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Dan C - 12 Jul 2007 14:00 GMT
Hello all,

First day as a new Honda owner.  Got a (new) 2007 Accord EX for my
daughter yesterday, and we are quite happy with it.  Just a really well
built car.

One feature I'm surprised to not see is the "auto-door-lock" function.
This is where all the doors lock as the vehicle reaches a certain speed
(15-20 mph) after the doors have been opened.  I'm used to it on all my
Dodge vehicles, and didn't even think to ask about it on this one.  Am I
missing something, or is this feature really not here?

Anyway, I also got the 8 year, 100K mile, 0 deductible warranty on it, so
am looking forward to many years of trouble-free operation.  Glad to be a
Honda owner!

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Unquestionably Confused - 12 Jul 2007 14:44 GMT
> One feature I'm surprised to not see is the "auto-door-lock" function.
> This is where all the doors lock as the vehicle reaches a certain speed
> (15-20 mph) after the doors have been opened.  I'm used to it on all my
> Dodge vehicles, and didn't even think to ask about it on this one.  Am I
> missing something, or is this feature really not here?

If you find it, let me know but I don't think it's there.  I broke with
tradition<g> and actually looked through the manual and was unable to
find that feature for my 2006 Accord.

You're right about one thing, though.  Great cars!
Dan C - 14 Jul 2007 04:10 GMT
>> One feature I'm surprised to not see is the "auto-door-lock" function.
>> This is where all the doors lock as the vehicle reaches a certain speed
>> (15-20 mph) after the doors have been opened.  I'm used to it on all my
>> Dodge vehicles, and didn't even think to ask about it on this one.  Am I
>> missing something, or is this feature really not here?

> If you find it, let me know but I don't think it's there.  I broke with
> tradition<g> and actually looked through the manual and was unable to
> find that feature for my 2006 Accord.

Thanks, I will.

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bob zee - 12 Jul 2007 14:54 GMT
> One feature I'm surprised to not see is the "auto-door-lock" function.
> This is where all the doors lock as the vehicle reaches a certain speed
> (15-20 mph) after the doors have been opened.  I'm used to it on all my
> Dodge vehicles, and didn't even think to ask about it on this one.  Am I
> missing something, or is this feature really not here?

I would not have purchased my 2004 Accord EX-L if it had this
feature.  What purpose does it serve?  If you need your doors locked,
hit the button right before you put on your seatbelt.

Automatically locking doors ranks right up there with DRL's.  I won't
buy a car with these pseudo-safety features.

As an aside, yes, wear my seatbelt (always have and always will) and
no, i do not support a seat belt law.

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> "Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".

agreed!!!
:~)>

bob z.
Dan C - 14 Jul 2007 04:09 GMT
>> One feature I'm surprised to not see is the "auto-door-lock" function.
>> This is where all the doors lock as the vehicle reaches a certain speed
>> (15-20 mph) after the doors have been opened.  I'm used to it on all my
>> Dodge vehicles, and didn't even think to ask about it on this one.  Am
>> I missing something, or is this feature really not here?

> I would not have purchased my 2004 Accord EX-L if it had this feature.

That's nice.  What does that have to do with my question?

> What purpose does it serve?

It locks the doors without any required action by the driver/passengers,
as the name of the function would seem to imply...

> If you need your doors locked, hit the button right before you put on
> your seatbelt.

Yeah.  No sh.t.  What does that have to do with my question?

> Automatically locking doors ranks right up there with DRL's.  I won't
> buy a car with these pseudo-safety features.

Again, your (unrequested) opinion is noted.

In the future, don't bother replying to a question of mine, if you don't
know the answer.  Have a good one.

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honda owner - 14 Jul 2007 15:18 GMT
I love it... an owner with an attitude !!   Dare anyone say something
he doesn't like.
Dan C - 14 Jul 2007 23:09 GMT
On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 09:18:08 -0500,  wrote:

> I love it... an owner with an attitude !!   Dare anyone say something
> he doesn't like.

Whatever.  It's notable that you snipped the entire post, and don't bother
actually addressing anything.  Was there something inaccurate or wrong
about my points?

Didn't think so.

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E Meyer - 12 Jul 2007 15:26 GMT
On 7/12/07 8:00 AM, in article pan.2007.07.12.13.00.45.438928@lan.invalid,

> Hello all,
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> am looking forward to many years of trouble-free operation.  Glad to be a
> Honda owner!

As far as I know, that is a American-mfr-only feature.  Never encountered it
on any Japanese cars.  Personally, I find it irritating and useless.  I
would spend some time researching how to disable it if it showed up on any
of my cars.
Rick Blaine - 12 Jul 2007 16:22 GMT
> On 7/12/07 8:00 AM, in article pan.2007.07.12.13.00.45.438928@lan.invalid,

>> One feature I'm surprised to not see is the "auto-door-lock" function.
>> This is where all the doors lock as the vehicle reaches a certain speed
>> (15-20 mph) after the doors have been opened.  I'm used to it on all my
>> Dodge vehicles, and didn't even think to ask about it on this one.  Am I
>> missing something, or is this feature really not here?

> As far as I know, that is a American-mfr-only feature.  Never encountered
> it
> on any Japanese cars.  Personally, I find it irritating and useless.  I
> would spend some time researching how to disable it if it showed up on any
> of my cars.

My '00 Toyota Avalon XLS had it and it was a real PIA.

On stopping, the driver's door could be opened but before any passenger door
could open, they (or the driver) had to hit the unlock button.
who - 24 Jul 2007 02:56 GMT
> My '00 Toyota Avalon XLS had it and it was a real PIA.
>
> On stopping, the driver's door could be opened but before any passenger door
> could open, they (or the driver) had to hit the unlock button.
Yes I wouldn't like that.
My wife's 2001 Chrysler Sebring has auto locking doors to prevent
outside access, but one can always open the doors from the inside,
except the rear doors it the child proof setting is activated.
My mid 90s Chrysler has auto locking, but it needs to be activated by
the dealer.
I hadn't been in favor of the feature until a few years ago when car
jacking started becoming a problem.
Dan C - 14 Jul 2007 04:05 GMT
> As far as I know, that is a American-mfr-only feature.  Never encountered it
> on any Japanese cars.  Personally, I find it irritating and useless.  I
> would spend some time researching how to disable it if it showed up on any
> of my cars.

Thanks for your opinion.  I find it a useful feature, whether you do or
not.

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E Meyer - 14 Jul 2007 15:54 GMT
On 7/13/07 10:05 PM, in article pan.2007.07.14.03.05.09.605016@lan.invalid,

>> As far as I know, that is a American-mfr-only feature.  Never encountered it
>> on any Japanese cars.  Personally, I find it irritating and useless.  I
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Thanks for your opinion.  I find it a useful feature, whether you do or
> not.

I'm curious - what do you find useful about it?

As near as I can tell, all it does is force the emergency response team to
have to break into the car to get you out after the crash.
Dave Kelsen - 14 Jul 2007 20:58 GMT
On 7/14/2007 9:54 AM E Meyer spake these words of knowledge:

> On 7/13/07 10:05 PM, in article pan.2007.07.14.03.05.09.605016@lan.invalid,
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> As near as I can tell, all it does is force the emergency response team to
> have to break into the car to get you out after the crash.

Having your door locked can help to ensure that your door does not open
when you did not intend it to.

This can be very useful in the event of a crash.

It can also be useful in a situation where others may open your door
when you did not intend to have it opened, such as when you are in heavy
traffic in NYC.

As a result of these simple facts, I lock my door every time I get in
it, with the same automatic repetitiveness as buckling my seatbelt.  If
it were automatically done, it would save me having to do it.  I fail to
see why or how it can be a problem, or why it should even be a question.

RFT!!!
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Michael Pardee - 14 Jul 2007 21:39 GMT
> Having your door locked can help to ensure that your door does not open
> when you did not intend it to.
>
> This can be very useful in the event of a crash.

That advice is a generation or two out of date. Before the '60s there were
no significant standards for either door latches or door locks and door
locks could possibly improve door integrity in an accident. Since the
implementation of US NHTSA standards c. 1963 door locks were not relevant to
latch integrity. If you look at a lock in any car since the late 60s you
will see it only affects how the release levers actuate the latch and does
not affect the holding mechanism. In the NHTSA's study of Rollover
Mitigation http://tinyurl.com/2q9xc9 the report acknowledges the role of
door latches but not door locks in preventing partial ejection.

> It can also be useful in a situation where others may open your door when
> you did not intend to have it opened, such as when you are in heavy
> traffic in NYC.

That is useful. You should always lock your doors when people present more
of a threat than traffic and terrain do. Otherwise, my take is that we are
somewhat safer with the doors unlocked. As a first-aider, I dread the
thought of coming across a car fire with entrapment and finding the doors
locked or jammed. I can deal with other problems better if I don't lose time
trying to establish an exit route. And it is important to remember that
central locking and unlocking depends on electricity. If anything has
happened in the accident to kill power (like the battery was destroyed on
impact) rear doors are going to stay closed until somebody can get to the
locks manually... and much longer than that if child locks are active.

> As a result of these simple facts, I lock my door every time I get in it,
> with the same automatic repetitiveness as buckling my seatbelt.  If it
> were automatically done, it would save me having to do it.  I fail to see
> why or how it can be a problem, or why it should even be a question.

You are entitled to your opinion. I'm just glad none of my cars have the
"feature." Doing it manually when you feel it is valuable makes sense,
having the car do it stupidly does not.

Mike
Dan C - 14 Jul 2007 23:07 GMT
>> Thanks for your opinion.  I find it a useful feature, whether you do or
>> not.

> I'm curious - what do you find useful about it?

As some others have already explained some of the reasons, I'll just add
one more.  I said in my original post that it was my daughter's car, she's
a college student, and it makes me feel safer knowing her doors are
locked, even if she doesn't always think to lock them (manually).

> As near as I can tell, all it does is force the emergency response team
> to have to break into the car to get you out after the crash.

I suppose that could happen, but thinking like that, you had better not
even go out the front door of the house.  You might get hit by a bus.

As for breaking into the car, it's not very difficult to break a window,
especially for well-equipped emergency personnel.

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Michael Pardee - 15 Jul 2007 00:27 GMT
> As for breaking into the car, it's not very difficult to break a window,
> especially for well-equipped emergency personnel.

I am one of those pathetically prepared people who are always mindful of
such things. I am aware that I rarely carry anything that can break a car
window, although if I have no alternative I have a small pocketknife that
would have an outside chance if I hit hard enough near an edge. Tempered
glass is amazingly tough.

It is really only an issue in fires and potential fires, since the other
crisis - submersion - requires a window to be opened before a door can be
opened anyway. For other accidents it is almost always better to leave
everybody where they are and protect the scene until the pros get there.
Moving accident victims gives me the shivers.

Mike
Elliot Richmond - 15 Jul 2007 04:56 GMT
>> As for breaking into the car, it's not very difficult to break a window,
>> especially for well-equipped emergency personnel.
>
>I am one of those pathetically prepared people who are always mindful of
>such things.

On a recent Mythbusters episode, the crew thoroughly tested several
myths about submerged cars, windows, etc. Among other things they
found was that a power window unit continued to work for 45 minutes
after the door was submerged.  That surprised me. One other
interesting thing they found was that those emergency hammer gadgets
you sometimes see advertised on cable that are supposed to break
windows actually work exactly as advertised. The hammer head is a
sharpened cone. Even under water, bashing the side window with one of
the things caused the window to disintegrate into little cubes of
glass.

http://www.lifehammer.com/

Elliot Richmond
Itinerant astronomy teacher
Michael Pardee - 15 Jul 2007 06:28 GMT
>>I am one of those pathetically prepared people who are always mindful of
>>such things.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Elliot Richmond
> Itinerant astronomy teacher

Those devices have actually been a normal tool for at least as long as I
have been working - back in the '70s when I had to do simple metalwork an
automatic center punch http://tinyurl.com/2ptt5x was indispensible. I don't
have one any more, though - I don't like metalwork!

As long as the battery isn't damaged the power windows (and locks, if the
controller hasn't wigged out) should continue to work for some time when
submerged. Even ocean water isn't a great conductor compared to the
admittance of a window motor.

Mike
MAT - 17 Jul 2007 23:57 GMT
> On a recent Mythbusters episode, the crew thoroughly tested several
> myths about submerged cars, windows, etc. Among other things they
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Elliot Richmond
> Itinerant astronomy teacher

Seems like a good idea to me, it was in the news some weeks back that a lady
and her kids drowned in their mini van after it rolled into a pond.  Is it
true that the tip of a spark plug (electrode broken off I reckon) will do
the same thing?  I've got enough old plugs, maybe I'll tie one to a piece of
wood?
Elliot Richmond - 18 Jul 2007 00:26 GMT
>Seems like a good idea to me, it was in the news some weeks back that a lady
>and her kids drowned in their mini van after it rolled into a pond.  Is it
>true that the tip of a spark plug (electrode broken off I reckon) will do
>the same thing?  I've got enough old plugs, maybe I'll tie one to a piece of
>wood?

Probably but the hammer gadget is cheap, widely available, and also
has a blade for cutting a stuck seat belt (in an emergency), so why
not just get one of them.

Ace Hardware has 'em.

Elliot Richmond
Itinerant astronomy teacher
Seth - 18 Jul 2007 01:10 GMT
>>Seems like a good idea to me, it was in the news some weeks back that a
>>lady
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> has a blade for cutting a stuck seat belt (in an emergency), so why
> not just get one of them.

Agreed!  I got some nifty ones awhile back from www.surpluscomputers.com 
that also have an LED flashlight built in.
Fathergoose - 15 Jul 2007 02:03 GMT
>> As far as I know, that is a American-mfr-only feature.  Never encountered
>> it
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Thanks for your opinion.  I find it a useful feature, whether you do or
> not.

=================
I test drove a Honda CRV 7-14-07 and it had that feature.
Bill
Andy - 12 Jul 2007 16:25 GMT
> Hello all,
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> am looking forward to many years of trouble-free operation.  Glad to be a
> Honda owner!

Congratuations on your purchase! She is not a Dodge...you won't
need that warranty, take care of it , and you will never look back!
Joe LaVigne - 12 Jul 2007 18:29 GMT
> One feature I'm surprised to not see is the "auto-door-lock" function.
> This is where all the doors lock as the vehicle reaches a certain speed
> (15-20 mph) after the doors have been opened.  I'm used to it on all my
> Dodge vehicles, and didn't even think to ask about it on this one.  Am I
> missing something, or is this feature really not here?

Did you think to look in the owner's manual?

It is there, but you have to set it...
Joe LaVigne - 12 Jul 2007 18:41 GMT
>> One feature I'm surprised to not see is the "auto-door-lock" function.
>> This is where all the doors lock as the vehicle reaches a certain speed
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> It is there, but you have to set it...

Just a clarification, in case I was wrong ;-), I have an 06 Civic Si, and
this feature is, indeed, available on the civic line by following a simple
procedure with the ignition and the door lock switch.  It is possible that
it isn't there for an Accord, but that would seem very odd to me...
JXStern - 12 Jul 2007 19:49 GMT
>> Did you think to look in the owner's manual?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>procedure with the ignition and the door lock switch.  It is possible that
>it isn't there for an Accord, but that would seem very odd to me...

Can't seem to find it online, I'll try to remember to check it next
time I'm in the car.  Not that I want it, but I'm curious.  Anybody
want to buy my unused cruise control? :)

J.
Joe LaVigne - 12 Jul 2007 22:18 GMT
>>> Did you think to look in the owner's manual?
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> time I'm in the car.  Not that I want it, but I'm curious.  Anybody
> want to buy my unused cruise control? :)

LOL.  

The procedure is not a very straightforward one.  Something like turn the
key to II, push down the lock button for 10 seconds, or something like
that.

As for cruise, I use mine daily.  Good for mileage, and keeps me from going
75 on the highway.  The Si is just too easy to get going good and
fast...   ;-)
JXStern - 13 Jul 2007 00:45 GMT
>> Can't seem to find it online, I'll try to remember to check it next
>> time I'm in the car.  Not that I want it, but I'm curious.  Anybody
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>75 on the highway.  The Si is just too easy to get going good and
>fast...   ;-)

Nope, don't see it in the 2007 Accord EX book.

But I do see a warning about pulling out the ignition key while the
car is in motion.

J.
Say What? - 13 Jul 2007 01:59 GMT
>> As for cruise, I use mine daily.  Good for mileage, and keeps me from going
>> 75 on the highway.  The Si is just too easy to get going good and
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> But I do see a warning about pulling out the ignition key while the
> car is in motion.

Yep, that would result in a different kind of lock up.  Not very good
one at that.

I, too, double-checked my owner's manual.  No mention that I could find
anywhere of automatic locking of the doors on the 2006 Accord.
Dan C - 14 Jul 2007 04:03 GMT
>> Nope, don't see it in the 2007 Accord EX book.

> I, too, double-checked my owner's manual.  No mention that I could find
> anywhere of automatic locking of the doors on the 2006 Accord.

Thanks.  Strange that it apparently *is* there on the Civic, but not the
Accord.  Oh well.

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Dan C - 14 Jul 2007 04:03 GMT
> Nope, don't see it in the 2007 Accord EX book.

Thanks.  I didn't see it either, but was wondering if it was perhaps a
"secret undocumented feature"...  

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Unquestionably Confused - 12 Jul 2007 20:01 GMT
Joe LaVigne, wrote the following at or about 7/12/2007 12:29 PM:

>> One feature I'm surprised to not see is the "auto-door-lock" function.
>> This is where all the doors lock as the vehicle reaches a certain speed
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> It is there, but you have to set it...

I THOUGHT I'd scoured the 2006 Accord owner's manual front to back for
it and never found it.  I'll try again as I'm one of those (perhaps in
the minority) that likes that feature.  Then again, as you say, it may
only be on the Civic line.  Oh well.  Thanks!
Dan C - 14 Jul 2007 04:01 GMT
>> One feature I'm surprised to not see is the "auto-door-lock" function.
>> This is where all the doors lock as the vehicle reaches a certain speed
>> (15-20 mph) after the doors have been opened.  I'm used to it on all my
>> Dodge vehicles, and didn't even think to ask about it on this one.  Am I
>> missing something, or is this feature really not here?

> Did you think to look in the owner's manual?

Yeah, I did.

> It is there, but you have to set it...

It's not there.  If you're gonna make smart-a.s replies, be sure you're
right first, so you don't look like a fool in public.

Thanks anyway.

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Joe LaVigne - 14 Jul 2007 04:29 GMT
>>> One feature I'm surprised to not see is the "auto-door-lock" function.
>>> This is where all the doors lock as the vehicle reaches a certain speed
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Thanks anyway.

Hey, look, you're just as much of an a.shole here as you are in the Ubuntu
group...   If you'd have bothered to look, I followed up directly to that
post, and was the only one here who tried to actually address your
question.

What a douche...
Dan C - 14 Jul 2007 23:02 GMT
>>> Did you think to look in the owner's manual?

>> Yeah, I did.

>>> It is there, but you have to set it...

>> It's not there.  If you're gonna make smart-a.s replies, be sure you're
>> right first, so you don't look like a fool in public.
>> Thanks anyway.

> Hey, look, you're just as much of an a.shole here as you are in the Ubuntu
> group...   If you'd have bothered to look, I followed up directly to that
> post, and was the only one here who tried to actually address your
> question.

Yep, I saw your second reply later, after I saw/replied to the first one.
As for "addressing my question", you were completely wrong with your
answer, so it doesn't count for much.

> What a douche...

Yeah.  Namecalling.  Who's the a.shole, again?

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Joe LaVigne - 15 Jul 2007 00:54 GMT
>>>> Did you think to look in the owner's manual?
>  
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> Yeah.  Namecalling.  Who's the a.shole, again?

Past experience is clear on this, you are a clear winner here, Danny Boy...
Dan C - 15 Jul 2007 02:10 GMT
>>> Hey, look, you're just as much of an a.shole here as you are in the
>>> Ubuntu group...   If you'd have bothered to look, I followed up
>>> directly to that post, and was the only one here who tried to actually
>>> address your question.

>> Yep, I saw your second reply later, after I saw/replied to the first
>> one. As for "addressing my question", you were completely wrong with
>> your answer, so it doesn't count for much.

>>> What a douche...

>> Yeah.  Namecalling.  Who's the a.shole, again?

> Past experience is clear on this, you are a clear winner here, Danny
> Boy...

Right.  Sure.  Let's try to stick to the facts, shall we?  In the last few
messages here, you've called me an "a.shole", a "douche", and now a
condescending nickname.  What have I said to you, other than pointing out
that your answer was wrong...?

It's quite clear who the "winner" is.  Thanks for playing.  Buh-bye.

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Brian Smith - 14 Jul 2007 10:11 GMT
> It's not there.  If you're gonna make smart-a.s replies, be sure you're
> right first, so you don't look like a fool in public.

   You're doing a fine job of coming off as a class "A" fool, yourself.
honda owner - 14 Jul 2007 15:20 GMT
>> It's not there.  If you're gonna make smart-a.s replies, be sure you're
>> right first, so you don't look like a fool in public.
>
>    You're doing a fine job of coming off as a class "A" fool, yourself.

I couldn't have said it better Brian and I tried earlier.  Thanks.
Brian Smith - 14 Jul 2007 17:21 GMT
> I couldn't have said it better Brian and I tried earlier.  Thanks.

   No problem, I am happy to help.   {;^)
Dan C - 14 Jul 2007 23:24 GMT
>> It's not there.  If you're gonna make smart-a.s replies, be sure you're
>> right first, so you don't look like a fool in public.

>     You're doing a fine job of coming off as a class "A" fool, yourself.

Why do you think that?  Seriously.

Do you think his smart-a.s answer to me was entirely OK?

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Slider - 14 Jul 2007 11:54 GMT
I got the same reply when I asked about 2007 Accord Navi beeping every 12
seconds."Did you read the manual that came with your toy"?
Of course I did.That is the reason I am asking this newsgroup.Maybe I missed
something and am looking for additional info.
That poster never did reply back after I replied,so I guess he was busy
eating crow.

>>> One feature I'm surprised to not see is the "auto-door-lock" function.
>>> This is where all the doors lock as the vehicle reaches a certain speed
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Thanks anyway.
Joe LaVigne - 14 Jul 2007 12:44 GMT
removethis wrote:

> I got the same reply when I asked about 2007 Accord Navi beeping every 12
> seconds."Did you read the manual that came with your toy"?
> Of course I did.That is the reason I am asking this newsgroup.Maybe I
> missed something and am looking for additional info.
> That poster never did reply back after I replied,so I guess he was busy
> eating crow.

When asking for free advice, always assume you will get what you paid for...
Michael Pardee - 14 Jul 2007 13:35 GMT
>I got the same reply when I asked about 2007 Accord Navi beeping every 12
>seconds."Did you read the manual that came with your toy"?
> Of course I did.That is the reason I am asking this newsgroup.Maybe I
> missed something and am looking for additional info.

It was an honest question; a lot of people don't check the manual. Answering
questions about how to turn on the headlights can be a big drag on an auto
forum. After determining you had read the manual we can try to provide the
additional info and even learn about it ourselves.

Personally, I avoid getting involved in questions from people who are short
with others who try to help - I ditched the "kick me" sign long ago.

Mike
honda owner - 14 Jul 2007 15:25 GMT
>>I got the same reply when I asked about 2007 Accord Navi beeping every 12
>>seconds."Did you read the manual that came with your toy"?
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>Mike

Yeah, I even have a daughter that sometimes will ask me a question and
I give my best answer and then she argues with my answer.  I finally
told her I hate people that do this.... sorta to me like she or
whoever is looking for an arguement to start.  I get to the point
where I don't want to bother to answer.
Hachiroku ハチロク - 15 Jul 2007 04:01 GMT
>>I got the same reply when I asked about 2007 Accord Navi beeping every 12
>>seconds."Did you read the manual that came with your toy"?
>> Of course I did.That is the reason I am asking this newsgroup.Maybe I
>> missed something and am looking for additional info.
>
> It was an honest question; a lot of people don't check the manual.

When i was working Tech Support, the group leader suggested the first
question I asked was, "Is it plugged in?". I said, "C'mon!" She said,
you'd be surprised.

Imagine my surprise when the first call I got where the unit was
completely inoperable. No lights, no little start-up dance when the button
was pushed, etc. My gut reaction was, "Did you check the fuse", but I gave
it a millisecond and said, "Is the unit plugged it?"

"Uh...thanks for your time! <CLICK>"
Michael Pardee - 15 Jul 2007 06:37 GMT
>>>I got the same reply when I asked about 2007 Accord Navi beeping every 12
>>>seconds."Did you read the manual that came with your toy"?
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> "Uh...thanks for your time! <CLICK>"

True confession time! I work in IS field services for a large company, and
one day my desktop wouldn't power up. Huh. I checked the power strip to
ensure the socket was live and followed procedure, calling the support desk
so a ticket would be assigned to me so I could get a power supply... you get
the idea. The first question the support tech asked was if the computer was
plugged in, and I dutifully answered yes. Then he asked if the socket had
power and I said yes. Then he asked if the power switch on the back was in
the "on" position and it dawned on me I had left it off after fiddling with
something the previous day. I swear I could feel the jackass ears growing
just like in the Bugs Bunny cartoons.

Mike
Hachiroku ハチロク - 15 Jul 2007 13:59 GMT
>> Imagine my surprise when the first call I got where the unit was
>> completely inoperable. No lights, no little start-up dance when the
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Mike

OK, my own 'True Confession'...

I was working for a small computer co with a lot of professional
customers. The owner of the company gratiously sold us part and
accessories at 5% over cost.

When the first low-cost 500MB drives hit the market, I bought one. Got it
home, formatted it and was ready for file transfer, but kept getting the
old DOS error that no drive was available. Huh? I formatted it with System
files, it should boot no problem.

Checked the jumpers, checked the cables, checked the IDE card, etc, etc.
Nothing. Called Western Digital Tech Support and described everything I
did.

The very pleasant and helpful sounding woman on the other end then asked,
"Did you set the drive as the Active drive?"

Um...Thank You Very Much!!!  <CLICK>
ACAR - 14 Jul 2007 17:06 GMT
> It's not there.  If you're gonna make smart-a.s replies,..."
snip

No, these haven't been smart-a.s replies.

"The auto lock feature is just about as useful as that expensive
warranty you bought that you'll never need. What a waste of money!"

That's more like it.

Don't let these guys fool you, auto locks are found on European cars,
too. I watched my mechanic break into a Porsche Cayanne the other day
because of the auto locks timed out and locked the keys in the car.
Michael Pardee - 14 Jul 2007 21:43 GMT
> Don't let these guys fool you, auto locks are found on European cars,
> too. I watched my mechanic break into a Porsche Cayanne the other day
> because of the auto locks timed out and locked the keys in the car.

Early Volvo 850s were Volvo's first attempt at totally computerizing a car.
One of the common complaints was that the door locks would become
demonically possessed, rapidly cycling, locking or unlocking at random, and
with a propensity to lock the doors when people got out to put gas in the
car! Buwahaahaahaa!

Mike
Ed - 16 Jul 2007 18:41 GMT
ACAR <getoutanpush@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1184429175.989260.149360
@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:

> Don't let these guys fool you, auto locks are found on European cars,
> too. I watched my mechanic break into a Porsche Cayanne the other day
> because of the auto locks timed out and locked the keys in the car.

Ah yes, I read somewhere about that problem with the VW Tuareg (which is
identical to the Cayanne). Apparently, if your battery runs down, there
is no way to open the doors from the outside. You cannot pop the hood to
charge the battery either. You have to tow the car to the dealer to get
the doors unlocked.

In some BMWs, you cannot open the doors from the inside if they had been
locked with the remote. It is a feature to make it harder to steal, but a
real problem if you accidentally lock a child in a hot car.

Honda is not quite there yet. The Fit Sport, for example, has only one
keyhole (on the driver's door). If that lock jams and the remote fails,
you're out of luck.
Dave Kelsen - 12 Jul 2007 23:47 GMT
On 7/12/2007 8:00 AM Dan C spake these words of knowledge:

> Hello all,
>
> First day as a new Honda owner.  Got a (new) 2007 Accord EX for my
> daughter yesterday, and we are quite happy with it.  Just a really well
> built car.

Not to mention an excellent trade!

RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
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TomP - 15 Jul 2007 15:36 GMT
Honda did not see fit to offer that feature on the '07 Accord.  The '08 will
have it.

> Hello all,
>
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> --
> "Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".

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