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fred - 16 Feb 2006 03:03 GMT
Hi,
It is getting cold up here and I decided to look for my block heater cord
and I have no idea where it would be located. any guesses? It is a 2006 Gls
3.3l.
BillyGoat - 16 Feb 2006 04:37 GMT
What makes you think that you have a block heater?
bill

> Hi,
> It is getting cold up here and I decided to look for my block heater cord
> and I have no idea where it would be located. any guesses? It is a 2006
> Gls 3.3l.
Oleg Lego - 16 Feb 2006 05:03 GMT
The BillyGoat entity posted thusly:

>> Hi,
>> It is getting cold up here and I decided to look for my block heater cord
>> and I have no idea where it would be located. any guesses? It is a 2006
>> Gls 3.3l.

>What makes you think that you have a block heater?
>bill

He's posting from Sasktel.net. If any car dealer dared to sell a car
without a block heater, he'd be run out of town strapped to a bison,
and with a bushel of canary seed shoved down his pants.

Larry (also posting from Saskatchewan, looking at the outdoor
thermometer that tells me it's -23C right now)

Fred... on our '04 Elantra, it was kind of wrapped around the washer
fluid reservoir, if I remember correctly.
Jody - 16 Feb 2006 21:12 GMT
it was - 30 c here last night, few provinces over east nwo  =-)
> The BillyGoat entity posted thusly:
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Fred... on our '04 Elantra, it was kind of wrapped around the washer
> fluid reservoir, if I remember correctly.
BillyGoat - 17 Feb 2006 04:34 GMT
I have no idea how -23C is cold, does that thermometer have a F on it?
Actually when traveling thru the Yukon once (in the summer), I asked an
old-timer how cold it got in the winter. His reply was 30 below. When I
asked if F or C, he said at that temp it didn't make any difference.
bill

> The BillyGoat entity posted thusly:
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Fred... on our '04 Elantra, it was kind of wrapped around the washer
> fluid reservoir, if I remember correctly.
Oleg Lego - 17 Feb 2006 06:15 GMT
The BillyGoat entity posted thusly:

>I have no idea how -23C is cold, does that thermometer have a F on it?

It does, but I seldom bother with it.
It's about -10F

>Actually when traveling thru the Yukon once (in the summer), I asked an
>old-timer how cold it got in the winter. His reply was 30 below. When I
>asked if F or C, he said at that temp it didn't make any difference.

Well,-40C is the same as -40F. When he said it didn't make any
difference at -30, he was close, and probably meant that it was damn
cold in either system.

Tonight (right now) it's -34C, or about -30F.

They are predicting a wind chill of -60 or so tomorrow.
Not looking forward to going out in it.
Andy C - 17 Feb 2006 12:08 GMT
You must have anti-freeze for blood........That's freekin cold.

Reminds me of of a college camping trip with a bunch of buddys on a
thanksgiving weekend...many ..many moons ago. It got down to -8F.
Even with half of us drunker than a skunk it was bad.... At least colman
fuel starts a fire damn fast...thou that 50 foot pillar of flame can draw
attention.
> The BillyGoat entity posted thusly:
>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> They are predicting a wind chill of -60 or so tomorrow.
> Not looking forward to going out in it.
Oleg Lego - 17 Feb 2006 20:00 GMT
The Andy C entity posted thusly:

>You must have anti-freeze for blood........That's freekin cold.

Wish I did! I just layer on enough clothing and try to keep any
exposed skin out of the wind. This morning, when I went out, it was
about -32C (about -25F),with winds about 70-80 km/hr.

I put on a pair of longies (thermal underwear with long legs), a pair
of track pants, a pair of wind pants, a T-shirt, a long sleeved
flannel shirt, a down jacket with hood, gauntlet-style mitts, a
balaclava and a toque (a knit cap, for you USAns, like the cap Stan
wears on South Park), and pair of lined rubber boots over ordinary
socks.

With the hood up, I was just comfortable as long as I faced away from
the wind. Turning to face the wind, which was unavoidable, my face
hurt.. Staying that way for long would definitely result in frostbite
on any exposed skin within a few minutes. Whenever I happened to be in
a sheltered spot, with no wind, I was uncomfortably hot and starting
to sweat.

After about 10-15 minutes, my fingers started to get pretty darned
cold, and about 5 minutes after that, my toes started feeling it.

It's usually only a few days at a time, though. They are saying our
high tomorrow will be about -9C  (about +15F).

>Reminds me of of a college camping trip with a bunch of buddys on a
>thanksgiving weekend...many ..many moons ago. It got down to -8F.
>Even with half of us drunker than a skunk it was bad.... At least colman
>fuel starts a fire damn fast...thou that 50 foot pillar of flame can draw
>attention.

-8, eh? Yeah, that kind of weather makes me button up my shirt
alright. :-)
Rev. Tom Wenndt - 17 Feb 2006 16:43 GMT
Two things regarding the conversion from F to C.

**There are exactly 9 Farenheit degrees for every 5 Celsius degrees (and so,
18 F for every 10 C).  Since 32 Farenheit is 0 Celsius, that means that 41 F
is 5 C, 50F is 10C, and so forth.  Conversely, -10C is 14F, -20C is -6F and
so forth.

**-40 is the same temperature for both Farenheit and Celsius (now THAT is
cold).

So, yes, -23C would be somewhere around -12F.

COLD, no matter how you say it.

Tom Wenndt

> The BillyGoat entity posted thusly:
>
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> They are predicting a wind chill of -60 or so tomorrow.
> Not looking forward to going out in it.
Eric G. - 17 Feb 2006 17:50 GMT
> Two things regarding the conversion from F to C.
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> So, yes, -23C would be somewhere around -12F.

Actually -23C is -9.4F  Your facts at the beginning are correct, but your
math is wrong.  -20C is -4F

(C*1.8)+32 = F
(F-32)/1.8 = C

Eric
A. Sinan Unur - 17 Feb 2006 13:00 GMT
"BillyGoat" <not-at@comcast.net> wrote in news:zYSdnXTHQ5Lvz2jeRVn-
pw@comcast.com:

> I have no idea how -23C is cold, does that thermometer have a F on it?
> Actually when traveling thru the Yukon once (in the summer), I asked an
> old-timer how cold it got in the winter. His reply was 30 below. When I
> asked if F or C, he said at that temp it didn't make any difference.

It doesn't really. It is trivial to show that both scales are equal
at -40.

C = 32 + 1.8 F

Sinan

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fred - 18 Feb 2006 17:49 GMT
After calling the "local dealer" and asking where the block heater was they
alluded to the fact that it wasn't installed .
I would have to book an appointment for them to inspect this. Sure enough
there wasn't one and they installed it. My poor wife sat through 2.5 hours
of service "inconsideration" (they don't offer courtesy rides on the
weekend-but fail to inform you of this when you book)
they finally put one in. Interestingly a couple walked in with an XG350 and
got the Royal service, and a courtesy car. Dealers they are all alike.Why do
we pay PDI-what the hell are they doing?
> "BillyGoat" <not-at@comcast.net> wrote in news:zYSdnXTHQ5Lvz2jeRVn-
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> Sinan
Mike Marlow - 18 Feb 2006 23:24 GMT
> After calling the "local dealer" and asking where the block heater was they
> alluded to the fact that it wasn't installed .
> I would have to book an appointment for them to inspect this. Sure enough
> there wasn't one and they installed it. My poor wife sat through 2.5 hours
> of service "inconsideration" (they don't offer courtesy rides on the
> weekend-but fail to inform you of this when you book)

I get so tired of pampered, all-about-me whinners complaining about the
dealer and how put out they were.  You didn't ask about a courtesey car and
just assumed that you deserved one.  Suddenly it's the dealer's fault for
not advising you?  Why should the dealer provide you a car simply because
you brought yours in to have something installed that isn't even part of the
standard factory equipment?  You bought the car used, right?  Who should
have made sure the block heater was installed?  You.  But now the dealer is
inconveniencing you.  Bull.

Your poor wife had to endure 2.5 hours of service "inconsideration"?  What
do you expect when you bring a car in for service?  Do you expect that they
drop everything and wave their magic wand and fix your  car in the wink of
an eye?  How long have you been on this earth?  You want the car altered but
you don't want to afford the dealer the time to do the  job.

> they finally put one in. Interestingly a couple walked in with an XG350 and
> got the Royal service, and a courtesy car. Dealers they are all alike.Why do
> we pay PDI-what the hell are they doing?

Maybe they bought that car there.  Maybe they've purchases more than one car
there.  Maybe they didn't just come in to get their own goof up corrected
and expect the dealer to fall all over them.

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fred - 19 Feb 2006 01:08 GMT
For your information the car was purchased as new. In this part of the world
block heaters are standard equipment on all vehicles. When customer service
tells you that no one is available to give you a ride and then you see eight
salesmaen and other support staff standing around watching a hockey game and
prentending they are busy don't give me this crap.In my world it is called
customer service-ever hear of it?

>> After calling the "local dealer" and asking where the block heater was
> they
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> there.  Maybe they didn't just come in to get their own goof up corrected
> and expect the dealer to fall all over them.
Mike Marlow - 19 Feb 2006 13:13 GMT
> For your information the car was purchased as new. In this part of the world
> block heaters are standard equipment on all vehicles. When customer service
> tells you that no one is available to give you a ride and then you see eight
> salesmaen and other support staff standing around watching a hockey game and
> prentending they are busy don't give me this crap.In my world it is called
> customer service-ever hear of it?

No - I don't expect someone to be there at my beck and call simply because
I'm there.  Their pupose for being at the dealership is not to give you a
lift because you want one.  Sorry - you lose.

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fred - 19 Feb 2006 13:39 GMT
Let me quess-you are a car slesmen or service rep.
> Hi,
> It is getting cold up here and I decided to look for my block heater cord
> and I have no idea where it would be located. any guesses? It is a 2006
> Gls 3.3l.
nothermark - 19 Feb 2006 16:27 GMT
>Let me quess-you are a car slesmen or service rep.
>> Hi,
>> It is getting cold up here and I decided to look for my block heater cord
>> and I have no idea where it would be located. any guesses? It is a 2006
>> Gls 3.3l.

Ontario CA?  Block heater listed as dealer installable option.  

So are you telling me Canadians are now rude?   ;-)
Oleg Lego - 19 Feb 2006 19:49 GMT
The nothermark entity posted thusly:

>>Let me quess-you are a car slesmen or service rep.
>>> Hi,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>So are you telling me Canadians are now rude?   ;-)

Sorry about that. He's in Saskatchewan, but perhaps he moved here from
Quebec.
Mike Marlow - 19 Feb 2006 20:35 GMT
> Let me quess-you are a car slesmen or service rep.

Neither.  Not even close.  Just someone who gets tired of useless people
who come into forums complaining about what everyone else is not doing for
them.  Whine, whine, whine.

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Eric G. - 19 Feb 2006 20:55 GMT
>> Let me quess-you are a car slesmen or service rep.
>
>  Neither.  Not even close.  Just someone who gets tired of useless
>  people
> who come into forums complaining about what everyone else is not doing
> for them.  Whine, whine, whine.

You should try to use the delete button, Mike.  The OP had a valid
complaint for the area he/she lives in.  The dealer screwed up and should
have made every effort to make up for that screw up.  Not having anyone
available to drop someone off while 8 salesmen are watching a hockey game
sounds a little rude to me considering they made the mistake.

This is one reason why most, if not all, Hyundai dealers suck.

Speaking of whining...aren't you also whining every time someone comes here
to complain about something?  Whine, whine, whine.  Why don't you try to
help them or STFU already?

Eric
Mike Marlow - 19 Feb 2006 22:29 GMT
> You should try to use the delete button, Mike.  The OP had a valid
> complaint for the area he/she lives in.  The dealer screwed up and should
> have made every effort to make up for that screw up.  Not having anyone
> available to drop someone off while 8 salesmen are watching a hockey game
> sounds a little rude to me considering they made the mistake.

You're probably right that I should ignore the guy Eric, but he has no such
legitimate complaint.  Sure, block heaters are normal *optional* equipment
up there, but he purchased the car.  It *is* an optional piece of equipment.
He should have made sure he was ordering it.  Wouldn't you make sure you
were getting AC or a CD changer or some other piece of equipment?  Frankly,
a 2.5 hour wait is not an abuse of an individual.  That's pretty good time
all things considered.  It's not the salesmen's jobs to run people around.
Especially for such a short repair.

> This is one reason why most, if not all, Hyundai dealers suck.

Geeze - ours has treated us great.  We've been in for a bit of warranty work
and I let them do some other non-warranty stuff after negotiating a rate
that was only slightly higher than it would have cost me to do the work at
home.  Fast service, good service, what more could one ask for?

> Speaking of whining...aren't you also whining every time someone comes here
> to complain about something?  Whine, whine, whine.  Why don't you try to
> help them or STFU already?

You haven't read too many of my posts have you Eric?  Why do I get tired of
the complaining like this guy did?  Because of exactly what you said - they
come here to complain.  Lots of us here are willing to offer advice from
experience working on lots of cars over lots of years.  Those that want to
come here to bitch... well... screw them.  They can just as well listen to
my bitching.  There - good enough?  Now take your own advice - plonk me and
STFU.

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Eric G. - 20 Feb 2006 01:21 GMT
>> You should try to use the delete button, Mike.  The OP had a valid
>> complaint for the area he/she lives in.  The dealer screwed up and
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> not the salesmen's jobs to run people around. Especially for such a
> short repair.

The term "optional" is a piss poor use of the word IMHO.  It's as
"optional" a piece of equipment as a rear defroster is im my part of the
world.  I guess so many people got screwed over by dealers here that they
actually had to pass a LAW to make the damned things required equipment.  
And while I agree that 2.5 hours is not totally unreasonable of a wait
time, if the salesmen want a repeat customer, it IS their job to run people
around if not busy with other customers.  Personally, I wouldn't buy
another car at that dealer if they treated me like that.

>> This is one reason why most, if not all, Hyundai dealers suck.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> cost me to do the work at home.  Fast service, good service, what more
> could one ask for?

You have been extremely lucky.  In all honesty, so have I.  My dealer is
great, but I have purchased six cars from him now.  The only problem I have
with them is that the parts department is extremely pricey on their OEM
stuff.

>>Speaking of whining...aren't you also whining every time someone
>> comes here
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> They can just as well listen to my bitching.  There - good enough?
> Now take your own advice - plonk me and STFU.

I have seen probably all of your posts.  Anytime someone complains about
something you jump right down their throat.  As far as I can tell, this
group is about Hyundai's and everything about them.  Not just about what
Mike wants to read and help with.  

With that said, I wish we could all emulate HyundaiTech.  If he doesn't
have something constructive to add to a conversation, he just doesn't add
anything at all.  I wish I had that restraint too.  Maybe it's the cop in
me that tries to help out anyone I can by defending them to people like
you.  I don't know.  But one thing I do know is that I don't add people to
my killfile unless they post kiddie porn or something like that.

I just can't understand why you can't be happy just letting the whiners
whine, and helping those that you feel worthy of helping.

Eric
Mike Marlow - 20 Feb 2006 01:53 GMT
> I just can't understand why you can't be happy just letting the whiners
> whine, and helping those that you feel worthy of helping.

Guess it's just my sweet disposition coming through.

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Oleg Lego - 20 Feb 2006 03:24 GMT
The Mike Marlow entity posted thusly:

>You're probably right that I should ignore the guy Eric, but he has no such
>legitimate complaint.  Sure, block heaters are normal *optional* equipment
>up there, but he purchased the car.  It *is* an optional piece of equipment.
>He should have made sure he was ordering it.  Wouldn't you make sure you
>were getting AC or a CD changer or some other piece of equipment?

Would you have ensured that you ordered tires? A heater? Headlights?
A block heater, in a new car purchased in Saskatchewan does NOT have
to be ordered, from any dealer, for ANY kind of car or truck.
Mike Marlow - 20 Feb 2006 12:43 GMT
> The Mike Marlow entity posted thusly:
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> A block heater, in a new car purchased in Saskatchewan does NOT have
> to be ordered, from any dealer, for ANY kind of car or truck.

Ok - I will accept that.  I'll take that statement one step further and
blame the dealer for some form of oversight - neglect if one really wants to
be aggressive in casting blame.  That being the case I'd expect the dealer
to do install asap, at no charge to me, since it appears to be something
that virtually every car requires and no reasonable person would expect
otherwise.  I'd bet a tidy sum that one could even leverage that into
something advantageous to them, since as you say, it's a must have option on
all cars.  Once could most likely have turned that into a deal for three or
four free oil changes (complete), or something else of comparable value (to
the customer).  Oversights are a part of human nature and they can be dealt
with in a lot of ways.  One is to jump into slander mode, another is to get
the responsible party to acknowledge the inconvenience to the owner, and
come to some agreeable compensation.  Everybody wins.

From what the OP posted though, it sounded like the dealer accommodated this
pretty well.  He didn't complain about paying for the work, about the car
being tied up for a couple of days (as can often be the case with busy
dealers), or a host of other potential problems.  He got serviced in 2.5
hours on a Saturday.  That's pretty doggoned reasonable for any service
bay - dealer or independent.

What triggered me was the way he went off on the lack of a loaner car for
such a short piece of work and having to wait 2.5 hours for the work.  None
of us likes to wait, but we all have to.  People have to wait on us, and
it's just a reality of life.

But... all of that is just my perspective.

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nothermark - 21 Feb 2006 01:51 GMT
>The Mike Marlow entity posted thusly:
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>A block heater, in a new car purchased in Saskatchewan does NOT have
>to be ordered, from any dealer, for ANY kind of car or truck.

FWIW - heaters were optional until air conditioning became common.
Some states required them but they were broken out as optional
equipment.  It used to be one of the problems with bringing those fine
southern cars up north.  Tires and headlights are univerally
government mandated so they are not an option in the US or Canada.  I
do not know about other parts of the world. :-)  From a little poking
through Google it appears block heaters are common but probably not
legally mandated by State, Federal or Provincial government.  My guess
is that it was a dealer installed option.  I can think of several
reasons why it might not have been installed.  The first is that if
you don't ask the dealer saves the cost as he figures you don't use it
anyway.  

Mike may jump quicker but several other folks would do it if he
didn't.  I'd like to know the rest of the story.  Did fred beat every
last nickle out of the dealer so he got what he deserverved or pay top
buck with no serice in return?  Why didn't his wife do some due
diligence beforehand?  It appears she snoozed and lost.  Why didn't he
go get her in his other car if he was so worried?  My dealer will rent
me a loaner for $10/day to cover gas and insurance.  Did he get that
offer and decline?  Was he promised a quick turnaround or told they
would try to squeeze it in?  Why would anyone expect a salesman to
give them a ride?  He would then have to go get them.  His job is
selling cars not riding around.  if folks want answers we are happy to
try to help.  If they want to whine they should be told to grow up.
Eric G. - 21 Feb 2006 12:37 GMT
>>The Mike Marlow entity posted thusly:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
> selling cars not riding around.  if folks want answers we are happy to
> try to help.  If they want to whine they should be told to grow up.

All I can add is that you probably know the old saying about
opinions....
Mike Marlow - 21 Feb 2006 13:29 GMT
> All I can add is that you probably know the old saying about
> opinions....

That's the beauty of it all Eric.  The statement is so universal that it
immediately applies to the speaker as much as it does to the one being
spoken to.  It's also part of what makes usenet what it is - and I think
that's in a good sense.  It's a free forum wherein all of those opinions are
likely to appear.  It's interesting to watch from which corners come the
statements such as STFU, versus those which are simple disagreeing opinions.
Oh hell - we all do it to some degree or another, it's just an interesting
thing to watch.

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Eric G. - 21 Feb 2006 13:44 GMT
>> All I can add is that you probably know the old saying about
>> opinions....
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> simple disagreeing opinions. Oh hell - we all do it to some degree or
> another, it's just an interesting thing to watch.

I wasn't denying that it applies to all sides of the conversation :-)  And
to the STFU comment, you were telling the OP the same thing, albeit in
slightly nicer verbiage.

And yes, it is interesting to watch...most of the time.  I would even call
it entertaining from time to time.

Eric
fred - 21 Feb 2006 23:08 GMT
Perhaps I could add more to the story as it seems to have taken a life of
it's own.
For starters, I had an apoinment booked for 9:00 AM. and when my wife
arrived and they refused her a ride because "she was told she was first and
it would only take 45 mins. The car sat outside for 20 minutes while people
stood around the TV and watched the hockey game.It was -30C outside and our
other car was not plugged in so starting it was out the question.If we had
been informed there was no courtesy ride then we could have plugged it in.
Also no loaner was offered. The real kicker was after she had been waiting
for 1.5 hrs the service rep approached her and said the car would be ready
in10 minutes "would you like a ride?", he asked. Now all of a sudden a ride
was available but the car would be ready in 10 mins.(turned out to be 20).
Why suddenly the offer of a ride -oh I forgot the hockey game was over.
So before the "your a whiner" starts all over again maybe you need to know
the facts. And regarding the comments about salesmen running people
around-isn't it funny when we were buying the car the GM told us "your
salesmen is a great guy and if he can do anything for you he will". He went
as far as to say if we ever left town on vacation he would drive us to the
airport. How things change after you sign on the dotted line.

>>The Mike Marlow entity posted thusly:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
> selling cars not riding around.  if folks want answers we are happy to
> try to help.  If they want to whine they should be told to grow up.
Oleg Lego - 22 Feb 2006 00:53 GMT
The fred entity posted thusly:

>For starters, I had an apoinment booked for 9:00 AM. and when my wife
>arrived and they refused her a ride because ....

Saskatoon? Regina? Other? Dealership?
Jody - 22 Feb 2006 07:34 GMT
funny, our accent will start at even -40c not plugged in...
happened few times, forgot to flip switch =-P
> Perhaps I could add more to the story as it seems to have taken a life of
> it's own.
[quoted text clipped - 57 lines]
>> selling cars not riding around.  if folks want answers we are happy to
>> try to help.  If they want to whine they should be told to grow up.
fred - 23 Feb 2006 01:50 GMT
After receiving an apology from the dealer I feel this discuusion can be
closed. Sorry for going off topic but sometimes you need to rant.

> funny, our accent will start at even -40c not plugged in...
> happened few times, forgot to flip switch =-P
[quoted text clipped - 60 lines]
>>> selling cars not riding around.  if folks want answers we are happy to
>>> try to help.  If they want to whine they should be told to grow up.
 
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