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Car Forum / Honda Cars / May 2007Major Service Intervals for '94 Civic EX
I'm interested in buying a '94 Civic EX sedan. I assume this is the 125hp motor. What is Honda's schedule for replacing the timing belt and water pump? Do dealers ever do just the belt? It was supposedly serviced and the belt replaced at 94k, now has 140k on it, and I'm not sure the water pump was ever changed. What would a Honda dealer have done at 60k and 90k miles? > I'm interested in buying a '94 Civic EX sedan. I assume this is the > 125hp motor. What is Honda's schedule for replacing the timing belt and > water pump? Do dealers ever do just the belt? It was supposedly serviced > and the belt replaced at 94k, now has 140k on it, and I'm not sure the > water pump was ever changed. What would a Honda dealer have done at 60k > and 90k miles? Go here: https://techinfo.honda.com/rjanisis/logon.asp Choose "Owner's Manuals" from the menu at left, then navigate to your car. No login required. This will bring up the Owner's Manual for the '94 Civic. This manual will contain the maintenance schedule. The water pump should be replaced at the same time as the belt. If this is the car's second change, the tensioner should be replaced as well.  SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >> I'm interested in buying a '94 Civic EX sedan. I assume this is the >>125hp motor. What is Honda's schedule for replacing the timing belt and [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > The water pump should be replaced at the same time as the belt. If this is > the car's second change, the tensioner should be replaced as well. Thanks for the link and info. >> I'm interested in buying a '94 Civic EX sedan. I assume this is the >>125hp motor. What is Honda's schedule for replacing the timing belt and [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > The water pump should be replaced at the same time as the belt. If this is > the car's second change, the tensioner should be replaced as well. I just checked that online manual, and unless the dealer was proactive, the water pump was only "inspected," Great... > I just checked that online manual, and unless the dealer was > proactive, the water pump was only "inspected," Great... ------------------------- In Canada the dealers will tell you just about anything you need to know. You walk in and tell the service writer that 'Joe' is selling / has sold you his car and you know THEY serviced it, (you provide the VIN) and eventually you walk out with reprints of the work orders that they have. You can find the exact date it was sold and the dealership's number too. Done it about 6 times. 'Curly' >> I just checked that online manual, and unless the dealer was >> proactive, the water pump was only "inspected," Great... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > 'Curly' As I wrote earlier, I'll be looking at a fax of a service order tomorrow. The car was bought and serviced on the other side of the country from where it is (and I am) now, so it's not as easy. Basically I wanted to know how likely it was that the water pump was ever replaced, and I'm disappointed to learn that Honda didn't give a specific mileage for doing it, like every 90k miles. This gives cheapskate owners a reason to skimp on service, and then act aggrieved when I deduct the $600 for that service they never had done, from my offer... >>> I'm interested in buying a '94 Civic EX sedan. I assume this is >>> the [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > I just checked that online manual, and unless the dealer was > proactive, the water pump was only "inspected," Great... "Inspected" would mean the mechanic spun the pulley by hand to see how it felt. You can tell if the pump's going bad just by doing that. Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes if the coolant is changed according to the severe schedule, and with OEM fluid. IF... The reason you change it every belt change is because you have to pull the timing belt off to get at it in the first place, so the labor is mostly the same. But, with a $60 part charge, $20 for coolant, and maybe an additional hour's labor ($180 total for the pump), there's considerable incentive for customers to skimp on the pump. Dealers will change just the pump if that's what you want, but it's been my experience that they will try to talk you into doing the pump too, which is a great idea, regardless of the perceived "ripoff" factor. I guess Honda assumes everybody will use Honda coolant and change it when they're supposed to. If you have no documented proof that the pump was changed, just keep an ear/eye on your engine, especially at startup. If there are no strange squealing noises, no coolant leaks on the ground at the timing belt end, your pump is still OK. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >>>> I'm interested in buying a '94 Civic EX sedan. I assume this is >>>> the [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > squealing noises, no coolant leaks on the ground at the timing belt end, > your pump is still OK. Yeah, that's the plan, but I sure wish other people were more like me. I have the oil seals done with the belt and pump, if the mileage is over 100k. My '86 CIvic Si (bought new) is 22 years old and still runs fine... > Yeah, that's the plan, but I sure wish other people were more > like > me. I have the oil seals done with the belt and pump, if the mileage > is over 100k. My '86 CIvic Si (bought new) is 22 years old and still > runs fine... Then you've got five years on me. I bought my '91 Integra new as well. It has almost 288,000 miles on it as of today. I figure I'm sort of in competition with my long-dead Daddy. He got 140,000 miles out of his '58 Dodge, and I've doubled that. So far... SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >> Yeah, that's the plan, but I sure wish other people were more >> like [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I figure I'm sort of in competition with my long-dead Daddy. He got 140,000 > miles out of his '58 Dodge, and I've doubled that. So far... I win on age, but you win on mileage. My Civic has only 146k on it. I'm thinking of selling her now. Any interest out there? > Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes if the > coolant is > changed according to the severe schedule, and with OEM > fluid. IF... Where'd you hear this or see it specified? >>Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes if the >>coolant is >>changed according to the severe schedule, and with OEM >>fluid. IF... > > Where'd you hear this or see it specified? I think he's going by experience. That's a pretty common assumption for more than one make. The only problem with it is that people who use the specified coolant and change it regularly are the ones who usually have the water pump changed with every timing belt. And, worse, vice versa. >> Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes if the >> coolant is >> changed according to the severe schedule, and with OEM >> fluid. IF... > > Where'd you hear this or see it specified? honda don't specify a pump change, they specify inspection. based on my experience, a pump will last a good deal longer than a belt. the urban tradition of change is that of economics - for $45 extra bucks and you're already in there, why not? personally, i inspect if it's first change, but i have the tools and experience to do the job myself. >>> Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes if the coolant is >>> changed according to the severe schedule, and with OEM fluid. IF... [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > personally, i inspect if it's first change, but i have the tools and > experience to do the job myself. My experience with older Honda Civics (Gen 1 & 2) is that a waterpump's life span is about the same as a belt. In fact, I have had to cheat to get one to last as long as a belt by squirting the shaft with motor oil in ever increasing frequency. My record for water pump life extension was about 7,000 miles and it was growling pretty good... JT "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in news:7Da5i.18526 $3P3.17332@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net: >> Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes if the >> coolant is >> changed according to the severe schedule, and with OEM >> fluid. IF... > > Where'd you hear this or see it specified? This is generally what my mechanic sees. He does NOT recommend actually leaving it in for two changes though. Too risky, since almost nobody's cooling system is maintained properly. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in news:Xns993A8147BE528tegger@ 207.14.116.130: > "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in news:7Da5i.18526 > $3P3.17332@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > He does NOT recommend actually leaving it in for two changes though. Too > risky, since almost nobody's cooling system is maintained properly. Sorry, this observation was based on a 60K-mile belt replacement interval, not the max interval of 105K. My bad. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >>>> Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes if >>>> the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > replacement interval, > not the max interval of 105K. My bad. Pardon? So what's this mechanic's counsel for my 91 Civic (interval of six years/90k miles on the timing belt)? "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in news:qxk5i.14669 $j63.9339@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net: >>>>> Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes if >>>>> the [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Pardon? So what's this mechanic's counsel for my 91 Civic > (interval of six years/90k miles on the timing belt)? Replace the pump every time you do the timing belt. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in > news:qxk5i.14669 [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Replace the pump every time you do the timing belt. Even w/perfect maintenance of the cooling system? (Sorry; that's the main point to me.) >> "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in >> news:qxk5i.14669 [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Even w/perfect maintenance of the cooling system? (Sorry; > that's the main point to me.) The pump is a very inexpensive item. $50 or so. It isn't worth not doing, IMO, since it takes minimal extra effort or money. >>> "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in >>> news:qxk5i.14669 [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > worth not doing, > IMO, since it takes minimal extra effort or money. *&^%$# This is repeated ad nauseam here. For the cheap DIYers, I want Tegger's response. :-) "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote Others-- >>> Even w/perfect maintenance of the cooling system? >>> (Sorry; [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > :-) Plus I recall Jim Beam posting something about how certain models' water pumps could go forever, in his estimation. Do not lecture me about rolling the dice. My 91 Civic maint repair experiences are less a pain and more an adventure. JT, I know you know what I mean. Still smiling. > "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote > Others-- [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Plus I recall Jim Beam posting something about how certain > models' water pumps could go forever, in his estimation. did i say that? honda pumps are very high quality, and the 305K crx i had i got cheap because the pump which had never been changed finally gave out, but that's not "forever". i'm happy to just use inspection on my own vehicles, but i can get in there and do my own work. if you're paying someone else hundreds of dollars to do the job, $45 for a pump is immaterial so you may as well do it. > Do not lecture me about rolling the dice. My 91 Civic maint > repair experiences are less a pain and more an adventure. > JT, I know you know what I mean. > > Still smiling. snip My 91 Civic maint > repair experiences are less a pain and more an adventure. > JT, I know you know what I mean. > > Still smiling. I'll betcha that my maintenance tasks are simpler than yours! How much work to change the alternator/AC compressor on your ride? <GGG> JT > snip > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I'll betcha that my maintenance tasks are simpler than > yours! Yes, no doubt. :-) > How much work to change the alternator/AC compressor on > your ride? I have not done the alternator myself yet. I bet I have to place a jack strategically to get the necessary clearance, per others' reports on Hondas c. 1991. No AC on my 4-banger. "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in news:oCl5i.9834 $296.699@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net: >>>> Replace the pump every time you do the timing belt. >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > *&^%$# This is repeated ad nauseam here. For the cheap > DIYers, I want Tegger's response. That's basically what my guy says too. It's not worth cheaping out on the few extra bucks for the new water pump. I am also reminded that Honda water pumps tend to be driven by the timing belt, so seizures can be very costly. Some cars are different, such as our '99 Tercel (this is the one with the 60K belt interval). In that car the water pump is driven by a regular accessory drive belt and is accessible without removing the timing belt. In that case you can risk extending the pump change interval. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >>"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in >>news:qxk5i.14669 [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Even w/perfect maintenance of the cooling system? (Sorry; > that's the main point to me.) 90K on the water pump on any vehicle is pushing the envelope to a degree. On your (and others) car where the pump is driven by the timing belt, this is even more important. On the old tin that I drive, the water pump shares the same belt as the alternator and is relatively easy to change but still is easier when the timing belt is replaced. JT > Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in news:Xns993A8147BE528tegger@ > 207.14.116.130: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Sorry, this observation was based on a 60K-mile belt replacement interval, > not the max interval of 105K. My bad. Just thought I'd jump in here with an update: the faxed receipts, which I sincerely hope were real, showed the water pump being replaced as well. I left a deposit on the car. It's got some minor cosmetic flaws, but zero rust and it's only $3k. Wish me luck. > I'm interested in buying a '94 Civic EX sedan. I assume this is the > 125hp motor. What is Honda's schedule for replacing the timing belt and > water pump? Do dealers ever do just the belt? It was supposedly serviced > and the belt replaced at 94k, now has 140k on it, and I'm not sure the > water pump was ever changed. What would a Honda dealer have done at 60k > and 90k miles? unless you have a genuine service record, you cant assume /anything/ was done on schedule. there's no reason why this can't be a perfectly fine vehicle but you must pay a price that reflects the need to spend money taking care of what's not definitely been maintained. >> I'm interested in buying a '94 Civic EX sedan. I assume this is the >> 125hp motor. What is Honda's schedule for replacing the timing belt [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > vehicle but you must pay a price that reflects the need to spend money > taking care of what's not definitely been maintained. I understand. I'll be looking at a fax of a dealer service stop, and making an offer according to what it still needs. |
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