

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Honda Accord Hybrid

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Alan Browne - 22 May 2006 22:06 GMT
I tried the Honda Accord V-6 Hybrid the other night.

Very strong acceleration, well beyond needs.

What was cool:

-stop at a light, engine shut off; let go of brake, engine starts
smoothly and immediately.

-cruise at 120 km/h, three cylinders shut off (little light on dash
"ECO" turns on).

-let off gas during cruise and you could feel the electic motor "drag"
as it generated electricity for the battery.

-apply brakes, and even more energy was diverted to the motor/generator.

(There's a little meter bar that shows when the battery is discharging
or recharging)

What was not cool:

- automatic transmission
- ... and not so well programmed at that
- 3 litre engine
- no fold down rear seats (the battery is there)
- 253 total HP.... what's economical about that?
- does not qualify for the Quebec hybrid rebate (misses the mileage goal)
-stopped the car in "D", engine stops.  Shifted to "P" and the engine
started up again.  Should have remained off, IMO.  I guess it's the way
this is mechanized that allowed the engine to restart.
- price ($39,400 in Canada, $31,000 in the US).
  The CAD $ is running 89 - 90 cents these days...
  I could probably talk them down a couple K on the car; and up a
couple K on the trade in, but it's still not worth it to me.

I take it that they put in a 6 banger in order to get 3 cylinder cruise
on the highway, and that this might not have worked well with a 4
banger.  Why not a 5 banger?  Why not a smaller displacement 6 banger? I
simply can't believe that a Honda Accord really needs 200 HP, never minf
253 with the assist.

Any Canadians here who can explain the price differential (US / CAD)
that is way beyond the exchange rate?

Cheers,
Alan FreeLunch.
Brian Smith - 22 May 2006 22:53 GMT
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> Any Canadians here who can explain the price differential (US / CAD) that
> is way beyond the exchange rate?

I can't explain the vast difference in the prices. But I can tell you that I
like the 200 hp under the hood of my '01 Accord.
John Horner - 23 May 2006 10:02 GMT
IMO the Accord Hybrid is a dumb marketing/engineering move.  The
standard V-6 Accord already has more power than any reasonable North
American driver needs.  Why add a hybrid boost on top of that?

An ~2.0l four cylinder hybrid Accord would make much more sense for fuel
economy.

John
Alan Browne - 25 May 2006 00:40 GMT
> IMO the Accord Hybrid is a dumb marketing/engineering move.  The
> standard V-6 Accord already has more power than any reasonable North
> American driver needs.  Why add a hybrid boost on top of that?
>
> An ~2.0l four cylinder hybrid Accord would make much more sense for fuel
> economy.

I agree completely and I've posted on the subject (and the "cons"
reflect that.

I don't see hybrid "boost" as a performance item but as reuse of
deceleration.  Period.

Part of the problem, I suspect, is how well would the 2 litre engine
behave with two cylinders shut down?

Cheers,
Alan
Michael Pardee - 25 May 2006 01:13 GMT
> I don't see hybrid "boost" as a performance item but as reuse of
> deceleration.  Period.

The way Honda is doing it on their production models that is mostly true.
Their concept car, the Dualnote, is a different story:
http://world.honda.com/Tokyo2001/auto/DUALNOTE/powerunit/index.html
According to the September 2002 article in Popular Mechanics, Honda
engineers say the electrics effectively double the off-the-line acceleration
to roughly what is expected from a 600 HP conventional power train.

As the electric technology improves we will see performance increasingly
being a reason for hybridization. But the Accord "hybrid?" Hardly worth the
effort, IMHO.

Mike
John Horner - 25 May 2006 20:13 GMT
>> IMO the Accord Hybrid is a dumb marketing/engineering move.  The
>> standard V-6 Accord already has more power than any reasonable North
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> Cheers,
> Alan

With a small 4 cylinder motor you don't need cylinder deactivation.
Cylinder deactivation only seems to provide a minimal fuel economy boost
and is mostly be used on V-8s and V-12s (MBZ).

John
CC - 26 May 2006 04:51 GMT
I posted this elsewhere and it is appopriate here.  I like the Accord
Hybrid Navi and had a Civic Hybrid before.  If you were raised in the
muscle car era, the Accord Hybrid  ROCKS!  

I have already said:
>I have had an 03 Civic Hybrid and now have an 05' Accord Hybrid.  If I
>had to have one or the other, in today's market and gas prices, I
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>Honda did just fine, by me.  (except for the lack of a spare, which I
>have solved - after market.)

CC

>IMO the Accord Hybrid is a dumb marketing/engineering move.  The
>standard V-6 Accord already has more power than any reasonable North
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>
>John
 
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