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Car Forum / Honda Cars / August 2006Honda Clutch Kit
Clutch is going to need replacing on my 86 Prelude 2.0si- anybody know the best place to get the full kit for a clutch replacement? Thanks, Bill I am not sure about the "best" place but am looking forward to others' input on this. In particular, I want to know if OEM is strongly advocated. For your reference: OEM sources for the clutch disc and release bearing: www.slhonda.com www.hondaautomotiveparts.com > Clutch is going to need replacing on my 86 Prelude 2.0si- > anybody know > the best place to get the full kit for a clutch > replacement? >I am not sure about the "best" place but am looking forward to others' >input on this. In particular, I want to know if OEM is strongly advocated. I hadn't thought about that. Maybe there isn't much difference, but deep inside a clutch isn't the place you'd want substandard parts. Anybody have experience with that? Mike > "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote >>I am not sure about the "best" place but am looking [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > difference, but deep inside a clutch isn't the place you'd > want substandard parts. I just searched the group's archives and Babcox.com's magazines to see what they say. The archives don't reveal strong feelings on this, from what I saw. OTOH, it seems the topic does not come up here often. Larry Carley (the automotive technician turned tech writer) seems to lean towards OEM but is open to remanned parts. (Not sure which parts he says can be purchased remanned. Flywheel with a cut taken off the surface? Pressure plate rebuild?) For the archives, since I'm sure you know the following, Michael: I see the Honda clutch kits online, presumably so far all aftermarket, contain the release bearing, pilot bearing (forgot that), disc, an alignment tool, but also a new pressure plate (oops on me). Carley says for low mileage vehicles, sometimes the old pressure plate can be reused. Dunno how prudent that is. The Car Talk guys (Tom and Ray) note that a clutch's life depends largely on how many times a car is started from stop, so a lot of stop and go driving translates to a high wear rate on clutches. Makes sense. Internet sources suggest the OEM manufacturer for Honda clutches is Exedy. I think I'll go looking for some open trannies next time I'm at the junkyard and look for manufacturer info stamped on the disc, etc. >> "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote >>>I am not sure about the "best" place but am looking [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > vehicles, sometimes the old pressure plate can be reused. > Dunno how prudent that is. If you're replacing a worn clutch,theres TWO sides to it,and one side rubs up against the clutch pressure plate! It also beats having to go BACK in there if.... ;-) > The Car Talk guys (Tom and Ray) > note that a clutch's life depends largely on how many times [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > trannies next time I'm at the junkyard and look for > manufacturer info stamped on the disc, etc. OEM does suggest that the parts will fit with no surprises.No "awshits".  SignatureJim Yanik jyanik at kua.net > "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote >> I see the Honda clutch kits online, presumably so [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > it,and one side rubs > up against the clutch pressure plate! Well sure, but I was thinking the disc is made up of "wearable" material, whereas the flywheel and pressure plates are harder. Kinda like brake pads vs. rotors. But rotors do get replaced/resurfaced. My misconception. If it's S.O.P. to replace the pressure plate, I will, some several years down the road when my 91 Civic's clutch actually starts slipping. > It also beats having to go BACK in > there if.... ;-) Yessir. :-) > OEM does suggest that the parts will fit with no > surprises.No "awshits". Yes, that's making sense to me. What is surprising to me, in my little clutch exploration of the past month or so, is that it's the parts that are much of the cost of a clutch replacement, especially if OEM parts are used. Labor really does not seem too intense for someone who has done a clutch job or two on a Honda. I oughta look up the hours on Alldata while I still have free access. > Well sure, but I was thinking the disc is made up of > "wearable" material, whereas the flywheel and pressure > plates are harder. Kinda like brake pads vs. rotors. > > But rotors do get replaced/resurfaced. Honda does not recommend machining flywheels on account of their "stepped" surface. It says this in the "Specifications" section of every post-1990 model I've seen so far. > My misconception. If it's S.O.P. to replace the pressure > plate, I will, some several years down the road when my 91 > Civic's clutch actually starts slipping. The pressure plate has many other points of wear and failure than just the friction surface. If you've got a few miles on the car, it does not pay to skimp on the pressure plate. >> It also beats having to go BACK in >> there if.... ;-) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Yes, that's making sense to me. Once is enough when it's your daily driver. I went OEM for peace-of mind. SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ "TeGGeR����������������������" wrote: >> Well sure, but I was thinking the disc is made up of >> "wearable" material, whereas the flywheel and pressure [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > surface. It says this in the "Specifications" section of every post-1990 > model I've seen so far. you can machine if you do the step as well. rarely done though from what i've seen. personally, i won't machine unless badly scored. >> My misconception. If it's S.O.P. to replace the pressure >> plate, I will, some several years down the road when my 91 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > friction surface. If you've got a few miles on the car, it does not pay to > skimp on the pressure plate. depends on wear. it doesn't pay for a shop not to replace because they get to sell you more and don't want to worry about returns, but truth is, if it's in ok condition and you're doing the work yourself, there's nothing wrong with reuse. sure, it may not last quite as long as a new one, but on a 300k mile car, what does that matter? >>> It also beats having to go BACK in >>> there if.... ;-) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Once is enough when it's your daily driver. I went OEM for peace-of mind. > > Honda does not recommend machining flywheels on account of their > > "stepped" surface. It says this in the "Specifications" section of > > every post-1990 model I've seen so far. > > you can machine if you do the step as well. rarely done though from > what i've seen. personally, i won't machine unless badly scored. Well, "rarely done" may mean that it's rarely done by the lower end repair shops. It's fairly common practice in the shops that I've worked in and others I'm familiar with. In one particular shop, we would machine the flywheels (including the step) on our brake lathe. They came out fine. Of course, it could also mean we used a better brake lathe than some other places. Eric >>I am not sure about the "best" place but am looking forward to others' >>input on this. In particular, I want to know if OEM is strongly [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Mike Wouldn't some reputable high-performance aftermarket clutch assemblies be better than OEM? (Not full-race" clutches) SignatureJim Yanik jyanik at kua.net > Wouldn't some reputable high-performance aftermarket clutch assemblies be > better than OEM? (Not full-race" clutches) Makes sense to me. Reading one of your other posts in this thread (about fit) I think you're on to something. Even a bit of hanging up in the release can make a clutch drag. Mike >> Wouldn't some reputable high-performance aftermarket clutch >> assemblies be better than OEM? (Not full-race" clutches) > > Makes sense to me. Reading one of your other posts in this thread > (about fit) I think you're on to something. Even a bit of hanging up > in the release can make a clutch drag. Yep. See here for my experience: http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/clutch/index.html SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > Wouldn't some reputable high-performance aftermarket clutch assemblies > be better than OEM? (Not full-race" clutches) Watch those. I understand they are often much more abrupt than OEM, which will make it very difficult to get a smooth shift. Your tranny bearings will suffer reduced life in the bargain. "Performance" clutches are OK if you're racing and expect to tear everything apart frequently. For a daily driver that's expected to just go and go, they appear to be a poor choice. SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >> Wouldn't some reputable high-performance aftermarket clutch >> assemblies be better than OEM? (Not full-race" clutches) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > everything apart frequently. For a daily driver that's expected to > just go and go, they appear to be a poor choice. I've noticed they come in at least three levels;hi-perf,race,and full-race. I'd expect the race clutches to be abrupt. SignatureJim Yanik jyanik at kua.net >> "Performance" clutches are OK if you're racing and expect to tear >> everything apart frequently. For a daily driver that's expected to >> just go and go, they appear to be a poor choice. > > I've noticed they come in at least three levels;hi-perf,race,and > full-race. I'd expect the race clutches to be abrupt. Doesn't take much. When your OEM marcel is 1/16" and the "hi-perf" one is 1/32", take-up will be far more abrupt than you're used to. You'll have trouble achieving a chirp-free launch. Full-race clutches have no marcel. SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >>> "Performance" clutches are OK if you're racing and expect to tear >>> everything apart frequently. For a daily driver that's expected to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Full-race clutches have no marcel. I am just getting used to the clutch on the 06 Si, which often gives me a chirp on 1st and 2nd. Is the stock clutch for these more high-performance than normal, or is it just my learning curve? ;-) SignatureJoseph M. LaVigne jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 8/11/2006 1:27:20 AM Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/ A pipe gives a wise man time to think and a fool something to stick in his mouth. -- Anonymous > I am just getting used to the clutch on the 06 Si, which often gives > me a chirp on 1st and 2nd. Is the stock clutch for these more > high-performance than normal, or is it just my learning curve? ;-) Might be just your learning curve. A new clutch will have more of an "over- center" feel to the pedal, which can make it difficult to achieve smooth engagement when you're used to a part-worn clutch. SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >> I am just getting used to the clutch on the 06 Si, which often gives >> me a chirp on 1st and 2nd. Is the stock clutch for these more [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > center" feel to the pedal, which can make it difficult to achieve smooth > engagement when you're used to a part-worn clutch. Hell, it's my first manual, so I am still getting used to a clutch at all... ;-) But I have gotten pretty smooth with it most of the time... SignatureJoseph M. LaVigne jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 8/13/2006 4:39:47 AM Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/ "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." -Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria You can find lots of clutch kits on Ebay. About $90 bucks. Excedy made the OEM clutch for your car. Buy the kit and change the pressure plate, disk, and bearing. Kit should have alignment tool also. |
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