Gentlemen, I have heard this rant ad nauseum in various posts on this site.
And when it comes to Fram's basic "orange" filter, you may have some valid
points about some of what is inside.
But the fact is that these filters, re-badged, are used by as many quick oil
changes facilities as any brand used in the U.S. Surely, these
organizations would not hang themselves out to dry if they were truly that
bad. And carmakers would be quick to put it out a "warranty void" on this
filter if they felt like these were a problem (yes, they can and will do
that).
To those who are used to using Fram (or even if you aren't), they have a
filter that has actually out-tested one of the darling filters on this site,
the Purolater "Pure One." It is called the Fram Tough Guard, it comes in a
gray box, and costs anywhere from $5-7 instead of the orange's $3 or so.
All the things you two say are lacking in Frams are in this filter, from the
sythetic media, to the improved drain-back valve and screen, to the quality
of the outer O-ring. This is the filter I use, and I use it because it is
the best one out there, bar none.
It also has the easy-grab end that the Purolater, Wix, and all the others
don't, the only thing that allows me to remove filters on my car without
renting Gumby for an hour.
Fram is on the cutting edge with other filters being designed for different
applications and specified uses (read also, higher price).
As for the other brands, both I and my best friend (both of us in our 40's),
have had only one oil-related failure in our long string of owned cars.
Both were filter related. Mine was a Purolater, his was a Wix. We both now
know better.
You are entitled to your opinion, but please do not equate a brand that has
survived for decades by making quality products with the equivalent of
dumping sugar in one's gas tank.
Tom Wenndt
>>> I'm using Fram filters from Aid Auto stores.
>>
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> Hyundai's TSB about using aftermarket filter in the Elantra. Purolator,
> Wix and Napa filters are good quality and work well.
> Gentlemen, I have heard this rant ad nauseum in various posts on this site.
>
> And when it comes to Fram's basic "orange" filter, you may have some valid
> points about some of what is inside.
Yes, I was referring to the basic Fram filter.
> But the fact is that these filters, re-badged, are used by as many quick oil
> changes facilities as any brand used in the U.S. Surely, these
> organizations would not hang themselves out to dry if they were truly that
> bad. And carmakers would be quick to put it out a "warranty void" on this
> filter if they felt like these were a problem (yes, they can and will do
> that).
I tend to not use anything used by a quick change place. That
"endorsement" alone will keep me away.
> To those who are used to using Fram (or even if you aren't), they have a
> filter that has actually out-tested one of the darling filters on this site,
> the Purolater "Pure One." It is called the Fram Tough Guard, it comes in a
> gray box, and costs anywhere from $5-7 instead of the orange's $3 or so.
Where is that test? I've seen only a few filter tests of any substance,
and although the Tough Guard is decidely better than the basic Fram,
I've never seen it place more than than in the lower part of the upper
third of the performance grid. Every test I've seen places the Mobil 1
filter at the top by a long shot, but then it is also at the top
price-wise by an equal margin.
> All the things you two say are lacking in Frams are in this filter, from the
> sythetic media, to the improved drain-back valve and screen, to the quality
> of the outer O-ring. This is the filter I use, and I use it because it is
> the best one out there, bar none.
Baloney. It isn't even close to the Mobil 1 filter. It still uses a
cardboard end cap last I knew.
http://people.msoe.edu/~yoderw/oilfilterstudy/oilfilterstudy.html
> It also has the easy-grab end that the Purolater, Wix, and all the others
> don't, the only thing that allows me to remove filters on my car without
> renting Gumby for an hour.
I haven't changed mine yet, but my other cars have easy access for a
filter wrench. If the Hyundai doesn't, that could be a problem.
> Fram is on the cutting edge with other filters being designed for different
> applications and specified uses (read also, higher price).
Such as?
> As for the other brands, both I and my best friend (both of us in our 40's),
> have had only one oil-related failure in our long string of owned cars.
> Both were filter related. Mine was a Purolater, his was a Wix. We both now
> know better.
I'm well into my 40's also and have never had an oil filter related
failure. I did use Fram's on my 89 Acclaim until someone told me that
the lifter noise I heard at startup was due to the crappy anti-drainback
valve. I switched to AC filters and the noise went away completely. I
haven't used a Fram in the 15 years since then.
I've used ACs as they are a good filter at a very good price, at least
they were when Wal-Mart still sold them. Now that they are only
available at GM dealers, the price isn't that great anymore, however, I
was able to buy a case of them online for about $4 each and that will
probably last me until I'm ready to retire the minivan.
> You are entitled to your opinion, but please do not equate a brand that has
> survived for decades by making quality products with the equivalent of
> dumping sugar in one's gas tank.
Yes, we are all entitled to our opinions. I don't equate using Fram
filters to dumping sugar in the tank, but using the basic Fram filter
isn't far above that. There are too many other good filters on the
market for anyone to use a basic Fram. And for the price of a Tough
Guard, you can get better alternatives.
Matt
> Gentlemen, I have heard this rant ad nauseum in various posts on this site.
>
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>> Hyundai's TSB about using aftermarket filter in the Elantra. Purolator,
>> Wix and Napa filters are good quality and work well.
I have to agree to disagree. 1997 Tiburon, 258,000 MILES, all on FRAM
orange filters. The engine has NOT required ANY internal work.
Brian Nystrom - 14 Feb 2006 00:49 GMT
>> Gentlemen, I have heard this rant ad nauseum in various posts on this
>> site.
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> I have to agree to disagree. 1997 Tiburon, 258,000 MILES, all on FRAM
> orange filters. The engine has NOT required ANY internal work.
Good for you. That doesn't mean that they aren't built like crap, which
has been well documented. Their filters recently prompted a TSB from
Hyundai about problems with using aftermarket filters (they didn't name
Fram in the TSB, but that's the problem filter they elude to). Ignore
the evidence and do whatever you like but, but I won't use them in my car.