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Car Forum / Honda Cars / August 2007

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Looking at purchasing a 1992 Honda Prelude S, but has brake light on

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Richard - 06 Aug 2007 17:55 GMT
Folks, what could the cause of this be?  I checked the master
cylinder, and it looks as though it has enough brake fluid, and the
brakes seem to work well.  Is this a common issue on this vehicle?
What else might I check?
By the way, this car has ~160,00 miles on it, and has already had two
timing belts put on it.  What else goes out regularly on this car, and
is there anything that I should look out for, before biting the bullet
and purchasing it?
Thanks so much in advance!
Elle - 06 Aug 2007 18:14 GMT
I vaguely recall seeing some postings here over wiring
problems from the brake fluid reservoir. IIRC, it's remedied
easily.... still, you'll have to research this more.

Here is some counsel on "buying used" for Hondas:
http://home.earthlink.net/~honda.lioness/id18.html

How many miles are on this Prelude?

Without knowing more, I'd aim for inspecting the suspension
system very closely. Control arm bushings and ball joints
would tend to go out for a car this old in years.

> Folks, what could the cause of this be?  I checked the
> master
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> and purchasing it?
> Thanks so much in advance!
Richard - 07 Aug 2007 13:02 GMT
Thanks, elle, for your response.  This car has 159,500 miles on it.
Thanks for the link, I have printed it out and will read it today.  I
do plan on taking it to a mechanic to have it inspected, prior to
making the decision to purchase it, and will be sure to ask him to
inspect the control arm bushings and other front end and suspension
parts.

> I vaguely recall seeing some postings here over wiring
> problems from the brake fluid reservoir. IIRC, it's remedied
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> > and purchasing it?
> > Thanks so much in advance!
Elle - 07 Aug 2007 13:33 GMT
Some hints on the brake light problem:
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=brake+light+reservoir+wiring+group%3Aal
t.autos.honda&qt_s=Search+Groups


Other keyword searches of alt.autos.honda and
rec.autos.makers.honda may turn up more.

Depending on the price, how it checks out, and how long you
want to keep this Prelude, I would not rule it out yet based
on mileage.

> Thanks, elle, for your response.  This car has 159,500
> miles on it.
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>> > and purchasing it?
>> > Thanks so much in advance!
Richard - 07 Aug 2007 16:47 GMT
Thanks again, so much, for all your help.  I will see what the
mechanic says after he looks at the car,

Thanks again!

> Some hints on the brake light problem:http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=brake+light+reservoir+wiring...
>
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jim beam - 08 Aug 2007 04:36 GMT
> Thanks again, so much, for all your help.  I will see what the
> mechanic says after he looks at the car,

you can test the brake light situation yourself.  simply unplug the
wires that connect the reservoir sensor.  if the light goes out, you
know it's a problem with the reservoir float.  it's a common problem
with aftermarket cylinders.  if that is the culprit, either leave
unplugged or get a new [genuine honda] cap/float assembly from a junkyard.

> Thanks again!
>
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Richard - 09 Aug 2007 15:14 GMT
> > Thanks again, so much, for all your help.  I will see what the
> > mechanic says after he looks at the car,
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Folks, I think we have the brake lamp light figured out - one of the
brake lights in the light in the back windshield is out, that is
probably why the brake lamp light is lit.
We took the car to a mechanic to get a pre-purchase evaluation
yesterday, and he came back with several things wrong with it.
First let me back track, the person who owns it is a good personal
friend of mine, and I don't believe he is lying to me.  He tells me
that he has never had to add oil between oil changes.
I would like to bounce some things off of you to get your opinions as
I attempt to analyze what the mechanic told me:

I specifically asked the mechanic to let us know if something is
leaking and he said that there is a little leakage from the front
output crank pulley, valve cover, and possibly the cam seal.  Is this
a big deal?  The current owner has replaced the timing belt twice, the
last time at 130000 (the car currently has 160000 miles on it), so I
don't think it is time yet to replace the timing belt again.
The struts on the car look to be original - how much are we talking to
replace them, as I would imagine that we would need to pretty soon
with that amount of miles?
The big issue that I see with the car is that the mechanic told me
that both steering rack boots are torn, and that the right swaybar
connecting rod bushing is cracked.
Is this a major expense to repair?

The current owner is asking $2,000 for this car (1992 Honda Prelude S)
- What do you all think?  Is that price too high, and how much are
these repairs going to cost?
Thanks so much in advance for your opinions!
Elle - 09 Aug 2007 15:40 GMT
> On Aug 7, 10:36 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net>
> wrote:
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> seal.  Is this
> a big deal?

These seals all are normally replaced when the timing belt
is replaced. Though the valve cover seal (gasket) may be
replaced without doing the timing belt at the same time.

They should be replaced but if the leakage is not bad, it's
not too big a deal. It just depends.

Figure around $400-$600 I'd say to do these seals. May as
well get a new timing belt, water pump, and tensioner while
the technician is deep in the "bowels" of the engine's
systems, too. (That may not make sense unless you know how
all these parts overlap... )  The TB, water pump, and
tensioner will add another $200 or so.

>The current owner has replaced the timing belt twice, the
> last time at 130000 (the car currently has 160000 miles on
> it), so I
> don't think it is time yet to replace the timing belt
> again.

Most likely it's due 6 years or 90k miles,whichever comes
first.

> The struts on the car look to be original - how much are
> we talking to
> replace them, as I would imagine that we would need to
> pretty soon
> with that amount of miles?

The shock absorbers last and last. If they are not leaking,
I would not replace them.

> The big issue that I see with the car is that the mechanic
> told me
> that both steering rack boots are torn,

I defer to others on this one. Haven't seen this much here,
which to me is a bad sign.

> and that the right swaybar
> connecting rod bushing is cracked.

If you're talking about what I think you're talking about,
this is easy to fix and common.

> Is this a major expense to repair?

> The current owner is asking $2,000 for this car (1992
> Honda Prelude S)

See the resources (like Edmunds.com) for guidance on used
car pricing, mentioned at the "Buying Used" site I listed
earlier.

> - What do you all think?  Is that price too high, and how
> much are
> these repairs going to cost?
Michael Pardee - 09 Aug 2007 16:25 GMT
>> The big issue that I see with the car is that the mechanic told me
>> that both steering rack boots are torn,
>
> I defer to others on this one. Haven't seen this much here, which to me is
> a bad sign.

My experience with that is limited to my old Volvo. I didn't notice the torn
boot until symptoms appeared (hard shaking during light braking) and I
investigated. The boot keeps the inner tie rod ball clean and lubricated,
but the ball and socket on mine were worn about a mm. It felt a whole lot
worse than that!

Replacement is important to protect the tie rod and the rack. At each end
the tie rod has to be removed from the rack to get the boot on - not an easy
DIY job but probably not too bad for a pro with the right tools. The tie rod
is probably screwed on and staked, and an alignment is mandatory afterward.
You should be able to get an accurate estimate of the cost from your
mechanic.

Mike
Richard - 12 Aug 2007 02:34 GMT
On Aug 9, 10:25 am, "Michael Pardee" <michaeltn...@cybertrails.com>
wrote:

> >> The big issue that I see with the car is that the mechanic told me
> >> that both steering rack boots are torn,
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>
> Mike

Folks, does anyone know whether or not the 1992 Honda Prelude S has an
air bag or not?  Thanks so much!
High Tech Misfit - 12 Aug 2007 02:41 GMT
> Folks, does anyone know whether or not the 1992 Honda Prelude S has an
> air bag or not?  Thanks so much!

I think all Hondas got a driver's airbag (at the least) around '92.
 
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