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Car Forum / Honda Cars / December 2006Automatic Transmission Problem?
Hey, I have a 1992 Honda Civic DX automatic with 110,000 miles on it. The car runs and drives great except for a slight transmission problem. When coming up to a stop, if i down shift from D4 to D3 its fine, from D3 to 2nd its fine, but from 2nd to 1st the trans will grind or clunk. The owners manual says that it is perfectly fine to up shift and down shift, it even says i can operate this trans like a manual without a clutch. So is the noise normal or am I harming the transmission and has anyone else had this experience? Thanks in advance! Paul > Hey, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > clutch. So is the noise normal or am I harming the transmission and > has anyone else had this experience? Thanks in advance! Not totally sure what your purpose is in doing this, but I would NEVER shift into first like this unless totally stopped. Generally, when downshifting a manual transmission, you rev the engine so that when you shift into the lower gear, you are matching the engine speed to what the transmission can handle. With an automatic, that doesn't happen and a so you have no idea what engine speed will be (and therefore transmission speed) when you 'downshift'. I would say you should stop doing this, and if you want to shift yourself, buy a car with a manual trans. Dan D '07 Odyssey Slate Green '04 Audi A4 quattro 6-speed >> Hey, >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > doing this, and if you want to shift yourself, buy a car with a manual > trans. the transmission is protected - it won't allow shifts that damage it. > the transmission is protected - it won't allow shifts that damage it. Perhaps - but are you saying that a 'grind' or 'clunk' is normal? I don't think so. And if the transmission is starting to develop problems, then manually shifting it certainly won't help it. Again, I would let it perform as designed and shift for itself - that's the best way to protect it. Dan D '07 Odyssey >> the transmission is protected - it won't allow shifts that damage it. > > Perhaps - but are you saying that a 'grind' or 'clunk' is normal? I > don't think so. And if the transmission is starting to develop > problems, then manually shifting it certainly won't help it. how does that work? you're not actuating anything in the box by moving the shift lever - all you're doing is changing from autonomous shift control to non-autonomous. all internals of the box function /exactly/ as before. if there is a "clunk" it's more likely a broken engine mount. or maybe a worn driveshaft or final drive, but the driver alone can't influence how the shifter mechanism behaves to make a noise like that - that bit is fully automatic under all conditions. /and/ there are safety over-rides to protect it from driver mistakes. > Again, I > would let it perform as designed and shift for itself - that's the best > way to protect it. > > Dan D > '07 Odyssey I agree with what you say, and yes the trans is protected, it specifically explains in the manual what you said, but the cluck and sometimes a grind only happens when i manually shift. Don't get me wrong, 99% of the time i let the trans shift on its own, but if the trans is developing problems wouldn't they be there all the time? again i cant figure out why it grinds only when i manually shift. > >> the transmission is protected - it won't allow shifts that damage it. > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Dan D > > '07 Odyssey > I agree with what you say, and yes the trans is protected, it > specifically explains in the manual what you said, but the cluck and > sometimes a grind only happens when i manually shift. Don't get me > wrong, 99% of the time i let the trans shift on its own, but if the > trans is developing problems wouldn't they be there all the time? again > i cant figure out why it grinds only when i manually shift. is it a "grind" like when your cousin drives your stick and doesn't use the clutch properly, or some other kind of noise? i ask because there is no mechanism inside the transmission that really allows for "grind" unless it's major failure. and have you checked the motor mounts? >>>> the transmission is protected - it won't allow shifts that damage it. >>> Perhaps - but are you saying that a 'grind' or 'clunk' is normal? I [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >>> Dan D >>> '07 Odyssey I guess "grind" wasnt the best word, its more like a cluck, not very loud and i can feel it too. you say to check the motor mounts, are you thinking that when i downshift the motor is, i guess, "rocking" and making a cluck? That would explain why i can sort of feel it. Also, how would i check the mounts? Just put a socket on them and tighten the bolts? > > I agree with what you say, and yes the trans is protected, it > > specifically explains in the manual what you said, but the cluck and [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >>> Dan D > >>> '07 Odyssey > I guess "grind" wasnt the best word, its more like a cluck, not very > loud and i can feel it too. you say to check the motor mounts, are you > thinking that when i downshift the motor is, i guess, "rocking" and > making a cluck? that's it. > That would explain why i can sort of feel it. Also, > how would i check the mounts? Just put a socket on them and tighten the > bolts? put it in park [on level ground], lift the hood, and with the parking brake OFF, rock the car back and forth. you'll see the motor move and the cracks should open up to be visible. if you can get an angle to see them. if not, you might need to have an assistant help you rock the car while you poke about with a mirror. >>> I agree with what you say, and yes the trans is protected, it >>> specifically explains in the manual what you said, but the cluck and [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >>>>> Dan D >>>>> '07 Odyssey Should the motor mounts be totally replaced? Or is it just a case of them loosening up over the years? > > I guess "grind" wasnt the best word, its more like a cluck, not very > > loud and i can feel it too. you say to check the motor mounts, are you [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > >>>>> Dan D > >>>>> '07 Odyssey > Should the motor mounts be totally replaced? Or is it just a case of > them loosening up over the years? replaced - the rubber breaks apart. usually you can get away with just the rear and front [if yours has a front]. also check for gotchas like bent exhaust touching chassis, loose heat shields, etc. >>> I guess "grind" wasnt the best word, its more like a cluck, not very >>> loud and i can feel it too. you say to check the motor mounts, are you [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] >>>>>>> Dan D >>>>>>> '07 Odyssey |
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