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Car Forum / Honda Cars / August 2006non-interference engine
I was looking at a 2006 Honda Civic and I asked the saleman if the engine was a Non-interference engine and I got a blank look So guys help me out here...is it or isn't it!....Thanks > I was looking at a 2006 Honda Civic and I asked the saleman if the engine > was a Non-interference engine and I got a blank look > So guys help me out here...is it or isn't it!....Thanks why does it bother you? > I was looking at a 2006 Honda Civic and I asked the saleman if the engine > was a Non-interference engine and I got a blank look > So guys help me out here...is it or isn't it!....Thanks Why would it matter if it is or it isn't? Very simple....if it is a non-interference engine and your timing belt or chain breaks it doesn't hurt the engine.... >> I was looking at a 2006 Honda Civic and I asked the saleman if the engine >> was a Non-interference engine and I got a blank look >> So guys help me out here...is it or isn't it!....Thanks > > Why would it matter if it is or it isn't? In all my years, I've spun more bearings (2) than I've ever broken a timing chain (0), or belt for that matter. Again, why would it matter if it is or it isn't? Do you plan on not maintaining your vehicle after you purchase it? Steve > Very simple....if it is a non-interference engine and your timing belt or > chain breaks it doesn't hurt the engine.... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > > Why would it matter if it is or it isn't? > Again, why would it matter if it is or it isn't? Do you plan on not > maintaining your vehicle after you purchase it? > > Steve Even an engine maintained on schedule is susceptible to sudden death by valve crash. Usually that comes from water pump failure if the water pump is driven by the timing belt. In that respect chain driven engines are "safer." Mike > Very simple....if it is a non-interference engine and your timing belt or > chain breaks it doesn't hurt the engine.... if you maintain the engine as it's supposed to be, this will *never* be an issue. you run more danger of wheel bolts fatiguing than you do having a belt/chain break on a properly maintained engine. and get some perspective on cost/benefit of failure vs. performance/economy of interference engines. come to think of it, this thread smells of fud. >>> I was looking at a 2006 Honda Civic and I asked the saleman if the engine >>> was a Non-interference engine and I got a blank look >>> So guys help me out here...is it or isn't it!....Thanks >> Why would it matter if it is or it isn't? > I was looking at a 2006 Honda Civic and I asked the saleman if the engine > was a Non-interference engine and I got a blank look > So guys help me out here...is it or isn't it!....Thanks I don't know, but it doesn't matter because the engine uses a timing chain instead of a belt. >>I was looking at a 2006 Honda Civic and I asked the saleman if the engine >>was a Non-interference engine and I got a blank look >> So guys help me out here...is it or isn't it!....Thanks > > I don't know, but it doesn't matter because the engine uses a timing chain > instead of a belt. Don't count on it "not mattering" for that... my old GLC died a messy death when an improperly-adjusted timing chain slipped a tooth. >>>I was looking at a 2006 Honda Civic and I asked the saleman if the engine >>>was a Non-interference engine and I got a blank look [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Don't count on it "not mattering" for that... my old GLC died a messy death when >an improperly-adjusted timing chain slipped a tooth. I think it is more a question of good engineering vs. bad engineering. Saturn owners have a lot more problems with the chains than Honda owners have with the belts. Ironic, as the Saturn dealers pitched the chain as being superior to Honda's belts. We will see if these new Honda chain engines can routinely go 200K on the original chains. I am assuming that a chain replacement will end up costing twice as much as a belt. Also, how hard is it to change the water pump in these cars? Do you have to remove the chain? >>>>I was looking at a 2006 Honda Civic and I asked the saleman if the engine >>>>was a Non-interference engine and I got a blank look [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Also, how hard is it to change the water pump in these cars? Do you > have to remove the chain? The salesman that sold me my 06 Si said that it was a timing belt, and the scheduled maintenance for it was 100K. Is that incorrect?  SignatureJoseph M. LaVigne jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 8/14/2006 2:27:47 AM Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/ "If you were waiting for the oppurtune moment ... that was it." --Jack Sparrow, "Pirates of the Carribean" > The salesman that sold me my 06 Si said that it was a timing belt, and the > scheduled maintenance for it was 100K. Is that incorrect? It is incorrect. It uses a timing chain. >> The salesman that sold me my 06 Si said that it was a timing belt, and the >> scheduled maintenance for it was 100K. Is that incorrect? > > It is incorrect. It uses a timing chain. Thanks. Does this mean that there is no scheduled maintenance for the chain? If so, it looks like just fluids, brakes and 100K tune-ups. Not bad for maintenance costs... SignatureJoseph M. LaVigne jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 8/17/2006 3:37:06 AM Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/ Scarecrow (Ray Bolger): I haven't got a brain... only straw. Dorothy (Judy Garland): How can you talk if you haven't got a brain? Scarecrow: I don't know... But some people without brains do an awful lot of talking... don't they? Dorothy: Yes, I guess you're right. ~ "Wizard of Oz " > The salesman that sold me my 06 Si said that it was a timing belt, and the > scheduled maintenance for it was 100K. Is that incorrect? -------------------------------- The 06 Si comes with a FINE manual. Read The Fine Manual. Read this too, regarding the 'art' of car salesmanship. It's LONG: http://www.edmunds.com/advice/buying/articles/42962/article.html 'Curly' >> The salesman that sold me my 06 Si said that it was a timing belt, and the >> scheduled maintenance for it was 100K. Is that incorrect? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > 'Curly' The manual doesn't mention the timing belt or chain at all, so far as I can tell. I have never expected a salesman to be extremely knowledgeable about cars. It really isn't their job. That article is pretty good, but to be honest, this was my first time at a Honda dealership, and the salesan was the best auto salesman I have ever dealt with (from a buyers point of view). Didn't push anything, was helpful in every respect. I wasn't able to bring the price down, but I didn't expect to considering it was a Civic Si in a year where they were named car of the year, and the Si has had so many favorable reviews. They don't last long at sticker, and true to my expectations, when I tried to negotiate a better price, they were more than willing to walk away from the sale. SignatureJoseph M. LaVigne jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 8/17/2006 3:33:40 AM Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/ "If you were waiting for the oppurtune moment ... that was it." --Jack Sparrow, "Pirates of the Carribean" >The manual doesn't mention the timing belt or chain at all, so far as I can >tell. > >I have never expected a salesman to be extremely knowledgeable about cars. >It really isn't their job. Of course it is their job. It's just easier to guess or make stuff up. >>The manual doesn't mention the timing belt or chain at all, so far as I can >>tell. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Of course it is their job. It's just easier to guess or make stuff > up. That depends on the technicality of the questions. Salesmen are not mechanics. A good salesman will often have you wait while he gets the answer for you, but there are very few of those in the world. Especially with the fear that you'll leave while waiting, or consider their need to seek help a problem. In my industry (server/networking engineer), we find this all the time. Our salespeople often sell things that are damned near ridiculous, and rely on us to make it happen. We try to make them better, but the allure of the almighty buck is a great barrier. As I said, this was the best sales experience I have ever had. And Honda's always had a belt before. So his not knowing off-hand about a single technical change, from a sales standpoint, is inconsequential. Especially since he got the sale, anyhow... ;-) SignatureJoseph M. LaVigne jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 8/19/2006 1:42:12 AM Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/ “I never trusted a man who never smoked or drank.” – Abraham Lincoln. >> I was looking at a 2006 Honda Civic and I asked the saleman if the engine >> was a Non-interference engine and I got a blank look >> So guys help me out here...is it or isn't it!....Thanks > > I don't know, but it doesn't matter because the engine uses a timing chain > instead of a belt. IMHO chains have not proven themselves much more reliable than belts. Maybe they have improved, but the last car I had with a chain (an 84 Dodge with a Mitsu engine) didn't make it 100K miles before the chain was worn enough to jump. The first step in replacement was: remove engine from car. Mike >>> I was looking at a 2006 Honda Civic and I asked the saleman if the >>> engine was a Non-interference engine and I got a blank look [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > IMHO chains have not proven themselves much more reliable than belts. Depends on the engine design. Certain cars were notorious for eating timing chains. The Nissan Axxess had one such. On the the opposite side, the old Toyota timing chains were very well designed. They'd wear and get noisy, but never break or jump. SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > IMHO chains have not proven themselves much more reliable than belts. Maybe > they have improved, but the last car I had with a chain (an 84 Dodge with a > Mitsu engine) didn't make it 100K miles before the chain was worn enough to > jump. The first step in replacement was: remove engine from car. Toyota 4-cylinders have been chain-driven since the late 90s (starting with the '98 Corolla I believe), and I am not aware of any chain-related failures in properly maintained cars. Nissan was using chains long before that, although I don't know how reliable they have been. > Toyota 4-cylinders have been chain-driven since the late 90s (starting > with > the '98 Corolla I believe), and I am not aware of any chain-related > failures > in properly maintained cars. Nissan was using chains long before that, > although I don't know how reliable they have been. My #2 son had an '82 Toyota Corolla with a chain. We replaced it a few months before the engine threw a rod :-( Researching the chain, we found that it was common for them to eat through the timing chain cover as a result of "stretching" (pivot wear) and that those covers were at a premium on the used market for that reason. Mike >>Toyota 4-cylinders have been chain-driven since the late 90s (starting >>with [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > the timing chain cover as a result of "stretching" (pivot wear) and that > those covers were at a premium on the used market for that reason. Well the opposite end of that scale would be the trusty old Dodge "Slant-6" engines... my dad had one in his '81 pickup, never had it replaced that I know of... when he retired the truck in '87 with over 450,000km, the chain was streched enough to be constantly rubbing in its guideway... but it just kept on running (the engine was also drinking a liter of oil with every tank of gas after my sister ran it dry of oil once). Thin was damn near indestructable. I've heard theories that the slant six almost put dodge outta business due to lack of parts sales and longevity.... >>>Toyota 4-cylinders have been chain-driven since the late 90s (starting >>>with [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >running (the engine was also drinking a liter of oil with every tank of gas >after my sister ran it dry of oil once). Thin was damn near indestructable. > I've heard theories that the slant six almost put dodge outta business due to > lack of parts sales and longevity.... I wouldn't doubt it. When I was a kid, my father owned a '77 Dodge Aspen and our neighbour owned a '79 Plymouth Volare. Both had the slant-6, and both were major pieces of junk. > I've heard theories that the slant six almost put dodge outta business due to > lack of parts sales and longevity.... I'd believe that. I've only ever seen one die - buddy's '69 Valiant threw a rod doing aboud 100km/h on the freeway. Thankfully the engine didn't seize on the spot... #6 had a lovely gaping hole with the bottom of of the rod sticking through about an inch below the sleeve... >>>>Toyota 4-cylinders have been chain-driven since the late 90s (starting >>>>with [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >>running (the engine was also drinking a liter of oil with every tank of gas >>after my sister ran it dry of oil once). Thin was damn near indestructable. > > I was looking at a 2006 Honda Civic and I asked the saleman if the engine > > was a Non-interference engine and I got a blank look > > So guys help me out here...is it or isn't it!....Thanks > > I don't know, but it doesn't matter because the engine uses a timing chain > instead of a belt. Right. Google "saturn timing chain" I'm not saying Honda's as bad. But timing chains do fail. >>> I was looking at a 2006 Honda Civic and I asked the saleman if the engine >>> was a Non-interference engine and I got a blank look [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Right. Google "saturn timing chain" > I'm not saying Honda's as bad. But timing chains do fail. But that is Saturn, which is crap to begin with. I believe I mentioned elsewhere that Toyota's 4-cylinders, for example have been chain-driven for almost a decade, and I am not aware of timing chain failures on those. > I was looking at a 2006 Honda Civic and I asked the saleman if the engine > was a Non-interference engine and I got a blank look > So guys help me out here...is it or isn't it!....Thanks Yeah, it's an interference engine. Uses a timing chain to reduce risk of catastrophic failure. Keep that oil clean. |
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