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Car Forum / Honda Cars / June 2006

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1997 civic very dirty oil very quickly

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runsrealfast - 12 Jun 2006 23:07 GMT
I have a 1997 civic with 109k on it. I drive 60 miles (38 on I-15)
every day to work (120 miles round trip). Everytime I change the oil in
it about a week later the oil is down 2 quarts and its real dirty. This
started about a year ago. I have just been replacing the oil that has
been lost. The car has no loss of performance (that I can feel, power
or mileage) but does make a screaching noise during acceleration. I
have yet to change the timing belt and when that is done the water pump
will get changed, which I have been told will fix the screaching noise.
Anyway I was worried that my K&N cold air intake was letting to much
"junk" into my engine. Is this possible, or is it something completely
different?

runsrealfast <--i run fast not my car, after all its a civic
'Curly Q. Links' - 13 Jun 2006 03:21 GMT
> I have a 1997 civic with 109k on it. I drive 60 miles (38 on I-15)
> every day to work (120 miles round trip). Everytime I change the oil in
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>
> runsrealfast <--i run fast not my car, after all its a civic

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For starters, your PCV is stuck open, (spring might be rusted through)
so it's allowing your oil to be burned invisibly. That can be hard on
the CAT, so you should replace the PCV with an OEM one ASAP.

'Curly'
jim beam - 13 Jun 2006 03:52 GMT
> I have a 1997 civic with 109k on it. I drive 60 miles (38 on I-15)
> every day to work (120 miles round trip). Everytime I change the oil in
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> runsrealfast <--i run fast not my car, after all its a civic

crud in the oil comes from combustion problems or ingestion of
grit/increased wear - once you mention the k&n intake, all sympathy
disappears.  look into the cost of a replacement jdm engine and
refitting the stock air filtration system.
TeGGeR® - 13 Jun 2006 15:07 GMT
jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote in news:V_-
dncjl8IMStRPZnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@speakeasy.net:

> once you mention the k&n intake, all sympathy
> disappears.

Ditto.

And hey, have a look at this...
http://home.usadatanet.net/%7Ejbplock/ISO5011/SPICER.htm

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runsrealfast - 14 Jun 2006 15:05 GMT
> jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote in news:V_-
> dncjl8IMStRPZnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@speakeasy.net:
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> And hey, have a look at this...
> http://home.usadatanet.net/%7Ejbplock/ISO5011/SPICER.htm

thanks for the link, the test looks a little pro AC delco, but I see
the point. Still it makes you a little sceptical when the same filter
gets rated the highest everytime...
Gordon McGrew - 15 Jun 2006 02:48 GMT
>> I have a 1997 civic with 109k on it. I drive 60 miles (38 on I-15)
>> every day to work (120 miles round trip). Everytime I change the oil in
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>disappears.  look into the cost of a replacement jdm engine and
>refitting the stock air filtration system.

If your engine is bad, that filter is probably to blame.  You ought to
sue them.

If the water pump is screeching you need to get it done yesterday.  Is
it leaking coolant?
runsrealfast - 15 Jun 2006 15:31 GMT
> If your engine is bad, that filter is probably to blame.  You ought to
> sue them.
>
> If the water pump is screeching you need to get it done yesterday.  Is
> it leaking coolant?

no, its funny though it doesn't screech all the time, but yeah I know
it needs to get done just need the time to do it.
Gordon McGrew - 16 Jun 2006 05:10 GMT
>> If your engine is bad, that filter is probably to blame.  You ought to
>> sue them.
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>no, its funny though it doesn't screech all the time, but yeah I know
>it needs to get done just need the time to do it.

I am actually a little skeptical that it really is the water pump.  If
it was really the water pump I kinda think you would be looking for a
new engine by now.
Sam Spade - 24 Jun 2006 23:59 GMT
>>> I have a 1997 civic with 109k on it. I drive 60 miles (38 on I-15)
>>> every day to work (120 miles round trip). Everytime I change the oil in
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> If the water pump is screeching you need to get it done yesterday.  Is
> it leaking coolant?

Here's my two cents worth.  Oil will turn black due to combustion gases
getting into the crank case.  The oil is probably getting by the piston
rings.  It it was getting by the valve guides you would probably have
fouled plugs.
Eric - 13 Jun 2006 10:04 GMT
> I have a 1997 civic with 109k on it. I drive 60 miles (38 on I-15)
> every day to work (120 miles round trip). Everytime I change the oil in
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> runsrealfast <--i run fast not my car, after all its a civic

If a new PVC doesn't help, then you may have to shoot it.  Two quarts of oil
a week without any oil leaks is beyond excessive.  OK, you don't have to
shoot it, it could need new rings and get rid of the CAI replacing it with
the stock intake.  A wet vs. dry compression test might help to pin point a
problem with the rings.  By the way, driving around with a screeching water
pump isn't such a great idea.  A failed water pump will stop the engine due
to bent valves.  However, then you'll be able to run much faster than your
Civic.

Eric
runsrealfast - 13 Jun 2006 16:18 GMT
> > I have a 1997 civic with 109k on it. I drive 60 miles (38 on I-15)
> > every day to work (120 miles round trip). Everytime I change the oil in
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> Eric

I'm not losing quite that much oil I lost 2 quarts about 1000 miles
before I was due for a oil change anyway. But I have been thinking of
getting the stock equipment back into the car and the timeing
belt/water pump is on the to-do-list but my honey-do-list never
shortens so i have not had the chance yet
 
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