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Car Forum / Hyundai Cars / June 20062006 Sonata oil filter
In earlier posts, people were asking where to get oil filters for their Sonatas to avoid the high prices at the dealer. I yahooed and found several places that list multiple filters. For instance, http://replacement.autopartswarehouse.com/parts/autopartswarehouse/wizard.jsp?ye ar=2006&make=HY&model=SON-4CYL-006&category=All&part=Oil%20Filter&dp=false lists three different ones. One of them is a Bosch, which is listed as OEM. The other two are listed as Hyundai specific. The Bosch one is $5.17. Shipping for three of them is only about $5.25. These should meet the requirements, shouldn't they? Tom > In earlier posts, people were asking where to get oil filters for their > Sonatas to avoid the high prices at the dealer. I yahooed and found [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Tom Thanks but these are for the 4 cyl. Sonata. That is a common filter.The oil filter we all need is for the 6 cyl. it takes a cartridge filter that I can only find at a dealer. Rob > > In earlier posts, people were asking where to get oil filters for their > > Sonatas to avoid the high prices at the dealer. I yahooed and found [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > only find at a dealer. > Rob Same thing here. I googled and the only source I could find was the dealer. I paid about $10.50 for the filter, O rings and drain plug gasket including tax. >> > In earlier posts, people were asking where to get oil filters for their >> > Sonatas to avoid the high prices at the dealer. I yahooed and found [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > dealer. I paid about $10.50 for the filter, O rings and drain plug > gasket including tax. I paid almost $20 for the same thing. I went to a local oil change facility which charged an extra $10 because this was a cartridge filter. They used a real Hyundai filter by the way. > In earlier posts, people were asking where to get oil filters for their > Sonatas to avoid the high prices at the dealer. I yahooed and found several [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Tom I went to a local oil change facility which charged an extra $10 because this was a cartridge filter. They used a real Hyundai filter by the way. > In earlier posts, people were asking where to get oil filters for their > Sonatas to avoid the high prices at the dealer. I yahooed and found several [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Tom > In earlier posts, people were asking where to get oil filters for their > Sonatas to avoid the high prices at the dealer. I yahooed and found several [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Shipping for three of them is only about $5.25. These should meet the > requirements, shouldn't they? My inner redneck says we need a remote oil filter assembly for these cars pronto, or an adapter... Can't beat a good ol' $2.50 Motorcraft FL1A. I'll mention this to my friend, he specializes in these sorts of things... (aluminum/brass/copper/etc casting/finishing) Plus, who wants to get their fingers all dirty, or have *that much* opportunity to introduce something abrasive to the 'clean' side of the oil filter housing? The world abandoned cartridge style filters for a reason... Oh well, I'm sure its some environmental boob that came up with this. If you *really* want to deal with the problem figure out a profitable way to recycle cartridge filters - this would fix the problem with new and old cars alike. Then again, theres a reason why anybody can buy R134A and its a serious pain in the arse (or a vacation to Mexico, which leads to the arse-pain) to get R12 - and it has very little to do with the ozone layer... :| JS Yea, you all are correct. I was talking about the 4 cylinder. When the dealer showed me the cartridge for the 6 cylinder, all I could think of was my 1954 Chevy that had a cartridge filter!!!!! Talk about a step backwards. Those were a pain in the arse, for sure. First thing you need is a cooking baster to get the oil out of the housing, I guess. What a messy job! Now I'm glad I have a 4 cylinder. You may beat me off the line (like I care), but I'll beat you out of the Oil Change Lane. :o) Take care, Tom >> In earlier posts, people were asking where to get oil filters for their >> Sonatas to avoid the high prices at the dealer. I yahooed and found [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > JS > Yea, you all are correct. I was talking about the 4 cylinder. When the > dealer showed me the cartridge for the 6 cylinder, all I could think of [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Tom Actually, it all drains down as soon as you open the lid. No mess at all! Now, as soon as Advance Auto gets their act together and starts selling the Purolator L35610, we'll start paying $4.00 a filter. You can get them to order it, but there's a $10.00 per filter shipping charge. > Yea, you all are correct. I was talking about the 4 cylinder. When > the dealer showed me the cartridge for the 6 cylinder, all I could [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Tom Tom, you couldn't be more wrong!! It is much easier, and faster, than crawling under the car, perhaps needing to squeeze in a filter wrench, having a mess of oil drip down on you, then getting the new filter, squeezing a bead of oil on the gasket, crawling back under and putting the filter on. I bet it takes me half the time, with less than half of the muscle work. And the canister completely drains when you pull the oil drain plug. Just remove the cartridge, put in a new one with two new O-rings, and screw on the cover. Done. Eric Wow, that sounds great. Now I wish I had that setup!!! Maybe we did make some progress in the last 50 years! Unfortunately, my 54 Chevy got 20 miles per gallon and look how far we progressed in the area. :o( That old car weighed 3250 pounds, too. Sad Sad Sad. Tom >> Yea, you all are correct. I was talking about the 4 cylinder. When >> the dealer showed me the cartridge for the 6 cylinder, all I could [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Eric > Wow, that sounds great. Now I wish I had that setup!!! Maybe we did make > some progress in the last 50 years! Unfortunately, my 54 Chevy got 20 miles > per gallon and look how far we progressed in the area. :o( That old car > weighed 3250 pounds, too. Sad Sad Sad. If new cars were allowed to pollute like your 54 Chevy and had its same performance, then they'd get way more than 20 MPG for the same weight car. We've progressed a long way in the last 50 years. My 4 cylinder Sonata outperforms most of the cars made in the 50s regardless of engine size and gets 31 MPG. Matt > Yea, you all are correct. I was talking about the 4 cylinder. When the > dealer showed me the cartridge for the 6 cylinder, all I could think of was [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I'm glad I have a 4 cylinder. You may beat me off the line (like I care), > but I'll beat you out of the Oil Change Lane. :o) I'm with you, Tom. I'm very happy with the four-cylinder. We'll also save on spark plugs, plug wires, coils, etc. And I don't think the V-6 will beat me off the line. It might beat me after 30 MPH, but the 4 pulls pretty good off the line if I rev it enough! If you compare the performance numbers (I posted a link to them some time ago), the V-6 has a very minor performance advantage over the four. I'm guessing the extra weight it carries and different gearing probably account for most of it. Matt Yea, Matt, I'm happy with the performance side of my 4 banger. Actually, 162 horses out of a 4 is pretty darn good. No complaints so far except a sticking drivers side outside door handle that doesn't close all the way. They'll replace it at the next visit. Tom >> Yea, you all are correct. I was talking about the 4 cylinder. When the >> dealer showed me the cartridge for the 6 cylinder, all I could think of [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Matt > Yea, Matt, I'm happy with the performance side of my 4 banger. > Actually, 162 horses out of a 4 is pretty darn good. No complaints so > far except a sticking drivers side outside door handle that doesn't > close all the way. They'll replace it at the next visit. > > Tom I have the same problem with my door handle. Guess I'll mention it on my next visit to the dealer. It didn't annoy me enough so far to think of it when I was there. But it does seem to be happening more often. Eric >>Yea, Matt, I'm happy with the performance side of my 4 banger. >>Actually, 162 horses out of a 4 is pretty darn good. No complaints so [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Eric Did they do the trim piece "recall" on your cars? They replaced the trim pieces on my car before I had hardly driven it (I think it was two days after I picked it up). The dealer said he had no idea why they had to change them, but this piece is right behind the handle and fairs it into the body. I wonder if that is causing the failure to close and is the reason for the recall. Matt > Did they do the trim piece "recall" on your cars? They replaced the > trim pieces on my car before I had hardly driven it (I think it was [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Matt I was not aware of that "recall" but I will check into it. What you describe as being replaced seems like the exact spot that is causing me the problem. Eric >>Did they do the trim piece "recall" on your cars? They replaced the >>trim pieces on my car before I had hardly driven it (I think it was [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > describe as being replaced seems like the exact spot that is causing me the > problem. They replaced all four of these little plastic pieces on my car. My door handles worked fine before and after, so I was scratching my head. And then the dealer admitted that they didn't know the purpose for that particular recall either. They did mine at the same time they did the seat recline lever, the cup holder insert and the headliner adhesive. Matt >>>Did they do the trim piece "recall" on your cars? They replaced the >>>trim pieces on my car before I had hardly driven it (I think it was [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Matt My handle works fine about 98% of the time too, so if you had the car only two days before the work was done, you may not have experienced the problem. All of the other "recalls" you mention were done on my car before I picked it up. Eric On mine, if it's stuck out, the car won't lock with the key fob! You think it's locked but it's not! Suprise Suprise. >> Yea, Matt, I'm happy with the performance side of my 4 banger. >> Actually, 162 horses out of a 4 is pretty darn good. No complaints so [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Eric > On mine, if it's stuck out, the car won't lock with the key fob! You > think it's locked but it's not! Suprise Suprise. Don't you open the door from the INSIDE to get out :-) I do, and haven't had that problem yet. I really hate when I am getting in the car and I close the door only to have it pop open again. Eric > Yea, Matt, I'm happy with the performance side of my 4 banger. Actually, > 162 horses out of a 4 is pretty darn good. No complaints so far except a > sticking drivers side outside door handle that doesn't close all the way. > They'll replace it at the next visit. I just got back from my first trip of any length with my Sonata and was disappointed in the mileage. I got 30.8 on the outbound leg (200 miles) which is basically what I've been getting commuting to work. This was on good two-lane roads (routes 6 and 66 in Western PA), however, we did get caught in a couple of construction zones and spent a fair number of miles driving around Grove City so that may have offset the highway mileage. The car seemed to do real well on the way back, but I haven't filled it up to check yet. I made the trip back (190 miles) and the gauge was right on the 3/4 tank mark. I typically get 140-150 before it hits this point so I think the mileage on the highway was pretty good. However, I'll drive it to work this week before filling it again so that will bring the average down a little. Still need a good long highway trip to get a good test. Matt >> Yea, you all are correct. I was talking about the 4 cylinder. When >> the dealer showed me the cartridge for the 6 cylinder, all I could [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Matt Bear in mind that those numbers were for the LX model as I recall. The GLS V6 is significantly lighter than the LX, but a bit heavier than the GL-4. With my traction control off, I have done a few 6.5 sec. 0-60 unofficial runs. While I agree that it would be close to 30 MPH, I would be ahead and pulling away. With that said, the 4 has my respect compared to other 4's of the same class. Eric >>>Yea, you all are correct. I was talking about the 4 cylinder. When >>>the dealer showed me the cartridge for the 6 cylinder, all I could [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > pulling away. With that said, the 4 has my respect compared to other 4's > of the same class. That wasn't my recollection, but unfortunately the web site now has the 07 models. The big difference was the V-6 vs. the 4, not the trip levels. Even the automatic trans doesn't add that much weight, it was the engine and the heavier suspension required to support it that appears to be the big difference. Even for the 07 models the Limited (which appears to be the successor to the LX) and the SE (appears to be similar to the former GXL-V6) have identical weights. The GLS (successor to the GL) weighs more than 200 lbs less than the SE and Limited with the standard transmission and just under 200 lbs less with the automatic. 200 lbs makes a difference on a car that weighs less than 3500 lbs. The standard shift tranny also has a slightly lower final drive ratio than the 5 speed automatic (althought it is higher than the 4 speed auto if the web site is correct - but this doesn't seem right so I'm wondering if they made a typo). However, not knowing the 1st gear ratios I don't know if the overall ratio is less or more for the 4 cylinder. I'm guessing it is a fair bit lower given the relatively minor performance difference from the 50% more torque in the V-6. I suspect that much of that torque advantage is lost in the gearing. Matt >>>> Yea, you all are correct. I was talking about the 4 cylinder. When >>>> the dealer showed me the cartridge for the 6 cylinder, all I could [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > minor performance difference from the 50% more torque in the V-6. I > suspect that much of that torque advantage is lost in the gearing. I meant to also post this link to the weights. http://www.hyundaiusa.com/vehicle/sonata/specs/specs.aspx >>>>> Yea, you all are correct. I was talking about the 4 cylinder. >>>>> When the dealer showed me the cartridge for the 6 cylinder, all I [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > http://www.hyundaiusa.com/vehicle/sonata/specs/specs.aspx The 07's don't really compare. My GLS only has 16" wheels. I would imagine that is probably 50 lbs. right there, but admittedly, that is a guess. I can only guess at the rest too, since none of the car magazines that I read tested a GLS V6 (all LX's), but you've got a few other things that could easily add up to 50 lbs. or more. The final drive ratio is so small of a difference it is insignificant, but like you said, the 5 gear ratios could be different. Although both being 5 speeds I would suspect they are similar too. If you have ever been into reading the car magazines like I have for the last 25 years, you would know that the numbers even they come up with are variable and not always accurate. Car and Driver seems to have the most consistant numbers and it put the LX at 6.6 seconds to 60 MPH. I'd be willing to bet that the GL I4 would be in the low 8's for a 0-60 run. That is a very significant difference. You don't just add 50% more torque and HP and reduce your times by 50%, even if you could keep the weight the same. It is far from a linear relationship. Eric >>>>>>Yea, you all are correct. I was talking about the 4 cylinder. >>>>>>When the dealer showed me the cartridge for the 6 cylinder, all I [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > magazines that I read tested a GLS V6 (all LX's), but you've got a few > other things that could easily add up to 50 lbs. or more. I'm 95% sure that the 06 figures were similar with the V-6 models coming in ~200 lbs heavier than the I-4. Unfortunately, I don't see an archive with the 06 data at the Hyundai web site. > The final drive ratio is so small of a difference it is insignificant, > but like you said, the 5 gear ratios could be different. Although both > being 5 speeds I would suspect they are similar too. Usually standard transmission cars are geared much lower than the automatics so I suspect that the 3.77 really should be for the 5 speed manual and the 3.44 for the 4-speed automatic. Then the 3.33 for the 5 speed automatic would be consistent as it could handle a higher final drive ratio as it likely has a lower 1st gear given the extra gearset. > If you have ever been into reading the car magazines like I have for the > last 25 years, you would know that the numbers even they come up with [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > torque and HP and reduce your times by 50%, even if you could keep the > weight the same. It is far from a linear relationship. I was using the numbers Hyundai published. I don't see why they would have any reason to intentionally skew the V-6 vs. the 4 cylinder. I suspect their profit margin is larger on the V-6 so if anything the would want to make the V-6 look better against the 4 rather than worse. Since F=ma, if the torque is 50% greater then the acceleration will be 50% greater also since this is a linear relationship. However, since x(t) = 1/2*a*t^2, t=sqrt((2*x(t)/a)), the difference in time will vary as to the square root of the change in acceleration. So a 50% increase in acceleration will yield only a 22% reduction in time over a given distance (say 1/4 mile). However, this assumes all else is equal, which it isn't as the V-6 is a couple of hundred pounds heavier and has different gear ratios. I believe the performance posted by Hyundai had the performance difference being only in the 10% range. I posted the stats a while back, but don't remember them precisely from memory now. Matt >>>> Yea, you all are correct. I was talking about the 4 cylinder. When >>>> the dealer showed me the cartridge for the 6 cylinder, all I could [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > Matt Actually, isn't the aluminum block 2.7L *lighter* than the cast iron block 2.4L? Is the 3.3L a cast iron block? BTW - HP is a silly figure, the greater torque curve dictates the drivability of a car, the peak torque/HP means much less than most people want to put into it.. I do miss my Explorer's ungodly low-end torque... I don't miss the pansy french-built transmissions said torque destroyed... JS >>>>> Yea, you all are correct. I was talking about the 4 cylinder. When >>>>> the dealer showed me the cartridge for the 6 cylinder, all I could [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > Is the 3.3L a cast iron block? I don't know. I was going simply by the GVW published by Hyundai. > BTW - HP is a silly figure, the greater torque curve dictates the > drivability of a car, the peak torque/HP means much less than most > people want to put into it.. I agree. Torque is the name of the game for all practical purposes. Horsepower's only relevance is for top speed. Matt >> Yea, you all are correct. I was talking about the 4 cylinder. When >> the dealer showed me the cartridge for the 6 cylinder, all I could [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > extra weight it carries and different gearing probably account for most > of it. I dunno... Can you have 3 cylinders shut down and it keep running? On the 2.7 you can ;) Of course that only happens on the occasion a cam jumps time (ouch), or somebody forgets to plug the 'rear bank' of fuel injectors back in ;) JS I dunno, my 2.7 has http://www.wixfilters.com/filterlookup/PartDetail.asp?Part=51324 screwed to it right now. Damned nice filter. I think you could smack it with a roofing hammer and not dent it. JS > Yea, you all are correct. I was talking about the 4 cylinder. When the > dealer showed me the cartridge for the 6 cylinder, all I could think of was [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >> >> JS well...one more time...I got 06 Sonata V-6 filters from Haddah Hyundai in Springfield Mass for $6.75 with free shipping...the freeshipping was only for the month of March. I also ordered cabin air filters and engine air filters for Cheap!!! This is the third time I have posted this message...so if you guys want to pay 20 bucks...go ahead!! http://www.haddadhyundaiparts.com/ 800-444-2442 Can't speak for anyone else but I looked at Haddah when you first mentioned it. OK, no online ordering and no price lists. Might be a fine dealer but having to order by email or a phonecall is kind of last century. > well...one more time...I got 06 Sonata V-6 filters from Haddah Hyundai in > Springfield Mass for $6.75 with free shipping...the freeshipping was only [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > http://www.haddadhyundaiparts.com/ > 800-444-2442 OK see my new top post...www.hyundaiparts.net...buy 'em by the case on LINE!! |
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