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Car Forum / Hyundai Cars / August 2005What problems have you experienced with your keyless entry remote?
I am working on the design of remotes here at Rochester Institute of Technolgy and would like to here from some Hyundai owners. They don't work very well after you submerse them. I've seen a few dead batteries. how about the mechanical design? do you think it could be designed better? > how about the mechanical design? do you think it could be designed > better? What's to design? You've got a few button in a small plastic box; it's pretty simple. The only improvement I can think of is to make it thinner so it fits in a pocket more comfortably. Hi, I have a 2001 XG & I've had the remote stick 'on'. When I pressed it to lock, nothing would happen & when I moved into the shade I could see the red LED was flickering & had most likely been on for quite awhile. Took it apart & put in new battery which seemed to fix it. My real complaint is however that it is very easy to trip the unlock button in your pocket & my wife has locked the car but after tossing the keys in her purse & closing that has unlocked it again. A design to reduce chance engagement would be welcome. BCinBC > how about the mechanical design? do you think it could be designed > better? I agree. I've had my 2002 XG unlock itself numerous times and I assume its because the unlock button is being pressed when the remote is in my pocket. Dan > Hi, > I have a 2001 XG & I've had the remote stick 'on'. When I pressed it to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > how about the mechanical design? do you think it could be designed > > better? > I am working on the design of remotes here at Rochester Institute of > Technolgy and would like to here from some Hyundai owners. Right away, put major attention into making these goddamn systems silent! These products have been designed by people who are thoughtless, arrogant, and stupid. I detest being forced to endure all the beeps and whoops coming from people getting in and out of their cars! Make the systems announce status with lights only, and absolutely no audio whatsoever unless someone is actually breaking into the car. And, also, make sure that it isn't so easy to push the noise button on the remote. You can be the first one to apply your brains and consideration. Richard >> I am working on the design of remotes here at Rochester Institute of >> Technolgy and would like to [hear] from some Hyundai owners. > Right away, put major attention into making these goddamn systems > silent! Make the systems announce status with lights only, and > absolutely no audio whatsoever unless someone is actually breaking > into the car. AOL! At least the one on my 2003 Tiburon does what Richard describes. > And, also, make sure that it isn't so easy to push the noise button on > the remote. You can be the first one to apply your brains and > consideration. I have a feeling that decisions about things like "number of buttons" and "what those buttons do" are not made by joe. I think joe may have been looking for comments like "I'd like it if the remote were shaped like $FOO" or "I'd like it if the remote came in a choice of colors". Anyway, the only thing I can think of to complain about on my remote is that the "unlock" button may be too small--it's oval, and roughly 1cm by 0.5cm.  SignatureMatt G|There is no Darkness in eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see This .sig removed because Richard Steinfeld hates .sigs >> joe wrote: >> I am working on the design of remotes here at Rochester Institute of [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Richard On my remote I only have to push the arm button ONCE to look the doors. The turn signals will flash. The second push sounds the chirp. You aren't forced to endure this. You just don't like it because you find it annoying. I hear it so often that it doesn't bother me. As to th OP. Make them thinner. Do what ford is doing with the Fusion's keyless remote. Incorporate it in to the key itself SignatureAndrew D. Sisson > You aren't forced to endure this. You just don't like it because you find > it annoying. > I hear it so often that it doesn't bother me. Beg your pardon: I am indeed forced to endure other peoples' noise pollution. I'm into silence. Forcing other people to endure your noise is abuse. Just because it doesn't bother you is loopy and inconsiderate logic as to why it should not bother me. I pay attention to sound; perhaps you don't. To quote the Noise Pollution Clearinghouse: "Your noise penetrates my silence but my silence will never penetrate your noise." Noise pollution is a serious issue in our society. Some people want peace and quiet. Richard >> You aren't forced to endure this. You just don't like it because you >> find it annoying. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Noise pollution is a serious issue in our society. Some people want > peace and quiet. Amen to that. We can start by mandating that motorcycles meet the same noise regulations that cars must meet. I find that a heck of a lot more offensive than chirps from alarms systems. >>> You aren't forced to endure this. You just don't like it because you >>> find it annoying. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > noise regulations that cars must meet. I find that a heck of a lot more > offensive than chirps from alarms systems. Different people, of course, are troubled by different types of particular noises. But they're all intrusive to someone. I feel that we need broadband quiet. Muffle eveything that's mufflable. In the case of motorcyles, at least here in California, I'm pretty sure that they've got to meet the same standards as cars. However, many the guys who drive them feel otherwise, and get off on removing mufflers altogether, and even adding gadgets that boost the sound. I think that the issue is enforcement (same as with boom cars); the cops don't do it. And (catchin' comes before hangin') it's hard for you or I to turn in one of these yokels because they're long gone before we can read the license plates, especially the little ones on the bikes. Dunno. It's a problem. Richard >> I am working on the design of remotes here at Rochester Institute of >> Technolgy and would like to here from some Hyundai owners. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > systems announce status with lights only, and absolutely no audio > whatsoever unless someone is actually breaking into the car. The Hyundai system IS completely silent, other than the sound of the locks actuating. It only chirps if you press the lock button twice, which isn't necessary in order to arm the system. The second press simply gives an audible confirmation of locking an arming for those who feel they need it. BTW, Joe's question was about the remote itself, which has nothing to do with whether the system is silent or not. > >> I am working on the design of remotes here at Rochester Institute of > >> Technolgy and would like to here from some Hyundai owners. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > simply gives an audible confirmation of locking an arming for those who > feel they need it. The chirp serves a much important purpose IMO. If a door isn't fully closed meaning the door won't lock, then the alarm will not chirp. Very useful when kids and elderly relatives don't close their door fully. >>>>I am working on the design of remotes here at Rochester Institute of >>>>Technolgy and would like to here from some Hyundai owners. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > meaning the door won't lock, then the alarm will not chirp. Very useful > when kids and elderly relatives don't close their door fully. That's cool. However, I don't want to be awakened from a nap because your grandma didn't shut your car door. We need an alternative system that's not alarming to a neighbor, such as, perhaps, a bright strobe light. And until the time has come when all cars are outfitted with bright flashing lights, I want the existing systems deactivated. Note that we already have a warning: in my Hyundai, if a door isn't fully closed, the ding-dong keeps sounding _inside_ the car. What more does the driver need? Those chirps are maddening to have to listen to for me and for others who are sensitive to sound. It's noise, and even though the chirps are brief, they're damn loud. And alarming. The noise levels in our environment have steadily risen -- 100 years ago, there were no unmuffled small gasoline engines -- no leaf blowers, chainsaws; there were no boom cars, and no worthless car alarms and door lock boopers and whoopers driving everyone else crazy. In an urban area, the overall noise pollution has a psychological effect -- it certainly makes people tense. Time to get back to quiet. Richard >>>>> I am working on the design of remotes here at Rochester Institute of >>>>> Technolgy and would like to here from some Hyundai owners. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > the overall noise pollution has a psychological effect -- it certainly > makes people tense. Time to get back to quiet. While I'm all for reducing noise pollution, if the innocuous chirp from an alarm system is "alarming" to you, I daresay the the problem is you, not the chirp. If noise is such a problem for you, you should move to a more remote area where the ambient noise level is lower. All the complaining in the world is not going to significantly reduce noise levels in a city. Cities are what they are and no one is obligated to accommodate you. > While I'm all for reducing noise pollution, if the innocuous chirp from > an alarm system is "alarming" to you, I daresay the the problem is you, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > levels in a city. Cities are what they are and no one is obligated to > accommodate you. It's not innocuous when it's right outside my bedroom, focused by the alley. Cities can be quiet, too. People should not have to put up with abuse because they live in a city. Let's say that your neighbor comes home at 3:00 AM when you're sleeping and lets out a war-whoop locking the car door. People do that. Or, since you posted about motorcycles, how about the guy who blasts past your house at 3:00 AM with their Harley. It's all unwanted noise. In that case, since you are bothered by loud bikes, that one's your problem, too. Richard > > The chirp serves a much important purpose IMO. If a door isn't fully closed > > meaning the door won't lock, then the alarm will not chirp. Very useful [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > light. And until the time has come when all cars are outfitted with > bright flashing lights, I want the existing systems deactivated. You must be a very light sleeper or are sleeping in your car to be awoken by what really is quite a quiet chirp -- on my Elantra at least. Your bright strobe light idea sounds quite interesting. Hopefully for your sake that if implemented, it doesn't shine in your home and awake you in the night. > Note that we already have a warning: in my Hyundai, if a door isn't > fully closed, the ding-dong keeps sounding _inside_ the car. What more > does the driver need? You're missing the point. The alarm doesn't chirp if the door is not fully shut. The door ding-dong only happens when the keys are in the ignition I believe. I wouldn't be trying to lock the car with the remote if it were still with the keys in the ignition. > Those chirps are maddening to have to listen to > for me and for others who are sensitive to sound. It's noise, and even > though the chirps are brief, they're damn loud. And alarming. They are alarming by definition and on purpose. The chirp also serves to inform any potential car thieves in the vicinity that your car is locked. > The noise levels in our environment have steadily risen -- 100 years > ago, there were no unmuffled small gasoline engines -- no leaf blowers, > chainsaws; there were no boom cars, and no worthless car alarms and door > lock boopers and whoopers driving everyone else crazy. In an urban area, > the overall noise pollution has a psychological effect -- it certainly > makes people tense. Time to get back to quiet. Good luck with your quest. >>> I am working on the design of remotes here at Rochester Institute of >>> Technolgy and would like to here from some Hyundai owners. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > BTW, Joe's question was about the remote itself, which has nothing to do > with whether the system is silent or not. Actually, I'm on target. You see, I after my Ford was smashed up by a drunk, I rented a Hyundai Elantra to try it on. And, indeed, I set off the alarm from far away by accident. My causing a cacophony of whoops and blasts in the parking lot was caused by the remote's design, as well as the system's switching. The design of the system -- the lock/alarm/remote together is stupid, and this went the same way for the next car: a Ford Focus (the Hyundai was defective so I swapped it at Hertz). The issue is that most people actually press the button twice -- and sound the horn, or crazy box, because there's no visible confirmation of the first press. On the Ford and a GM car, I noticed that when you _unlock_ the car, it flashes the headlights. So far, so good. But when you _lock_ the car, you don't know because all it does is blink the dome light. Now, when in the world are you going to notice _that?_ So, you think that nothing happened, and you press again and whoop 'n blast everyone in the neighborhood. The mindless stupidity of the designers, and then the slavish copying of what's already been done leads to lots of unwanted bleeping, squawking, honking, angry electo-chirps. The OP asked about the handheld remote. Right there is one immediate issue that I discovered: it's too easy to hit the panic button by accident. But the remote is part of an overall system -- the whole thing needs some tweaking. The bottom line, of course, is the abuse of people who may be more sensitive to sound than the designer -- perhaps a guy who couldn't care less, and, "What the hell is wrong with you; get a life!" One of my work hats has been closely involved with human engineering (computers, mostly). And I'm amazed by how much people with brains overlook sensible accommodations and common sense when they design things. Here's a guy who was interested enough to ask, and I'm more impressed that he did than by his gramatical slip. Many engineers I've met aren't as aware -- they just want their designs to function, and off to the next project. A few years ago, when my late electronics technician friend was looking for a car, I recommended that he pay attention to Hyundais. I've been interested in Korean products since I began checking out the insides of some stereo products during the 80s. He bought an Elantra, and I was impressed with a number of design aspects of it. I honestly don't know if the cars are designed in Korea, in the USA, or both. But there's a little more thoughtfulness in the Hyundai's engineering than I'm used to seeing in domestic cars. So, what's common here is the application of some reasoning and consideration into design -- whether it's to the car itself or to the OP's interest in what the _user_ might want in the remote control. And I know he's a student, but here's a guy I'd love to work with on a design project. Don't you agree? Richard >>>> I am working on the design of remotes here at Rochester Institute of >>>> Technolgy and would like to here from some Hyundai owners. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > next car: a Ford Focus (the Hyundai was defective so I swapped it at > Hertz). So because YOU screwed up and set of the alarm, the system is "stupid". I beg to differ. It works just fine and it's silent unless you press the lock button twice or hit the alarm button. Figuring out the remote is NOT rocket science. > The issue is that most people actually press the button twice -- and > sound the horn, or crazy box, because there's no visible confirmation of [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > what's already been done leads to lots of unwanted bleeping, squawking, > honking, angry electo-chirps. So what does that have to do with Hyundai? The Hyundai system doesn't work that way. If you want to bitch about other cars, there are appropriate forums to do so. This is not it. > The OP asked about the handheld remote. Right there is one immediate > issue that I discovered: it's too easy to hit the panic button by > accident. But the remote is part of an overall system -- the whole thing > needs some tweaking. The bottom line, of course, is the abuse of people > who may be more sensitive to sound than the designer -- perhaps a guy > who couldn't care less, and, "What the hell is wrong with you; get a life!" You hit the panic button ONCE, so it's a bad design? Give me a break! The panic button is there and readily accessible for good reason. > One of my work hats has been closely involved with human engineering > (computers, mostly). And I'm amazed by how much people with brains > overlook sensible accommodations and common sense when they design things. Sure, that's a problem with a lot of products. However, just because one of us doesn't like something, it doesn't mean that it's a poor design or that most other people aren't happy with it. > Here's a guy who was interested enough to ask, and I'm more impressed > that he did than by his gramatical slip. Many engineers I've met aren't > as aware -- they just want their designs to function, and off to the > next project. What gramatical error are you talking about? > A few years ago, when my late electronics technician friend was looking > for a car, I recommended that he pay attention to Hyundais. I've been [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > remote control. And I know he's a student, but here's a guy I'd love to > work with on a design project. Don't you agree? As I said before, the only change I'd like to see is to make the remote thinner. Other than that, I'm happy with it. >> Actually, I'm on target. You see, I after my Ford was smashed up by a >> drunk, I rented a Hyundai Elantra to try it on. And, indeed, I set off [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > lock button twice or hit the alarm button. Figuring out the remote is > NOT rocket science. Uh, Brian, please read my material more carefully before you put me down. I posted about the bad human engineering of the confirmation circuitry, which causes people to almost always press the button twice; and whoop it up because they can't see the confirmation from the first silent press. Read the following paragraphs. Again. You quoted them, you know. >> The issue is that most people actually press the button twice -- and >> sound the horn, or crazy box, because there's no visible confirmation [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > work that way. If you want to bitch about other cars, there are > appropriate forums to do so. This is not it. The Hyundai that I rented worked this way. > You hit the panic button ONCE, so it's a bad design? Give me a break! > The panic button is there and readily accessible for good reason. It is too easy to hit by accident. >> One of my work hats has been closely involved with human engineering >> (computers, mostly). And I'm amazed by how much people with brains [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > of us doesn't like something, it doesn't mean that it's a poor design or > that most other people aren't happy with it. It's a thoughtless design that annoys other people. Annoying other people isn't cool, even if your attitude is "What's wrong with you: get a life." That's insulting, Bryan. It happens that many people are disturbed by unneccessary noise pollution. Just like you are with motorcycles. Hey, Bryan: what's wrong with you? I love the sound of loud-as-hell motorcycles. I'm going to part outside your house and revv my motorcycle: Vroom, Vroom, Bryan! Deal with it. Get a life! >> Here's a guy who was interested enough to ask, and I'm more impressed >> that he did than by his gramatical slip. Many engineers I've met >> aren't as aware -- they just want their designs to function, and off >> to the next project. > > What gramatical error are you talking about? "...would like to here..." Richard >>> Actually, I'm on target. You see, I after my Ford was smashed up by a >>> drunk, I rented a Hyundai Elantra to try it on. And, indeed, I set off [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > >Richard I only use the audible alert to tell me the doors locked. I like it. I don't really care at all if you don't. >>> Actually, I'm on target. You see, I after my Ford was smashed up by a >>> drunk, I rented a Hyundai Elantra to try it on. And, indeed, I set [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > and whoop it up because they can't see the confirmation from the first > silent press. You're making assumptions and touting them as facts. You have no idea how often people press their remote buttons twice. Judging by your other responses, once it too much. Intolerance will get you nowhere. > Read the following paragraphs. Again. You quoted them, you know. > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > The Hyundai that I rented worked this way. Current Hyundais do not. >> You hit the panic button ONCE, so it's a bad design? Give me a break! >> The panic button is there and readily accessible for good reason. >> > It is too easy to hit by accident. Really? I think I've hit it exactly once in the 15 months I've had the car and that was in my garage. That's hardly a problem. >>> One of my work hats has been closely involved with human engineering >>> (computers, mostly). And I'm amazed by how much people with brains [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > It's a thoughtless design that annoys other people. No, it annoys you. Do you see anyone else here complaining? > Annoying other > people isn't cool, even if your attitude is "What's wrong with you: get [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > loud-as-hell motorcycles. I'm going to part outside your house and revv > my motorcycle: Vroom, Vroom, Bryan! Deal with it. Get a life! If it gets to the point that I can't stand it, I'll do something about it, even if it means moving. I've already done something about idiot kids that drive by with their bass booming. The town I live in has noise abatement ordinances and the police will enforce them when complaints are filed. That's the way you deal with such things, not by complaining about them in a forum. >>> Here's a guy who was interested enough to ask, and I'm more impressed >>> that he did than by his gramatical slip. Many engineers I've met [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > "...would like to here..." And that's significant? >>> I am working on the design of remotes here at Rochester Institute of >>> Technolgy and would like to here from some Hyundai owners. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > BTW, Joe's question was about the remote itself, which has nothing to do > with whether the system is silent or not. My 2004 Sonata LX doesn't ever chirp even if I push the lock button twice. >>>> I am working on the design of remotes here at Rochester Institute of >>>> Technolgy and would like to here from some Hyundai owners. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > My 2004 Sonata LX doesn't ever chirp even if I push the lock button twice. Maybe it's broken? Regardless, you should sell it to Richard! ;-) Maybe it's my particular unit, but the "panic" button sticks. Also, on the Hyundai remotes, all 3 buttons (lock/unlock/panic) are on the face in close proximity. I'veset of the panic button by accident when holding a handful of keys. The VW Jetta "switchblade" remote has the panic button on the side away from the other buttons. New features? How about a programmable button for my garage door? Can you make it an MP3 player? |
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