>> '05 Elantra GLS automatic.
>>
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> Avoid Fram filters like the plague! Rumor has it that they're the filters
> that prompted Hyundai's warning regarding aftermarket filters.
> everyone alwas talks about frams being so bad, ive never had a problem with
> em or the motormaster brands that fram makes.
> i never once seen any info / proof as to why and what makes them so bad.
> that web site aboiut the oil filters being cut in half and looked at stated
> how they were put togterht ats about it.
Correct. They have much less filter area and inferior contruction
compared to other filters. They're crap.
> but no proof to a fram filter causing a engine failure.
That's a very difficult thing to prove, which is probably what Fram is
counting on. Additionally, they probably work just fine in most
applications. They don't work well on the newer Elantras.
> why would they leave a product like that on the shelves, its just beggin for
> lawsuits then...
Think about it for a moment. Fram sells hundreds of millions of dollars
worth of filters every year. Even if they had to pay out a $100,000 or
so in settlements per year, so what? It's a drop in the bucket (1/10 of
1 percent). There is no financial incentive to make their filters
better, but there is a significant incentive to make them cheaper and
promote the hell out of them. Since filters are blind items, people buy
into the advertising hype. Apparently, they've decided that cheap is the
way to go. Other companies like Wix and Purlolator are more interested
in making quality products.
Jody - 11 Dec 2005 05:47 GMT
i dunno, ive never heard of any engine failures regarding frams yet...
exactely how much less filter area do they have?
i use in my car now valvoline max life made by purolator..
>> everyone alwas talks about frams being so bad, ive never had a problem
>> with em or the motormaster brands that fram makes.
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> Other companies like Wix and Purlolator are more interested in making
> quality products.
Brian Nystrom - 11 Dec 2005 17:38 GMT
> i dunno, ive never heard of any engine failures regarding frams yet...
> exactely how much less filter area do they have?
It varies from by filter models, but it can be 30% of more.
> i use in my car now valvoline max life made by purolator..
Purolator apparently makes filters for a lot of other companies. They
make the generic filters that Pep Boys sells, too. The Pure One is their
premium filter that used a better filter medium than their standard filters.
Diarmud387@adelphia.net - 11 Dec 2005 20:49 GMT
$5 to $6 dollar filter recommended by manufacturer (OEM), save a buck
or two (and take a chance, perhaps $8 per year) for a $15,000 to
$25,000 car.
I'll never understand.
Jody - 12 Dec 2005 05:43 GMT
i think im going to stick with my purilator/valvoline max lifes...
1000's $ not worth saving 5.00
>> i dunno, ive never heard of any engine failures regarding frams yet...
>> exactely how much less filter area do they have?
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> premium filter that used a better filter medium than their standard
> filters.