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With gas going to $3 a gal for 97 octane, I want over 40 mpg not 23 on average city/shy combined with the Santa Fe. Tucsons are but fleet service only, so lets get building for the regular repeat purchaser!!!! yuup hyundais draggin there a.s on the hybrid thing for northamerica. id love a diesel, even more so a hybrid diesel =) > With gas going to $3 a gal for 97 octane, I want over 40 mpg not 23 on > average city/shy combined with the Santa Fe. Tucsons are but fleet > service only, so lets get building for the regular repeat purchaser!!!! its about 3.70 here for a gallon, 1.00 a litre, im glad we have a accent. > yuup hyundais draggin there a.s on the hybrid thing for northamerica. > id love a diesel, even more so a hybrid diesel =) >> With gas going to $3 a gal for 97 octane, I want over 40 mpg not 23 on >> average city/shy combined with the Santa Fe. Tucsons are but fleet >> service only, so lets get building for the regular repeat purchaser!!!! | > yuup hyundais draggin there a.s on the hybrid thing for northamerica. I think we can let the Koreans off the hook about this one. I'll explain. I've discovered that here in Silicon Valley, Korean companies have actually been doing their R&D. I suspect that a good amount of their auto design (certainly styling) has been done in California, too (Los Angeles, in this case). There are some aspects of American engineering that I've found in my Sonata. I can't talk much yet about this because I haven't had the car long. But my ears really perked up when Hyundaitech reported that my transmission actually has a drain plug: Hooray! That's the way American engineers like to design, and it's what you'd get in an American car before the penny-pinching cost vultures suck the quality out. My Ford Aerostar had no coolant bleed valve. You know how you bleed the air form a Ford Aerostar? Simple: you tilt the entire goddamn van and wait for the bubbles to go to the top. You do this three times. Who decided to remove the bleed valve and why? We can excuse the Koreans because they've not been in the car business that long, and they've done rather nicely, considering. The US carmakers have no such excuse. Honda was working on a solar car in 1974. Was Detroit? Detroit car makers have behaved as if oil people sit on their boards. There's no other explanation I can think of to explain why they'd rather lose huge amounts of business to foreign firms than to make an efficient car. I've seen a patent for a hybrid American truck dated 1926! Various forms of regeneration have been used in electric railroads since the early 20th Century. We had a good example here in the American West until surrounding mergers put the carrier under. Dunno. It would seem that we would benefit from a Federal incentive crash program for domestic efficient cars -- hybrids certainly. Will the current Administration or Congress step up to the plate on this one? What would the patriotic thing be to do? Richard >| > yuup hyundais draggin there a.s on the hybrid thing for >northamerica. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >here in the American West until surrounding mergers put the >carrier under. At the Petersen Car Museum in Los Angeles I saw an unrestored gas/electric hybrid car that was manuafactured in 1918. Old_Timer >Dunno. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Richard | yuup hyundais draggin there a.s on the hybrid thing for northamerica. | id love a diesel, even more so a hybrid diesel =) Diesel = cough, choke: particulates. Stink. On the other hand, there's something called "clean diesel." I don't know how really clean it is. Gas is, of course, more refined, so inherantly cleaner-burning. Good idea. Richard diesels ive seen rarely smoke or stink, the tdi's > | yuup hyundais draggin there a.s on the hybrid thing for > northamerica. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Richard > diesels ive seen rarely smoke or stink, the tdi's I've seen diesels that didn't smoke, but they all stink. Stinking is in the nose of the beholder... >> diesels ive seen rarely smoke or stink, the tdi's > > I've seen diesels that didn't smoke, but they all stink. Boy do they stink & majority of them have black smoke out the tailpipe. Diesel fuel is $.30 more a gallon than 98 Octane! diesel may cost more, but its goes alot farther per tank than a gas car... ive never seen a vw tdi yet belch black smoke.. > Boy do they stink & majority of them have black smoke out the tailpipe. > > Diesel fuel is $.30 more a gallon than 98 Octane! > diesel may cost more, but its goes alot farther per tank than a gas car... If you actually sit down and do the math, figuring the increased cost of the car and fuel vs. the improved mileage, you'll probably find that it will take you in excess of 10 years to actually save any money. yes over time, but if im just leasing like we intend to do its not so bad.. the jetta doesnt cost any more than a loaded sonata so.... if hyundai would bring their damn cdi's to canada theyed kick vws butt >> diesel may cost more, but its goes alot farther per tank than a gas >> car... > > If you actually sit down and do the math, figuring the increased cost of > the car and fuel vs. the improved mileage, you'll probably find that it > will take you in excess of 10 years to actually save any money. > yes over time, but if im just leasing like we intend to do its not so bad.. > the jetta doesnt cost any more than a loaded sonata so.... > if hyundai would bring their damn cdi's to canada theyed kick vws butt Leasing is the most expensive way to "own" a car. It ranks right up there with buying and trading in every 2-3 years. Essentially, you're paying for the cost of the car's depreciation during the years when it depreciates the most. The reason that car companies push leasing is because that's where they make the most money. While leasing makes sense for businesses, it rarely makes economic sense for an individual. Nothing personal, but it seems a bit odd to me to quibble over a few bucks in fuel costs when you're throwing away thousands of dollars due to your choice of ownership method. If you're truly interested in saving money, the best way is to buy a car that's 2-3 years old and keep it until it's worn out. Second best is to buy a new car and keep it until it's worn out. By "worn out", I mean that the cost of repairs exceeds the value of the vehicle. With reasonable maintenance, that can easily be ten years and 150,000 miles or more. I'm generalizing here and perhaps you're in a special situation that creates a different need. There are some good books available that explain this in greater detail and help you decide what ownership method makes the most sense for your situation, and how to negotiate the best deal. The "classic" text on the subject is Remar Sutton's book, "Don't get Taken Every Time". The few bucks you spend on the book will save you thousands. your right i guess =) but i like to have new car, something weve never had >> yes over time, but if im just leasing like we intend to do its not so >> bad.. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > "classic" text on the subject is Remar Sutton's book, "Don't get Taken > Every Time". The few bucks you spend on the book will save you thousands. Jyea car that has only been drivin off the lot and had title transfered is only worth about 75% of what was paid for the vehicle for years ive been buyin a $200 junker cavalier ... driving it for a good couple years ( average about 100k in those 2 years) with only changing the oil about 4 times in the process total cost of ownership == 150 a year ... now how much is that lease payment of yours oh and i forgot to mention ... after the couple of years ... i get 100 back on the car from the scrap yard .. so thats hmmm about 100 bucks a year i dont get to drive a nice looking vehicle .. but it costs less than the tax on your new vehicle and still gets me from point A to point B ody wrote: > your right i guess =) > but i like to have new car, something weve never had [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >>"classic" text on the subject is Remar Sutton's book, "Don't get Taken >>Every Time". The few bucks you spend on the book will save you thousands. > your right i guess =) > but i like to have new car, something weve never had I actually bought my first new car since 1984 last year, but only because the Elantra GT had a rebate that was ~equivalent to the first year or so of depreciation. I figured it was nearly the same as buying a used car, only without the "use". I plan on keeping it until it dies, as I have with my other vehicles. are you my dentist???? my dentist has identical name =) talar svenska? >> yes over time, but if im just leasing like we intend to do its not so >> bad.. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > "classic" text on the subject is Remar Sutton's book, "Don't get Taken > Every Time". The few bucks you spend on the book will save you thousands. our accents still pretty good though its paint is showing our wiinters wrath, it NEVER uses any oil ive never topped it up since we owned it. we have 136 000 kms now on it. i have to bring in next week for new tie rod end and cv boots to local fjord dealer > are you my dentist???? my dentist has identical name =) > talar svenska? [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >> get Taken Every Time". The few bucks you spend on the book will save you >> thousands. > are you my dentist???? my dentist has identical name =) No, but I thought about going to dental school many years ago and I may be as painful to deal with. ;-) > talar svenska? Unfortunately no. <<If you actually sit down and do the math, figuring the increased cost of the car and fuel vs. the improved mileage, you'll probably find that it will take you in excess of 10 years to actually save any money.>> Be sure to do *all* the math - a diesel will be cheaper to service, and may not need service as often. My own vehicle gets very poor gas mileage, but nevertheless, the servicing costs almost as much per year as the gas does. John Cowart MY friend just got a 2005 Priuis and it is a kewl car... 50 MPG is possible in the city. Plenty of room, nice radio, comfortable ride. Plus he get a 2K tax break from the feds this year for buying a hybrid. It's a kewl car! ElantraStan http://www.stanarseneaux.com/elantra/ stan@hirise.com > <<If you actually sit down and do the math, figuring the increased cost > of [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > John Cowart >MY friend just got a 2005 Priuis and it is a kewl car... 50 MPG is >possible in the city. toyota prius: $20k MSRP, 55mpg. hyundai accent: $10k MSRP, 30mpg. current price per gallon: ~$2 miles before prius pays for its hefty premium: 328,258 Is your friend actually planning on keeping the car for that many miles? >>MY friend just got a 2005 Priuis and it is a kewl car... 50 MPG is >>possible in the city. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > current price per gallon: ~$2 > miles before prius pays for its hefty premium: 328,258 The look on the owner's face when they realize this...priceless. Sorry...couldn't resist. ;-) No, but he wanted the technology that is in the car. It really is a unique car, mainly for city driving is where it gets the best mileage. And who knows where gas can go in 5 years.... I had the same dicussion with him, about he could get an Elantra, for 1/2 the price, put the $12,500 in a mutual fund and when the Elantra wears out after that fantastic waranty, he would have enough money to buy another Elantra with some extra cash to boot! He does keep cars well past 100K miles though. So if he is happy... that is all that matters. :) ElantraStan http://www.stanarseneaux.com/elantra/ stan@hirise.com >>MY friend just got a 2005 Priuis and it is a kewl car... 50 MPG is >>possible in the city. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Is your friend actually planning on keeping the car for that many > miles? id like a car with great highway milage, we have to drive two hours just togo grocery shopping, store in our towns to $$ to do a big shopping load.. Our Accents pretty good but it could be better also on gas... Thats why id like to have a diesel... damn hyundai bring them to canada already!!!!!!!!!!! > No, but he wanted the technology that is in the car. > It really is a unique car, mainly for city driving is where [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >> Is your friend actually planning on keeping the car for that many >> miles? >put the ,500 in a mutual >fund and when the Elantra wears out after that fantastic >waranty, he would have enough money to buy another Elantra >with some extra cash to boot! That’s a very cool way of looking at it :) > | yuup hyundais draggin there a.s on the hybrid thing for > northamerica. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Richard Until we get cleaner, higher quality diesel in the US that is cheaper to buy than regular unleaded (as is the case in the UK), diesels really aren't going to take off. If the best selling 1 series BMW in the UK is the 120D -- and not just because of the cheaper fuel and better mileage -- then it proves it is possible to create a DERV that doesn't sound like a piece of farm equipment at idle or at speed. Diesel has a bad reputation in the US, and that needs to change. > With gas going to $3 a gal for 97 octane, I want over 40 mpg not 23 on > average city/shy combined with the Santa Fe. Tucsons are but fleet > service only, so lets get building for the regular repeat purchaser!!!! I'm almost looking forward to the $3.50 a gall July price spike....It'll get a bunch of idiots off the roads here. Should lead back to car pools and lighter traffic. Huge mammoth trucks driven by 4'11'' soccer moms with a I'm getting even with the world attitudes tend to annoy me. 6K LB Trucks with only a driver might be a bit rarer on the parkways. Two car families might go back to having 1 good size sedan and a small runabout for the short 1 person trips vs a Suburban & Hummer. Cafe rules might force a fleet mileage increase for once vs the current Loophole heaven. arent you the lucky one gas just hit $102.9 cents per LITRE here in Canada on vancouver island... > With gas going to $3 a gal for 97 octane, I want over 40 mpg not 23 on > average city/shy combined with the Santa Fe. Tucsons are but fleet > service only, so lets get building for the regular repeat purchaser!!!! wow a 2 c difference, not much actually, but i wonder how high its going to go? Im smack in middle of canada just 4 hrs from manitoba border in ont > arent you the lucky one gas just hit $102.9 cents per LITRE here in > Canada on vancouver island... > >> With gas going to $3 a gal for 97 octane, I want over 40 mpg not 23 on >> average city/shy combined with the Santa Fe. Tucsons are but fleet >> service only, so lets get building for the regular repeat purchaser!!!! Well, I don't really know enough about technology, but I have owned a few cars If an Hyundai hybrid (comparable to the Honda & Toyota hybrids) can be acquired retail in the high U.S . Dollar teens, then here's some easy predictions: 10. Detroit & its other competitors will try to suppress it via malign p.r. techniques 9. There will be a Hyundai hybrid waiting list ad infinitum 9. The usual idiotic U.S. politicians will say, "duh, we're full of bullshite," just as they've been saying to themselves with their fingers up their ...since 1973 8. Newspaper new car ad sales will be "bye-bye," because who cares about that bait 'n switch garbage they advertise in color rotogravure 7. TV car ads ditto, especially during the 11pm news 6. ________________ will accuse Korea of unfair trade practices (The usual schmuckes & whoever) 5. The SUV will be put into museums with dinosaurs where it fuggin belongs 4. Andy Rooney will throw a pie at a $3 a gallon gasolene sign at the end of a SIXTY MINUTES about war in the Middle East to protect oil ...after a Morley Bradley Wallace Stahl Craft piece called "CATCH 22 Is Alive & Well, Suckers" 3.--1. that's enuff, while i beg the fates at hyundai for it to happen asap > With gas going to $3 a gal for 97 octane, I want over 40 mpg not 23 on > average city/shy combined with the Santa Fe. Tucsons are but fleet > service only, so lets get building for the regular repeat purchaser!!!! So why did you buy a Santa Fe? Get rid of it and buy an Accent. Problem solved. My 4 cyl auto trans Santa Fe gets better gas mileage & has plenty of room for humans as well as freezers, trees, and other large items I'd have to pay delivery charges for. Hyundai had a news article on Accent going by by to a MC or something like that which is their hybrid for 2005. But where is it? Still a small car, not the Tucson as I was told by Hyundai USA last year that is fleet service hybrid only. > > With gas going to $3 a gal for 97 octane, I want over 40 mpg not 23 on > > average city/shy combined with the Santa Fe. Tucsons are but fleet > > service only, so lets get building for the regular repeat purchaser!!!! > > So why did you buy a Santa Fe? Get rid of it and buy an Accent. Problem > solved. > My 4 cyl auto trans Santa Fe gets better gas mileage Better mileage than what? If you mean better than an Accent, you're dreaming! Thats' not even remotely possible. > & has plenty of > room for humans as well as freezers, trees, and other large items I'd > have to pay delivery charges for. Well, if is saves you so much money on other things, what are you complaining about? How often do you carry more than four people, or more than two, for that matter? Asmall car, a trailer hitch and a cheap utility trailer costs a lot less than an SUV, hauls more stuff and gets better gas mileage when you're not hauling the trailer. > Hyundai had a news article on Accent going by by to a MC or something > like that which is their hybrid for 2005. But where is it? Still a > small car, not the Tucson as I was told by Hyundai USA last year that > is fleet service hybrid only. Who said anything about a Hyundai hybrid for '05? I haven't heard about anything coming out this year. >> With gas going to $3 a gal for 97 octane, I want over 40 mpg not 23 on >> average city/shy combined with the Santa Fe. Tucsons are but fleet >> service only, so lets get building for the regular repeat purchaser!!!! whine, whine, whine -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 322 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! We had been purchasing Chrysler products exclusively since the late 70s, but bought a Hyudai Accent for my son as a Christmas present in 2003. We bought a Hyundai 350L for my wife last November. Within the next few months, I be ready to buy a new vehicle for myself, but it won't be a Hyundai. I've decided my next vehicle will be a hybrid, and that eliminates Hyundai from consideration. Hyundai now produces a quality product... just not the right product... at least not for me! There is a long article in the actual ATLANTA CONSTITUTION this morning regarding the hybrid car situation www.ajc.com If anybody can find & link/post it, please do--just be sure to note it is "copyrighted 2005 by the ATLANTA JOURNAL-CONSTITUTION" if ya post it The usual fools have got it hidden, or whatever their interneter does with some of their more important articles Here's what I recall while coffeeing: The bad news: Toyota has mucho hybrid patents--85 patents or whatever The semi-good news: Toyota licenses a patent to Ford for its SUV Explorer hybrid My perception: Toyota isn't gonna allow a major & incredibly growing competitor Hyundai to do what's manifestly in the overall world's public interest asap: cost-beneficial retail hybrid car available in the upper teens of U.S. Dollars (a third or so less than the Prius sells for) The Prius sells for in the high 20's, or do I have this wrong? That's the way (I subjectively perceive) catch 22 marketplace reality so often is Meanwhile, hey, let's just spend ourselves & heirs into financial dependence oblivion for that cheap (yeah, sure) !@#$%^&*()_+ Middle Eastern terrorist-tinged f'ing oil, so that the marketplace can work its perverse magic Caveat: The above are my opinions, and if ya think otherwise, then I hope you're correct, because I have a sense of tragedy/absurdity of which I would not want to be reality but fear it is close to the truth(s) Tell me that approx current Prius/Hyundai $10,000 difference doesn't substantially matter to you | There is a long article in the actual ATLANTA CONSTITUTION this morning | regarding the hybrid car situation [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] | the upper teens of U.S. Dollars (a third or so less than the Prius | sells for) ... | Meanwhile, hey, let's just spend ourselves & heirs into financial | dependence oblivion for that cheap (yeah, sure) !@#$%^&*()_+ Middle | Eastern terrorist-tinged f'ing oil, so that the marketplace can work | its perverse magic But there are other factors. Toyota is also a financial company; you may not be aware that they make a substantial percentage of their profit by trading currency! They might be inclined to license their patents to anyone if the price was right. And, at least within Japan, this type of exchange has been part of inter-corporate relations for a long time. And what about Honda? Toyota also does not have a lock on hybrid technology; of course, they've got their own implementations of it patented. But the hybrid concept has been around for at least 70 years, and it's been in use, too -- in parts here, parts there. And how many of these patents are for design, not function? So, perhaps an alternative hybrid set of designs might not be as efficient as Toyota's, but it might be a nice efficiency boost nonetheless. I agree with you that the Japanese manufacturers won't want to help out a cheap-labor competitor, unless there was a big payoff for them. And don't forget that China's right around the corner, ready to undercut the Koreans. Even the Koreans are having some of their manufacturing labor "offshored" to China. Now, why have the American car makers behaved for years and years as if their boards-of-directors were dominated by Texas oil men? Richard Richard: "Now, why have the American car makers behaved for years and years as if their boards-of-directors were dominated by Texas oil men? " Me: Well, I am gonna inflict further wackoish speculations and folkish lore financial theory(ies) upon ye; so best prepare yerselves for more doom 'n gloom cynicism and pessimism, because this i perceive as true, and I should hereaby apologize for the (appropriate) vulgarities: Robert Cohen Sep 5 2003, 5:59 pm show options Newsgroups: alt.philosophy From: robtco...@aol.com.spam.no (Robert Cohen) - Find messages by this author Date: 06 Sep 2003 00:59:14 GMT Local: Fri, Sep 5 2003 5:59 pm Subject: Catch 22: The Petro-Dollar Paradigm Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse Reality is comic-tragic-absurd. Subject: Krugman Column About China From: robtco...@aol.com.spam.no (Robert Cohen) Date: 9/5/03 8:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: <20030905203829.19971.00000688@mb-m28.aol.com> Paul Krugman of the NYTIMES is a political-economist. Today's column states that the (mainland) Chinese--if pissede at the U.S. for applying yuan re-evaluation pressure, or for whatever political economic reason--could conceivably stop buying U.S. treasury securities. Krugman claims this could conceivably result in an American Fed interest rate increase of TWO percentage points. The Chinese could just buy Euro denominated securities, says Professor Krugman. In other words: "fucke the U.S." I believe him. My further observation-conjecture-paranoia: The reason (imho) there is a prevailing petro-dollar paradigm--why our cars don't run on steam or sun or anything (generally-massively) but the usual conventional petroleum--is that our political economic oil dependency is in a catch 22. The Saudis would/could conceivably find it necessary for revenge to withdraw their investments in U.S. government and in U.S. institutional bonds and securities. The Saudis could conceivably buy Euro denominated securities, and thus unsubtlely say, "fucke the U.S." The changeover time from petroleum demand to something else (steam, hydrogen, hybrid) would be so chaotic that the U.S. would discombobulate.. Such is seemingly actually why nothing of massive substance has been done since 1973 about foreign oil dependency. The alternative energy stuff has been so much bullshite propaganda and tokenism because of the catch 22. Jimmy Carter may have cried to himself when he realized such sitting in his sweater at the White House fireplace. He got morose on tv, as ye oldsters will recall. The hydrogen fuel cell thing is apparently pie-in-the-sky malarkey added to a recent Bush speech to pacify critics. Because the international financial system is delicately inter-dynamic and inter-dependent. Nothing truly technologically revolutionary-radical can be done without such dire consequences. Walter Mondale couildn't tell ya this, though it is what I perceive as ominous reality. Krugman's column about inter-dependence of China & U.S. is at via: http://www.nytimes.com free registration for marketing cookie is prequisite What's an hybrid car? Take this fine SUV, or get the h outa GM's showroom copyrighted by the los angeles times 2005 www.latimes.com GM to Stop Los Angeles Times Advertising LOS ANGELES (AP) - General Motors Corp. says it will stop advertising in the Los Angeles Times, at least temporarily, because of dealer concerns over ``factual errors and misrepresentations'' in the newspaper's articles and editorials. The newspaper, which is owned by Tribune Co., will review coverage that prompted the complaints from the world's largest automaker, said Times spokesman David Garcia. GM spokesman Brian Akre would not identify which stories or editorials the company objected to, but said it had been a series of reports over the past several months. ``We made our objections known to the Times and we prefer to keep those private,'' he said Friday by telephone from Detroit. He said the decision was made this week because of ``strongly voiced objections from our dealers in Southern California regarding factual errors and misrepresentations in the Times editorial coverage.'' ``We recognize and support the news media's freedom to report and editorialize as they see fit,'' Akre said. ``Likewise, GM and its retailers are free to spend our advertising dollars where we see fit.'' The ban covers corporate advertising, not individual dealer ads in the classified section, he said. The company did not say the cancellation was permanent. ``There are ongoing discussions, which is all we can say,'' Akre said. ``This is an extremely rare occurrence.'' Garcia said in Friday's editions that the newspaper ``will look into any complaints GM has about inaccuracy or misrepresentation and will make any appropriate corrections.'' On Wednesday, the paper published a column by auto critic Dan Neil that called GM, which has struggled recently with sluggish sales, ``a morass of a business case'' and called for the ``impeachment'' of two executives. Among other criticisms, Neil said GM ``utterly missed the boat on hybrid gas-electric technology'' while speeding up production of SUVs. Neil won the 2004 Pulitzer Prize for criticism, cited by the judges for ``one-of-a-kind'' reviews of automobiles blending technical expertise with ``offbeat humor and astute cultural observations.'' When asked about columns by Neil, Akre said, ``It was not any one column or story.'' Neither GM nor the newspaper, which has a daily circulation of 900,000, would say how much the automaker spends on its Times ads. There are eight GM lines doing business in Southern California: Chevrolet, Pontiac, GMC, Cadillac, Saab, Hummer, Saturn and Buick. Akre said he didn't know how many dealers had complained. Tribune shares fell 65 cents to close at $38.87 in Friday trading on the New York Stock Exchange, near their 52-week low of $38.51. Copyright The Associated Press. All rights reserved. The information contained In this news report may not be published, broadcast or otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. 04/08/2005 16:50 APO Yeah, just make all cars 10 or 15% more efficient and we can stop going around the world attacking other countries for their oil. Don > With gas going to $3 a gal for 97 octane, I want over 40 mpg not 23 on > average city/shy combined with the Santa Fe. Tucsons are but fleet > service only, so lets get building for the regular repeat purchaser!!!! On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 14:55:45 -0700, some "DumbFuck" wrote: >Yeah, just make all cars 10 or 15% more efficient and we can stop going >around the world attacking other countries for their oil. > >Don Take your political sh.t some where else. f.cking Idiot. What's with you? Geez. ...and what I said is absolutely true. We only import about 8% of our oil from the Persian Gulf area. If we just made ourselves 10% more efficient we wouldn't have to worry about it. > On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 14:55:45 -0700, some "DumbFuck" wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Take your political sh.t some where else. f.cking Idiot. >What's with you? Geez. >...and what I said is absolutely true. We only import about 8% of our oil >from the Persian Gulf area. If we just made ourselves 10% more efficient we >wouldn't have to worry about it. What you said is not at all true. We have not attacked any country for oil. Oh excuse me, it was for WMD's (snicker). The fact is though that we really need to develop this sort of technology to become more energy independant. That is why I responded to this, and I applaud any company that goes in this direction. We have a 2003 Sante Fe which we love but I'm in the market now for a second car which will probably be a Toyota Prius. I hope Hyundai will develop similar cars ...and I would consider them as I am very impressed with Hyundai quality. But unfortunately, this does all tie in with politics. China and India (1/3 of the world population) are rapidly developing. Their energy needs are going to skyrocket soon. Oil prices will do the same. The more energy independant we are, the better. Don > >What's with you? Geez. > >...and what I said is absolutely true. We only import about 8% of our oil [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > What you said is not at all true. We have not attacked any country > for oil. What a joke HONDA has. They advertise a hybrid but it get 29 mpg???? As the salesman attempted to explain their pantented hybrid technology he stated the gas engine is ALWAYS RUNNING! Our deaership manager still states the MG is due out in a few months to replace the Accent, then the hybrid Tucson will follow for 2006. Santa Fe will not be hybrid. A friend has had a Toyota Prius for about 6 months. He keeps pretty meticulous records and uses it on the job, so he puts a lot of miles on it. He says he's been getting about 52 mpg. His last trip was to go skiing so there was considerable climbing too. Don > What a joke HONDA has. They advertise a hybrid but it get 29 mpg???? > As the salesman attempted to explain their pantented hybrid technology [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > replace the Accent, then the hybrid Tucson will follow for 2006. Santa > Fe will not be hybrid. id love one those hybrid things, but a , to $$$ and i dont think thyed be too good in our winters when its like - 30 f. cold kills batteries =( >A friend has had a Toyota Prius for about 6 months. He keeps pretty > meticulous records and uses it on the job, so he puts a lot of miles on [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> replace the Accent, then the hybrid Tucson will follow for 2006. Santa >> Fe will not be hybrid. The friend with the Prius is in Boston ...pretty chilly there. Don > id love one those hybrid things, > but a , to $$$ and i dont think thyed be too good in our winters when its [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >> replace the Accent, then the hybrid Tucson will follow for 2006. Santa > >> Fe will not be hybrid. Good post! Seamus J. Wilson > Yeah, just make all cars 10 or 15% more efficient and we can stop going > around the world attacking other countries for their oil. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > average city/shy combined with the Santa Fe. Tucsons are but fleet > > service only, so lets get building for the regular repeat purchaser!!!! One thing that people lose sight of in all this hybrid craze is that whether buying a hybrid is a good idea from an economic standpoint or not depends on your current automotive situation. If you definitely need a new car - because your current car is worn out or you need an additional vehicle - buying a hybrid makes sense. However, if you have a functioning car that gets reasonable gas mileage and has a few years of life left in it, getting rid of it and buying a hybrid is unlikely to save you any money, due to the high cost of the initial purchase. If you're the type of person who regularly turns their cars over every few years, you're used to wasting money so you may as well go for it. ;-) thats your look / view what ever u call it i guess =) i just dont like paying for unexpected car repairs id rather have new every 5 yrs > One thing that people lose sight of in all this hybrid craze is that > whether buying a hybrid is a good idea from an economic standpoint or not [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > person who regularly turns their cars over every few years, you're used to > wasting money so you may as well go for it. ;-) > thats your look / view what ever u call it i guess =) It's not mine at all, it's simply what I've learned from experts in the field who know much more about it than I do. > i just dont like paying for unexpected car repairs id rather have new every > 5 yrs So in order to avoid paying for repairs that may never happen, you're paying more for your cars up front, EVERY time, by getting rid of them while they still have a lot of life left? Please don't take this personally, as I don't intend it that way. I didn't realize this either until I read the book I referred to in the other post above (many years ago) and some other materials that corroborated it. Although it's possible that you may avoid a costly repair once in a while, on balance, it's much more expensive to turn your cars over prematurely. The fact that you're hanging onto them for 5 years rather than 2 or 3 mitigates that somewhat, but it's still not the most economical way to own, especially considering the durability of modern vehicles. Please don't take my word for it; check it out for yourself. There are a lot of good references on the subject. im not taking it personally and im aware about the mony part, thats why i looking at new accent (low payments) >> thats your look / view what ever u call it i guess =) > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > don't take my word for it; check it out for yourself. There are a lot of > good references on the subject. |
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