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Timing belt question
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accord_owner - 14 Jun 2006 21:04 GMT I have a 97 Accord. I read that sometime after 1997, Honda started using a better type of timing belt that lasts longer.
If I get my timing belt replaced by a Honda dealer, will they replace it with the better timing belt, or will they still give me the older type of timing belt?
meathammer - 15 Jun 2006 01:35 GMT > I have a 97 Accord. I read that sometime after 1997, Honda started using a > better type of timing belt that lasts longer. > > If I get my timing belt replaced by a Honda dealer, will they replace it > with the better timing belt, or will they still give me the older type of > timing belt? TeGGeR® - 15 Jun 2006 01:38 GMT > I have a 97 Accord. I read that sometime after 1997, Honda started > using a better type of timing belt that lasts longer. > > If I get my timing belt replaced by a Honda dealer, will they replace > it with the better timing belt, or will they still give me the older > type of timing belt? You get the new type, provided the tooth design is the modern rounded sort (and yours is).
Change interval for the new type is 7yrs/105K miles. I think yours might have already been the 7-year kind.
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butch burton - 16 Jun 2006 00:43 GMT > > I have a 97 Accord. I read that sometime after 1997, Honda started > > using a better type of timing belt that lasts longer. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ > www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ My 97 made in Japan accord has the 7/105 which I changed at 120 - old belt was fine-will wait till 250/+130 for next one.
Michael Pardee - 16 Jun 2006 06:31 GMT TeGGeR® wrote:
> "accord_owner" <accord_owner@no.spam.com> wrote in > news:hYGdnclMWNTX8Q3ZnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@comcast.com: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ > www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ My 97 made in Japan accord has the 7/105 which I changed at 120 - old belt was fine-will wait till 250/+130 for next one.
To each their own. But here's a thought: how long do you expect the car to last? If you thank your lucky stars your belt made it to 120K and resume 105K mile intervals, it will be due at 225K and 330K. If you roll the dice and go for 120K each time, it will be due at 240K and 360K. The increased risk hardly seems worth it, especially since there is no advantage at all unless you believe it will make 330K but not 360K. Massage the numbers as you wish, but the logic doesn't change... the points just shift slightly. You will spend exactly as much whether you go by the recommendations or whether you gamble unless you get rid of the car between those intervals.
The belts are changed at prescribed intervals because the condition can't be determined by inspection. A belt that is going to fail tomorrow will usually look like the one you removed, and very much like a new one except the numbers are worn off. Your old belt was not fine.
Mike
SoCalMike - 16 Jun 2006 20:31 GMT > My 97 made in Japan accord has the 7/105 which I changed at 120 - old > belt was fine-will wait till 250/+130 for next one. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > and go for 120K each time, it will be due at 240K and 360K. The increased > risk hardly seems worth it, my 1998 civic CX has a whopping 52k on it, and the original belt. thats 8 years.
does it kinda bug me? sure.
and its just one more small reason for me to get a scion xA. that, 2 more doors, a nice stereo, standard A/C, power windows/locks, VVTi, 15" wheels, and a timing chain.
and not having to worry about my clean CX getting jacked and turned into a "fast n furious" car. that would make me sad.
but im not gonna shell out the TB money just to trade it in, so im biding my time. ive lived a clean life, and praise be to allah, that timing belt will hold until i sell the car :)
TeGGeR® - 17 Jun 2006 02:54 GMT >> My 97 made in Japan accord has the 7/105 which I changed at 120 - old >> belt was fine-will wait till 250/+130 for next one. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > more doors, a nice stereo, standard A/C, power windows/locks, VVTi, > 15" wheels, and a timing chain. Ever considered a tC? How come Canada don't get the tC? Ripoff!
> and not having to worry about my clean CX getting jacked and turned > into a "fast n furious" car. that would make me sad. > > but im not gonna shell out the TB money just to trade it in, so im > biding my time. ive lived a clean life, and praise be to allah, Ah yes. Allah akbar and all that...
> that > timing belt will hold until i sell the car :) Pray to Allah and ye shall receive many Kalashnikovs. Jus' kidding here of course...
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SoCalMike - 17 Jun 2006 03:46 GMT > Ever considered a tC? How come Canada don't get the tC? Ripoff! due to the size of my garage, i want to get something with an even smaller footprint than the civic CX. ive got the civic, a 2005 yamaha xt225, and a 2003 suzuki burgman 400 in there now, and things are a little tight.
the Tc is a nice car, an excellent value, and if i was in the market for a 2dr sports hatch, itd be high on my list.
but thats not my style. i like small, innocuous, unobtrusive, little cars. the xA is pimped out standard, compared to my CX.
and there are a bunch of neat aftermarket things for the xA, as well. superchargers and whatnot. if i decide to go that route. itll still look bone stock on the outside, though.
TeGGeR® - 17 Jun 2006 04:45 GMT >> Ever considered a tC? How come Canada don't get the tC? Ripoff! > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > but thats not my style. i like small, innocuous, unobtrusive, little > cars. the xA is pimped out standard, compared to my CX. If you vant to un-pimp your ride, say "Vhat".
> and there are a bunch of neat aftermarket things for the xA, as well. > superchargers and whatnot. if i decide to go that route. itll still look > bone stock on the outside, though. Ve call dis, in the de '80s, a "Q ship". Is dat sucking?
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Michael Pardee - 17 Jun 2006 14:28 GMT > Ve call dis, in the de '80s, a "Q ship". Is dat sucking? A "Q ship?" Is that maybe a Canadian term? I hadn't heard it here in cowboy land.
TeGGeR® - 17 Jun 2006 17:55 GMT >> Ve call dis, in the de '80s, a "Q ship". Is dat sucking? >> > A "Q ship?" Is that maybe a Canadian term? I hadn't heard it here in > cowboy land. Has nothing to do with Canada.
Go to the library and read any '80s car magazine. The term was in regular use through the '80s.
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bearman - 17 Jun 2006 18:50 GMT >>> Ve call dis, in the de '80s, a "Q ship". Is dat sucking? >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Go to the library and read any '80s car magazine. The term was in regular > use through the '80s. The term (or "Q-car") has subsequently been used to describe cars that have much higher than average performance (often through extensive modification) but look like conventional, uninteresting family transport. As well as the ships, this term may also be reinforced from the United Kingdom's system of registration plate numbering - the first symbol on a British plate is a letter code for the year of manufacture, but for vehicles of uncertain or mixed age, a plate beginning with "Q" is used.
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bearman - 17 Jun 2006 19:08 GMT >>>> Ve call dis, in the de '80s, a "Q ship". Is dat sucking? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > British plate is a letter code for the year of manufacture, but for > vehicles of uncertain or mixed age, a plate beginning with "Q" is used. I meant to put quotes around my post since it's from Wikipedia. Sorry.
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johnin - 15 Jun 2006 19:28 GMT That 7-year kind timing belt i believe is the "updated version" that i have read on the web that contains Kevlar. Kevlar is the same stuff thats found i "bullit proof vests" that cops use! i read somewhere on the web that there was a certain amount mixed in the fabricating process that honda used on timing belts. witch is great! makes a timing belt much more stronger and durable there by lasting longer. ;
-- johnin
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