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Car Forum / Hyundai Cars / February 20072006 Sonata Oil Change
Hi; I changed the oil in my 2006 Sonata with a 3.3 V6 engine. Yesterday all was fine. When I started it up this morning, about a quart or two of oil was leak spilling out on the ground. The drain plug was fine. I replaced the oil filter cartridge and both oil rings on it. There didnt appear to be any oil leaking from the oil filter area. It looks like it is coming out by the transaxle. Any idea what it could be? Thanks Pat >Hi; > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Thanks >Pat Looks like the Soanta is still under warranty - take it to the dealer! One thing I learned the hard way is that you HAVE to replace that darn aluminum crushable washer under the drain plug. If you don't, I WILL leak. The stealership wants a dollar a piece for them. If you search the internet you can find Hyundai filers and the washers as a combo deal. Tom >>Hi; >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Looks like the Soanta is still under warranty - take it to the dealer! > One thing I learned the hard way is that you HAVE to replace that darn > aluminum crushable washer under the drain plug. If you don't, I WILL > leak. The stealership wants a dollar a piece for them. If you search the > internet you can find Hyundai filers and the washers as a combo deal. > > Tom When I bought the filters at my dealer (8.99) he gave me the washers. I never thought about it until he handed them to me. If he hadn't, I probably would have just re-used the original. Actually, no the guy that does my oil changes would have. He did not have a Hyundai filter as they are not readily available for his usual sources. > > One thing I learned the hard way is that you HAVE to replace that darn > > aluminum crushable washer under the drain plug. If you don't, I WILL [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > changes would have. He did not have a Hyundai filter as they are not > readily available for his usual sources. I found out about (and bought) the crush washer after my 3rd oil change. I have kept it in reserve thus far and just finished my 8th oil change (@ 24,735 miles) using the original with no leaks to report yet. KW > One thing I learned the hard way is that you HAVE to replace that darn > aluminum crushable washer under the drain plug. If you don't, I WILL leak. Really? I've changed my oil twice and reused the washer and had no leak. I'm only changing the washer every other change and that is working fine. I suspect it would last much longer than that as long as the plug is properly torqued. Most folks overtighten the drain plug causing the washer to crush unnecessarily and that will cause problems at some point. I'm still not sure why Hyundai couldn't use an oil plug like my minivan that has a little rubber o-ring built in or even like my old Chevy truck that has a washer that has lasted 13 years and 19 oil changes, but I digress. Matt >> One thing I learned the hard way is that you HAVE to replace that darn >> aluminum crushable washer under the drain plug. If you don't, I WILL [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > that has a washer that has lasted 13 years and 19 oil changes, but I > digress. You can get the crush washers at Advance Auto Parts. I've also been buying the filters from the Kia dealer for $6.00 each. I also bought a cheap torque wrench at Harbour Freight for $12.00. It's funny how what you think is "tight enough" really isn't when you use a device that tell's you when to stop. The spec for the drain plug centers at about 30 foot-pounds. I originally bought it when I put the trailer hitch on my car. The bolts for that are pretty specific as to how tight to make them. >>>One thing I learned the hard way is that you HAVE to replace that darn >>>aluminum crushable washer under the drain plug. If you don't, I WILL [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > originally bought it when I put the trailer hitch on my car. The bolts for > that are pretty specific as to how tight to make them. I tend towards the opposite problem. What I think is tight enough tends to be about 2X TOO tight. I can generate 50 lb-ft with a 5/8" combination wrench, easily hit 80 with a 3/8" drive ratchet and 120 with a 1/2" drive ratchet. I need a torque wrench to avoid over tightening things. My pickup requires 110 lb-ft on the lug nuts and I usually get to 100 with just an easy pull on the 1/2" drive ratchet. I rarely need more than another 1/8" turn with the torque wrench to get to 110. Matt >I tend towards the opposite problem. What I think is tight enough tends >to be about 2X TOO tight. I agree. You only need about 10 Lbs Ft to get a good seal. unfortunately, that needs doubling that to ensure the plug won't vibrate loose. I would like to see a plug with an O ring, with a nylon insert to prevent loosening. But,,, that would add .50 to the building cost of the car. - Bob >>I tend towards the opposite problem. What I think is tight enough tends >>to be about 2X TOO tight. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > prevent loosening. But,,, that would add .50 to the building cost of > the car. They could make it an extra cost option? :-) Matt Your right, Matt. I never changed the gaskets on my old cars when I changed the oil and they never leaked. On my first oil change that I did with the Hyundai, I followed my usual procedure of reusing the gasket and it pucked all over my garage. Now all is well. My son's Jetta is the same way. If you don't replace the brass washer on the drain plug it will leak like hell. Go figure. >> One thing I learned the hard way is that you HAVE to replace that darn >> aluminum crushable washer under the drain plug. If you don't, I WILL [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Matt I get them by the bagful from my dealership for no charge. And it is nice to know that someone else finally is saying this - I got taken to task on this board for making this claim. Yes, those crushable washers DO leak. Good news is that the latest bag I just got from my dealer is not the crushable ones. Just standard O-rings that should last just fine now. Tom Wenndt > One thing I learned the hard way is that you HAVE to replace that darn > aluminum crushable washer under the drain plug. If you don't, I WILL [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> >> Looks like the Soanta is still under warranty - take it to the dealer! Wow, a bagfull for nothing!!! My money-grubbing dealer counted them out and charged a buck a piece. That was a month after he raped me $75 for a 7500 mile 'check up' which, I found out later, didn't cover a darn thing that Hyundai required to maintain the warrantee. Hence, I change my own oil, keep receipts and box ends from the filters, and won't be back until I really need him. >I get them by the bagful from my dealership for no charge. > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >>> >>> Looks like the Soanta is still under warranty - take it to the dealer! Regarding those crushable gaskets (that I no longer have to deal with, and as I was told just this afternoon, are being replaced with "standard O-rings" at all Hyundai and Kia dealers), my rule was to tighten with my two smallest fingers. It could just barely crush the O-ring until it "just" seated tight. It feels almost loose (not too much trouble ever) getting it off the next time. Which goes to show you how tight some of these bozos tighten these things at fast oil change places and even dealerships. You would think SOMEONE would know better. But when I have tightened it this way, it never has threatened to want to loosen, and has never leaked because it wasn't tight enough. But those crushable O-rings did leak every time I tried to re-use them - every time. I shed no tears that I won't be using them anymore. Tom Wenndt > Wow, a bagfull for nothing!!! My money-grubbing dealer counted them out > and charged a buck a piece. That was a month after he raped me $75 for a [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >>>> >>>> Looks like the Soanta is still under warranty - take it to the dealer! > Regarding those crushable gaskets (that I no longer have to deal with, and > as I was told just this afternoon, are being replaced with "standard [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > crushable O-rings did leak every time I tried to re-use them - every time. > I shed no tears that I won't be using them anymore. Are we still talking drain plug here or the filter canister? I can't imagine a drain plug being only finger tightened and not leaking or backing out from vibration. Matt I was going to say the same thing, Matt. :o) I don't have enough b***s to only finger tighten a drain plug...... PS: I liked your other comment about acceleration of 4 versus 6. >> Regarding those crushable gaskets (that I no longer have to deal with, >> and as I was told just this afternoon, are being replaced with "standard [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Matt Sorry, fellas - I guess I do communicate rather poorly. I use my two smallest fingers at the end of my socket wrench, with the wrench pointing down. My guess is that I can still put about 20-25 pounds of pressure using that method, but no more (a torque wrench confirmed that once). And those two fingers can't possibly over-tighten it. It is tight, and when it is time to take it off, it definitely takes more than it took to get it off, but compared to what I have to do after someone else puts it on, it's a breeze. Tom Wenndt > Regarding those crushable gaskets (that I no longer have to deal with, and > as I was told just this afternoon, are being replaced with "standard [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] >>>>> >>>>> Looks like the Soanta is still under warranty - take it to the dealer! > Sorry, fellas - I guess I do communicate rather poorly. I use my two > smallest fingers at the end of my socket wrench, with the wrench pointing [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > but compared to what I have to do after someone else puts it on, it's a > breeze. Whew, you had me worried there for a second that you were a Gorilla that had learned how to type and change oil! :-) Matt My fiance has a 2007 Sonata and I'll be doing the oil change for her soon. I have a Honda and it too requires a crush washer on the oil drain plug. It is no secret that the more you take that plug on and off the more chance you have of stripping the threads (too tight) or leaking oil (too loose). You almost have to have a torque wrench to do it right. On my Honda I wanted something that would make this chore easier. I also wanted to be able to take oil samples now and then for used oil analysis tests. After dumping the factory fill, I installed a Fumoto valve and oil changes and samples are now a piece of cake. AND, I never have to worry about the drain plug again. The Fumoto is there forever. Some people are afraid the spring will come loose but I can't see how. Maybe a lot of off roading (which one would not attempt in a Sonata anyway) might present a danager but they have safety wires to place on the spring if you off road a lot. I'm sold on this contraption and went ahead and bought one for her Sonata (about $30 shipped). The device comes with washers and will work in any position you want, even upside down. If anyone is interested, I would suggest getting the one with nipple so that a hose can be attached from the valve directly to the drain pan. Like I said, nothing could be easier and you'll never get a leak - if it is installed right the first time that is. I know I sound like an ad but I'm not connected with them in anyway; I'm only suggesting the Fumoto valve as a one time fix solution to the problem of oil drain plugs and crush washers. MARTY Check to make sure it’s not leaking out of the oil filter housing where the cap installs. Oil that leaks here tends to drip or run off around where the transmission meets the engine. If not from the housing, take it in for warranty service > Hi; > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Thanks > Pat  SignaturePosted at author's request, using http://www.AutoBoardz.com interface Articles individually verified to usenet standards. Visit URL to contact author/report abuse Thread archive: http://www.AutoBoardz.com/Oil-Change-ftopict205845.html > Check to make sure it’s not leaking out of the oil filter housing > where the cap installs. Oil that leaks here tends to drip or run off [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Thanks > > Pat If he lost a quart or two that quickly, he better have it towed to the dealer. Driving it with that rate of oil lost would likely ruin the engine unless his dealer is across the street. Matt Dump a can of oil sealer and wait for 07 Accord come out. > Dump a can of oil sealer and wait for 07 Accord come out. And pay 3 to 5K more (here in province of Quebec, Canada) for less or same equipment. Good advice, thank you! BTW... nice nickname... nice addy..., a.shole! Shaman |
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