Greetings!
I'm afraid I might be looking for something that doesn't exist, but
maybe you can tell me!
I want a Honda vehicle, and right now it doesn't matter whether it's a
Civic, Accord, Element, or other size/shape, as long as it has four
wheels/tires and a manual transmission.
The tricky part is that I want it to have been built (not modified) to
run on LPG, and I want to buy it (new or used) in the United States.
Where should I look?
Merry Christmas!
Elisabeth
Art - 16 Dec 2006 16:12 GMT
How about natural gas instead:
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/10/honda_natural_g.html
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> Merry Christmas!
> Elisabeth
Andy & Carol - 16 Dec 2006 18:39 GMT
Manual transmission is very tiresome in bumper to bumper,
rush hour traffic!
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> Merry Christmas!
> Elisabeth
JXStern - 16 Dec 2006 22:27 GMT
This not good enuf for you?
http://automobiles.honda.com/models/specifications_descriptions.asp?ModelName=Ci
vic+GX
Does have an auto - maybe a CVT?
J.
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>Merry Christmas!
>Elisabeth
jim beam - 16 Dec 2006 23:40 GMT
> Greetings!
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> Merry Christmas!
> Elisabeth
search for a civic gx.
jim beam - 17 Dec 2006 00:05 GMT
>> Greetings!
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> search for a civic gx.
ps. why do you want one? the fuel is more expensive, less available,
and has a lower calorific value.
ElisabethBaker - 17 Dec 2006 10:33 GMT
Thanks for your responses!
I have international experience with manual transmission, and a year's
experience with CNG,
so Andy & Carol I know I want manual, and Art, JXStern and Jim Beam I
know I don't want CNG (=natural gas =Civic GX food)
CNG is too inconvenient to find -- I have to spend a lot of time
driving out of my way to get it.
I have driven with LPG (=LP Gas =autogas) in Europe and wonder, Jim
Beam, how you find it more expensive.
I have understood it to be better for the wallet as well as for the
environment.
Maybe worldlpgas.com can give me an idea when/where such a car will be
available here in the US, or if you find anything, please do post me!
Thanks again for your time!
Elisabeth
On Dec 16, 10:55 am, "ElisabethBaker" <Elisabeth.G.Ba...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Honda vehicle...manual transmission...built (not modified) to
> run on LPG...want to buy it (new or used) in the United States.
> Where should I look?
Joe LaVigne - 17 Dec 2006 17:10 GMT
> Thanks for your responses!
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>> run on LPG...want to buy it (new or used) in the United States.
>> Where should I look?
As far as I can tell, Honda does not make a LPG propelled vehicle
(production). At least for the US market.
And the GX does not come in a manual.
I am kind of leary of driving any vehicle with an explosive pressurized
tank, though. Just my own thing, I guess...
jim beam - 17 Dec 2006 17:25 GMT
>> Thanks for your responses!
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> I am kind of leary of driving any vehicle with an explosive pressurized
> tank, though. Just my own thing, I guess...
if you're leery of lpg, how do you feel about hydrogen???
Joe LaVigne - 17 Dec 2006 23:32 GMT
>>> Thanks for your responses!
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> if you're leery of lpg, how do you feel about hydrogen???
The same. Anything that puts a pressurized tank of explosive material in
a position to be impacted in a crash is a little scary to me.
Just having a pressurized tanks of anything is dangerous in a crash. Even
a highly pressurized tank of air being impacted would not be very safe.
jim beam - 18 Dec 2006 02:44 GMT
>>>> Thanks for your responses!
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> Just having a pressurized tanks of anything is dangerous in a crash. Even
> a highly pressurized tank of air being impacted would not be very safe.
personally, i'm a good deal more concerned about hydrogen. i had the
"privilege" to witness a gas cylinder fire with subsequent explosions
one time, from a safe distance, and that was pretty impressive. bits of
metal were flying at least 100m vertically each time one went off and
the evacuation radius was a good two blocks. in a good hydrogen tank
explosion, i wouldn't want to be inside 10 blocks. getting into an
accident with one of those things on the highway? there wouldn't be
much /scene/ left for accident investigation, let alone bits of car.
probably not much point even fitting air bags to one of those things!
Joe LaVigne - 18 Dec 2006 05:03 GMT
> personally, i'm a good deal more concerned about hydrogen. i had the
> "privilege" to witness a gas cylinder fire with subsequent explosions
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> much /scene/ left for accident investigation, let alone bits of car.
> probably not much point even fitting air bags to one of those things!
And what's the point of an investigation if everyone involved in the crash
is placed into buckets?
jim beam - 18 Dec 2006 05:32 GMT
>> personally, i'm a good deal more concerned about hydrogen. i had the
>> "privilege" to witness a gas cylinder fire with subsequent explosions
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> And what's the point of an investigation if everyone involved in the crash
> is placed into buckets?
dude, there wouldn't be enough bits left to put in a bucket...
the point of accident investigation, whether it be plane crashes, car
crashes, crane collapses, whatever, is to prevent recurrence. it's hard
to do that when evidence is vaporized.
Michael Pardee - 18 Dec 2006 13:00 GMT
> personally, i'm a good deal more concerned about hydrogen. i had the
> "privilege" to witness a gas cylinder fire with subsequent explosions one
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> /scene/ left for accident investigation, let alone bits of car. probably
> not much point even fitting air bags to one of those things!
In the late '70s there was a hydrogen leak at a transfer station in uptown
Phoenix (Indian School near 21st Ave, for the locals). A cryo tanker was on-
or off-loading when the leak appeared. The fire department evacuated a half
mile radius IIRC. The big concern was a BLEVE, which is not literally a
concern with pressurized gases but is a concern with liquified gases. A
propane BLEVE involving a railroad tank car in Kingman in July 1973 helped
everybody take that seriously.
Mike
Newhope - 07 Jan 2007 15:40 GMT
Should check this out.
www.teslamotors.com
Well, your (dream) car does exist, however, the important question still
remains, can you afford it?
To me, I would go with a Honda Civic then whenTesta price goes down to the
point of more affordable and more service station in the U.S. Continent (like
it is in Europe) then I get me one.
>Greetings!
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>Merry Christmas!
>Elisabeth