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Car Forum / Hyundai Cars / September 20062006 Sonata V-6 Paint Problem
I have a 2006 Sonata V-6, bought last May, color crystal silver. the paint is "bubbling" inside the 4 doors, under the hood and under the trunk. The bubbles are soft, like if the paint didn't dry. The bubbles are located inside the doors, near the trim where the sheet steel is folded and welded. My hyundai dealer said "no problem, we will fix it" but I just don't want a brand new car been sanded and re-painted. Anybody experienced this? What should I do, as I don't want it to be re-painted? Thanks for advices Shaman "Shaman" <shaman2milleNoSpAm@NoSpAmyahoo.com> wrote in message > Anybody experienced this? > What should I do, as I don't want it to be re-painted? You don't want the paint, yet you don't want it repainted. What is your suggestion for a fix? They sure as hell will not be giving you a new car. While factory paint is usually pretty good compared to the corner body shop, there are many shops with sophisticated equipment for spraying, ovens for drying that will out do just about any factory. Find out who is going to do the work and check them out. > You don't want the paint, yet you don't want it repainted. What is your > suggestion for a fix? They sure as hell will not be giving you a new car. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > ovens for drying that will out do just about any factory. Find out who is > going to do the work and check them out. As long as it costs me 0$, there is no big deal. I do not expect a new car, but maybe some kind of "gift". But my basic question is "does anybody experienced the same problems with their new Sonata V6 2006 color crystal silver"? Shaman "Shaman" <shaman2milleNoSpAm@NoSpAmyahoo.com> wrote in message > As long as it costs me 0$, there is no big deal. I do not expect a new > car, but maybe some kind of "gift". No that's funny. Well, you found this normal? A brand new car, about near 30000$, with taxes... I know sometimes sh.t happens, and I know it's not a 70000$ car, but can we expect some quality in what we buy? What about the quality control guys at this Hyundai plant? And, if I am not mistaken, this is a new pplant, in Alabama, USA, not in Mexico where we can expect this kind of "cheap labor problems" Shaman > "Shaman" <shaman2milleNoSpAm@NoSpAmyahoo.com> wrote in message > >> As long as it costs me 0$, there is no big deal. I do not expect a new >> car, but maybe some kind of "gift". > > No that's funny. > Well, you found this normal? A brand new car, about near 30000$, with > taxes... I know sometimes sh.t happens, and I know it's not a 70000$ car, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Shaman No, I did not say it is normal. I do expect that they would fix it. What is funny to me is that you expect a gift of some sort. Poor quality can come from any plant and while it should not happen, it does. Reputable companies make good. I bought a Hyundai (pick it up tonight) because of my problems with a Buick that costs considerably more. I started being dissatisfied when the front seat heater went out and it was less than 3 years, but more than 36k so they wanted $576 to fix it. Then it was the transmission, two power windows, cruise control switch, coupled with rotors, wheel bearing, sensors and little stuff like that. > I have a 2006 Sonata V-6, bought last May, color crystal silver. the paint > is "bubbling" inside the 4 doors, under the hood and under the trunk. The [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Anybody experienced this? > What should I do, as I don't want it to be re-painted? Why not? Getting it painted is every bit as good as the factory paint job. I do agree that you should not be experiencing this problem on a new car, but things do happen.  Signature-Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net My 2001 V-6 sonata, just came off warranty in march, and I've experienced paint bubbling on all 4 door handles. I had complained to them before it went off warranty about the paint peeling. No other paint flaws anywhere but on all the door handles Well to my surprise..................no primer on the handles. I worked in a auto factory, and all our painters there had agreed that there was no proper prep work done on the plastic handles. I went to both dealers in my city and they told me to bad off warranty. So much for there 5 year bumper to bumper warranty. That is pure bullshit. I then proceeded to contact Hyundai Canada, and never contacted me about this problem. I also took it to one of the best painters in town and they told me the same thing..........bad prep work. I'm sh.t out of luck on this one. So I e-mailed the big kuhuna in Korea, and no word from them either. Customer service is not their priority I guess. Well I won't be buying another one of their cars ever again. There has been other issues with the car that never got resolved by them either when it was still under warranty. I had to fix it myself and out of my own pocket. Never, ever had this kind of problem with domestics. I worked as a toy mechanic a few years back, better customer relations, but their cars are over priced and are no better than domestics. > > I have a 2006 Sonata V-6, bought last May, color crystal silver. the paint > > is "bubbling" inside the 4 doors, under the hood and under the trunk. The [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I do agree that you should not be experiencing this problem on a new car, > but things do happen. > I had complained to them before it > went off warranty about the paint peeling. No other paint flaws anywhere > but > on all the door handles Well to my surprise..................no primer on > the handles. Do you have any documentation that you reported this before the end of warranty? If so, you have a very good case. I've had warranty work done twice when something was reported, but not fixed, under the normal terms. This was a case of the dealer not being able to find the problem until later. Well apparently the 5 year bumper to bumper warranty does not cover paint, at least in Canada it doesn't. 3 years on paint defect. I did not know that, since 5 year b to b warranty means just that to me... everything from ground up is covered, aside of coarse brakes and the like. And this all happened just around the 5 year mark. Don't know if it was documented by the dealership, and anyways, I have the written statements from a body shop and some co-workers confirming no primer on handles. Regardless of the age of the car, paint should not bubble and flake off while it is still relatively new. Still nothing from Hyundai. Nada. Hyundai refuses to cover their f.ck up from the factory. Like I said, never again will I entertain the idea of purchasing another vehicle from them. The dealership even knew I replace my cars every 5 years. > > I had complained to them before it > > went off warranty about the paint peeling. No other paint flaws anywhere [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > This was a case of the dealer not being able to find the problem until > later. < Hyundai refuses to cover their f.ck > up from the factory. Like I said, never again will I entertain the idea of > purchasing another vehicle from them. The dealership even knew I replace my > cars every 5 years. The part that surprises me the most about this is that the dealership won't do it for free for a good return customer. Or - are you saying that you buy new cars every five years, but don't have a history with this dealer? Seems to me that any dealer who knew you as a 5 year return customer would gladly eat the hundred bucks necessary to cover the work. Signature-Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net > < Hyundai refuses to cover their f.ck > > up from the factory. Like I said, never again will I entertain the idea of [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > to me that any dealer who knew you as a 5 year return customer would gladly > eat the hundred bucks necessary to cover the work. This is my first Hyundai. The dealership owner owns other dealerships and knows I've bought from him before. Plus a relative does allot of business with him also. Regardless, Documented proof that their is no primer on the handles very well indicate that this is a factory f.ck up. I don't care who covers the cost, which is more than a hundred bucks, to do it properly the door interior trim panels have to come off so that the handles and door locks can be removed from the door to properly paint them. Its how the whole situation was handled from Hyundai to the dealership. Our dealer has had many Sonatas returned for peeling paint & all have been repainted at no cost to them. They got free rentals too! This is a great dealer!!!! N Olmsted OH > < Hyundai refuses to cover their f.ck > > up from the factory. Like I said, never again will I entertain the idea of [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > to me that any dealer who knew you as a 5 year return customer would gladly > eat the hundred bucks necessary to cover the work. My dealer told me that this is not a "problem", this is absolutely normal as they put "silicone" (??) to prevent water infiltration. It is not supposed to be the paint bubbling, but the "silicone" joint that we see. here is the pic: http://server4.pictiger.com/img/591212/cars-and-motors/img-0538-2.php As I said in a previous post, I will show this to an independent body shop expert and go back to my hyundai dealer with the report. I took lot of pics, and asjked Hyundai to track this in their system too. Shaman > Well apparently the 5 year bumper to bumper warranty does not cover paint, > at least in Canada it doesn't. 3 years on paint defect. I did not know > that, > since 5 year b to b warranty means just that to me... everything from > ground > up is covered, aside of coarse brakes and the like. Yes, the bumper to bumper covers most everything, but they probably figure the paint is outside the bumpers and not covered :) >>I have a 2006 Sonata V-6, bought last May, color crystal silver. the paint >>is "bubbling" inside the 4 doors, under the hood and under the trunk. The [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I do agree that you should not be experiencing this problem on a new car, > but things do happen. I've seen few paint shops, other than very expensive custom car shops, that can match the quality of todays factory paint. And no matter how good, it is hard to match the color exactly given the weathering that has occurred already. And silver is particularly hard to match. Matt > I've seen few paint shops, other than very expensive custom car shops, > that can match the quality of todays factory paint. And no matter how > good, it is hard to match the color exactly given the weathering that > has occurred already. And silver is particularly hard to match. I've shot many gallons of paint Matt, today's paints do indeed match the quality of the factory paint. Hell, almost anyone can shoot a paint that will bubble off - that's a pretty good replication of the factory quality. Seriously though - today's base and clear urethanes produce a paint job that is every bit as good as what comes from the factory. Custom car shops typically use the same paint systems as the shop down the road, unless they are doing something unique like a restoration, and in the name of the restoration they are using period paints. Matching color is a matter of technique and product choice. There are products out there by manufacturers which specialize in precise color matches and they are very good matches. Nothing makes an absolutely perfect match owing to variations in formulas (both at the factory and in the aftermarket), and other factors, but the variations are quite minimal. Blending takes care of this and results in a paint job that well matches the factory paint. Most of us know that the re-paint occured, and we "can see" it forever in our minds. What we don't notice is that you can see variations in the factory paint across the car. Those variations we accept because that's the way the car came. The re-painted area bugs us simply because we know it's there and we become convinced it's not the same as the rest of the car. Then of course, there's bad paint jobs... Signature-Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net >>I've seen few paint shops, other than very expensive custom car shops, >>that can match the quality of todays factory paint. And no matter how [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > are doing something unique like a restoration, and in the name of the > restoration they are using period paints. I shot a few gallons in my younger days as well. However, and my wife can verify this, I can walk around a car and tell you with almost 100% accuracy if it has been repainted in whole or in part. It is hard to say for sure why, I can just tell. Matt Let's see: color match, orangepeel, tape lines, shiny areas that were formerly dull, etc. I see many cars that were repaired. On most, it's not obvious unless you're looking. But if you're looking, you can almost always tell. As far as the paint being the same quality as the (properly done) factory job, I don't buy that, either. In general, factory paint jobs apply a much thicker coat and use better adherence methods than a body shop can attain. That's not to say that you can't get a very good paint job, just that it won't be the same as factory. > Let's see: color match, orangepeel, tape lines, shiny areas that were > formerly dull, etc. I see many cars that were repaired. On most, it's > not obvious unless you're looking. But if you're looking, you can almost > always tell. I guess it is just in my blood to always be looking. :-) I can usually tell when a car has been repainted when I'm 30 feet away. Occasionally I have to get closer and look for the signs you mention above. However, the depth of the paint often just doesn't look the same as a factory paint application. I can't explain it, it just looks different. > As far as the paint being the same quality as the (properly done) factory > job, I don't buy that, either. In general, factory paint jobs apply a > much thicker coat and use better adherence methods than a body shop can > attain. That's not to say that you can't get a very good paint job, just > that it won't be the same as factory. And many factory paint shops use electrostatic added paint application which helps get paint in the nooks and crannies much better than most aftermarket paint shops. There are probably some that use such techniques, but I haven't come across one locally yet. And many car makers use painting robots extensively. Few humans can match the consistency of a robot for things like paint application, welding and adhesive application. Some of the top custom painters and pinstripers can, but not the average painter you find in middle America. Even most custom painters depend on finish sanding, polishing and buffing to get a shine that most factories get from the application alone. Watch some of the custom car building shows on TV. They generally sand off half of the paint they apply. Matt In the auto factory that I worked in, we had a robot that buffed the vehicle after final paint. It used some pretty abrasive compounds to get the final clear finish. > > Let's see: color match, orangepeel, tape lines, shiny areas that were > > formerly dull, etc. I see many cars that were repaired. On most, it's [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Matt > In the auto factory that I worked in, we had a robot that buffed the vehicle > after final paint. It used some pretty abrasive compounds to get the final > clear finish. Which factory was that? I don't think I've ever seen any post finishing in a modern auto plant, at least other than on a rework line. Matt >I've seen few paint shops, other than very expensive custom car shops, >that can match the quality of todays factory paint. And no matter how >good, it is hard to match the color exactly given the weathering that >has occurred already. And silver is particularly hard to match. Matt, It's not hard to beat factory paint these days. Factories are at a huge disadvantage to small body shops. The factories must worry about cost, weight, and emissions. You usually end up with a much thicker, more durable paint job than factory. With modern paints, it's all in the prep. A new car with no damage should be a snap to do a great prep job. I'm just wondering if a couple of more coats of clearcoat wouldn't pay you dividends on any new car these days. - Bob That's my point. I know sometimes sh.t happens, but on a brand new car... How come the guys at the plant have done this? And what about Quality Control?? Shaman >>I've seen few paint shops, other than very expensive custom car shops, >>that can match the quality of todays factory paint. And no matter how [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Bob >That's my point. I know sometimes sh.t happens, but on a brand new car... >How come the guys at the plant have done this? And what about Quality >Control?? The car makers are really up against it. If weight and emissions were no problem, the paint would doubtless be better. It's super expensive to paint cars, even at the factory. Paint must be an expensive, low emission type, maybe even water-based. Every little bit of paint must be controlled and disposed of in a very expensive manner. Waste paint disposal is probably more costly than the paint itself. Small shops don't fall under the same restrictions. They can use more volatile and dangerous types of paint, and their cleanup is not monitored in most areas. - Bob Well, in fact, I know you are right, but this is not My problem, it's THEIR! My problem is that I have a brand new near 30K$ car, 4 months old, and already have paint problems. My dealer wants to show this to the Hyundai representative. I'll keep you guys in touch with this issue. What I'll do, I will take lot of pictures of it, and go see 2 independent body shop experts for examination. I think you're right, bad surface preparation, or no primer at all. Maybé a hardener problem? Paint is bubbling, and soft to touch. Shaman >>That's my point. I know sometimes sh.t happens, but on a brand new car... >>How come the guys at the plant have done this? And what about Quality [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Bob >Well, in fact, I know you are right, but this is not My problem, it's THEIR! >My problem is that I have a brand new near 30K$ car, 4 months old, and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >preparation, or no primer at all. Maybé a hardener problem? Paint is >bubbling, and soft to touch. I wasn't excusing Hyundai at all. I was just saying how difficult it is to maintain paint quality with all the government regulations. I was also saying that a new paint job would be better than the original, because small body shops don't have all the regulations. - Bob >>What I'll do, I will take lot of pictures of it, and go see 2 independent >>body shop experts for examination. I think you're right, bad surface >>preparation, or no primer at all. Maybé a hardener problem? Paint is >>bubbling, and soft to touch. What primer? I hit a deer in May 06 in 06 sonata gls head on. It knocked the paint right off the hood right down to the bare metal . I have pics of this. I couldn't see any primer. >>>What I'll do, I will take lot of pictures of it, and go see 2 independent >>>body shop experts for examination. I think you're right, bad surface [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > knocked the paint right off the hood right down to the bare metal . I > have pics of this. I couldn't see any primer. Did you look at the paint layers with a loupe? It isn't unusual on modern cars for the paint to come off en masse. My minivan took a rock to the hood last winter and this happened as well. A chip about the size of a pencil eraser came off cleanly down to bare metal which of course began to rust immediately. It had primer, but you had too look at the exposed edge of the paint very carefully to see it. Matt If you want to place the blame for the thin paint check the VOC requirements the gov't passed. It's like a lot of things we are getting done to "protect" us. >>>>What I'll do, I will take lot of pictures of it, and go see 2 independent >>>>body shop experts for examination. I think you're right, bad surface [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Matt What's your email address. I'll show you "enmasse". Let me send you these pics. There is no primer. period. >>>>What I'll do, I will take lot of pictures of it, and go see 2 independent >>>>body shop experts for examination. I think you're right, bad surface [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Matt > Well, in fact, I know you are right, but this is not My problem, it's THEIR! > My problem is that I have a brand new near 30K$ car, 4 months old, and > already have paint problems. My dealer wants to show this to the Hyundai > representative. I'll keep you guys in touch with this issue. I sure hope those are Canadian dollars! Matt yes, iti s! ;-) Shaman >> Well, in fact, I know you are right, but this is not My problem, it's >> THEIR! My problem is that I have a brand new near 30K$ car, 4 months old, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Matt > I have a 2006 Sonata V-6, bought last May, color crystal silver. the paint > is "bubbling" inside the 4 doors, under the hood and under the trunk. The [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Anybody experienced this? > What should I do, as I don't want it to be re-painted? There is no choice if you want it fixed. This is very likely caused by surface contamination that was cleaned off prior to painting. It has prevented the paint from adhering properly. The only fix is to sand to bare metal and repaint. Yes, I always hate to have the paint touched on a new car also as it never looks quite the same. Matt My dealer wants to show this problem to the Hyundai representative. Now, I am asking: paint problems, what's next??!!?? I'll keep you in touch with this issue. Shaman >> I have a 2006 Sonata V-6, bought last May, color crystal silver. the >> paint is "bubbling" inside the 4 doors, under the hood and under the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Matt This is good! The dealer should be fighting Hyundai to satisfy his customer. I will be a 3 time owner if I trade in my 2002, but the 2007 Sante Fe looks like a Dodge Ram Truck with its blown out front. It is wider than my 2002 so I fear it won't fit in our 1940 garage. But I love my Sante Fe, I take very good care of him, 2006 Sante Fes are SOLD OUT at my Dealer & none to trade for. So that $8,000 credit is gone. So husband agrees we wait til 2008 to see what they put out there. > My dealer wants to show this problem to the Hyundai representative. Now, I > am asking: paint problems, what's next??!!?? [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > > > Matt >I have a 2006 Sonata V-6, bought last May, color crystal silver. the paint >is "bubbling" inside the 4 doors, under the hood and under the trunk. The [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Shaman I have read all the posts below...and I agree with you. Obviously it should be fixed at no charge...and any good dealer (or the company itself) would throw in a "present", be it some future free service or something. I currently own two Hyundai Elantra GTs (03 & 05) and am very happy with both cars. I will be buying one for my son soon too. I have had zero problems with either car, however, it seems to be a fairly common known fact that the paint on Hyundais is a weak point. Not like yours, but just very thin and very easy to scratch. It gets touched it leaves a mark and I also find this to be true. Don't sour on Hyundais just for this IF they take care of you properly. Good luck. > I have read all the posts below...and I agree with you. Obviously it > should be fixed at no charge...and any good dealer (or the company [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > on Hyundais just for this IF they take care of you properly. > Good luck. I'm noticing that on my Sonata as well. I waxed the car a couple of weeks ago for the first time and was amazed at the number of scratches in the paint. And the front of the rear fencers and the rocker panels are just blasted from stones from the tires. My Sonata has worse looking paint after 8 months than my Chevy truck does after 13 years ... and that is not an exaggeration! I'll take pictures and post if anyone wants to see them. I put mud flaps on my Sonata shortly after I bought it, but they are too short of be of much help. They protect at most the front half of the rocker panels. My truck mudlfaps are much more effective, but the paint also seems a lot more durable. Matt Thanks, jtees4, my Hyundai dealer want me to meet the Hyundai representative. It's looking good for an agreement, but, like I said, an extra "something" would be pleased. As I said, i'll keep you in touch with all this. Shaman >>I have a 2006 Sonata V-6, bought last May, color crystal silver. the paint >>is "bubbling" inside the 4 doors, under the hood and under the trunk. The [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > on Hyundais just for this IF they take care of you properly. > Good luck.
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