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Car Forum / Hyundai Cars / May 2007Would you buy another Hyundai?
If not, what would be your choice? > If not, what would be your choice? Buying today? Yes. But I only have 12,000 miles and six months on my Sonata. Perfect so far. Ask me again after I've had it for four years or so. Yes but not from the dealer that I bought the last 3 from in Weatherford Texas USA Richard > If not, what would be your choice? Huffiness Hyundai of Plano is great...that where I got my 2005 Elantra...and yes, I'll buy another Hyundai. :-) Liz > Yes but not from the dealer that I bought the last 3 from in Weatherford > Texas USA > > Richard > >> If not, what would be your choice? > If not, what would be your choice? In a heartbeat! (2005 Accent 5 speed.) But, Not from the crooked dealership that I bought this one from. Jack Cassidy Yes....got two now a SF and a Sonata.....Good dealer, in Regina SK Canada....treats you right!..... ...Del Sur Al Norte...Regina Sk. Canada Latin and South American Folk dance band: www.DelSurAlNorte.info > If not, what would be your choice? > If not, what would be your choice? Yes, but not going to. I got most of my family to buy Hyundais 2 Elantras and 1 Entourage (Actually 3 Elantras selling mine to family member). Nothing against them but they just don't have what I'm looking for right now. After looking around for the past few months I have decide on A Chevy Equinox as my next vehicle. Thought about the Tucson and a Murano but the Chevy is a happy medium, plus $1000 of because of my GM credit card. > If not, what would be your choice? Yes, but... I am at roughly 10 months and 8000 miles on my Sonata with relatively few issues and lots of smiles. As for the "yes but" part... Looking back, I wish I'd waited for the new Santa Fe. It just would have been the better choice for me. Maybe. I found a GREAT dealer in Plano, TX, Huffines (bought our 2nd one there), and a crooked dealer in Mesquite...(bought our 3rd one there). However, Hyundais are getting expensive enough that they are losing their cost - effective appeal. They still have their relative ease of maintenance going for them, however they are not as fuel (or emission) efficient as, say, Honda. Also, for the $$, surprisingly enough, GM cars are catching up fast... believe me that is hard for me to admit.... I have lothed them for 30 years - but they seem to have gotten their act together (almost too late). So either a GM or a Honda would probably be my next car.... or a vintage Porsche 911 if I won the lottery ;).  SignatureKWW > If not, what would be your choice? I won't argue that GM's are catching up fast. But, being a recovering GM apologist, I can tell you they are still nowhere's near where they have to be to start being competitive again. Still way too many problems I can only define as "GM'isms." I have an '03 Oldsmobile, and I, for one, am not seeing near the improvements I need to yet. Domestics are only slowly and begrudgingly starting to try to address their 3rd-rate powertrains - like the one currently in the Equinox (do not see why someone would think that vehicle is perfect for them). And GM's continue to have some of the worst seats in the industry. Now GM has just recently come out with a new 3.6L V6, being matched to either a 5- or 6-speed transmission. This is looking like a seriously good powertrain, but up until now, they are refusing to put it into vehicles like the Equinox (though it is now in the Equinox-based Suzuki XL-7). But until they get more history, and more of a dedicated willingness to do these kinds of things, right now Hyundai runs circles around GM. And Hyundai, by the way, is the only car company that Honda is taking seriously - and Hyundai and Honda are the two companies GM is studying the most for "how to do it right." > Maybe. I found a GREAT dealer in Plano, TX, Huffines (bought our 2nd one > there), and a crooked dealer in Mesquite...(bought our 3rd one there). [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >> If not, what would be your choice? > I won't argue that GM's are catching up fast. But, being a recovering GM > apologist, I can tell you they are still nowhere's near where they have to [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > seriously - and Hyundai and Honda are the two companies GM is studying the > most for "how to do it right." That is pretty dumb since Toyota is clearly the leader in almost every front in the auto industry. It is pretty sad when the car companies can't even figure out who is in first. Matt Yes, and I already have. I had the 2002 Santa Fe LX and just recently traded it in for the 2007 model. By the time I get rid of this model, they would probably have a hybrid version out and that will be the next one for me to get. If not, it would be the Veracruz. TS Rev. Tom Wenndt wrote: > > And Hyundai, by the way, is the only car company that Honda is taking > > seriously - and Hyundai and Honda are the two companies GM is studying the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > front in the auto industry. It is pretty sad when the car companies > can't even figure out who is in first. Obviously he should have had Toyota first or second. At our auto show I felt the Tucson would fit my needs, if it had a full sized spare. It looks like it would take one, if that foam spacer was cut thinner. The dealer didn't impress me by saying they didn't factory install a full sized spare so the narrow spare would remind one to fix the flat. >:) K> So either a GM or a Honda would probably be my next car.... He he he ... unbelievable that you would consider these two side by side. To me they are worlds apart. Best Regards Wayne Moses <wmoses@houston.rr.com> Sun, 08 Apr 2007 12:11:20 -0500 > K> So either a GM or a Honda would probably be my next car.... > > He he he ... unbelievable that you would consider these two side by side. > To me they are worlds apart. I agree. After the new 84 Accord that I bought when had its top-end self-destruct at 72,000 miles, I would never insult GM by lumping them with Honda! What an insult to GM. Matt MW> I agree. After the new 84 Accord that I bought when had its top-end MW> self- destruct at 72,000 miles, I would never insult GM by lumping MW> them with Honda! What an insult to GM. Haha ... I was actually ranking them in the reverse to you, for much the same reasons that the real car mags (C&D, R&T, etc.) and the useless (as far as cars are concerned, unless you are a soccer mom) Consumer Reports. ;-) Best Regards Wayne Moses <wmoses@houston.rr.com> Mon, 09 Apr 2007 19:28:37 -0500 > MW> I agree. After the new 84 Accord that I bought when had its top-end > MW> self- destruct at 72,000 miles, I would never insult GM by lumping [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > far as cars are concerned, unless you are a soccer mom) Consumer > Reports. ;-) None of those magazines look at reliability and CR only does through user surveys, not their own long-term tests. My Accord self-destructed at 72,000 miles and required replacement of the cam and all 16 rocker arms and had metal circulated through the engine for several miles before it finally completely failed. It was making noise at 60,000 and I had the dealership listen to it and they pronounced it normal. What really irked me was the treatment by Honda. The dealer of course said it was out of warranty, which it was, but also agreed with me that this shouldn't have happened. I sent a letter to Honda as the repair was something like $600 and I didn't have a lot of money in those days. I thought they might at least meet me halfway and provide the parts and I'd pay the labor as each was about half the total. Instead, they sent me a letter (which I think I still have in my files) accusing me of not maintaining the car properly as the failure appeared to be lubrication related. This was really dumb on their part as I keep a log in all of my vehicles and record EVERYTHING including every gas purchase and I keep a running MPG tally on every tank. I had probably 30 pages in the book by then so I copied them all and sent them to Honda. I also sent copies of my receipts for all of the genuine Honda oil filters I had purchased and the Mobil 1 oil that I used. They did something even more stupid and wrote a second letter stating that it "appeared" that I had maintained the vehicle properly but that the engine was out of warranty and in any event they considered 72,000 miles of service life to be within "normal manufacturing variance." Well, I've never had an engine fail that completely before or since and I don't consider 72,000 miles to be acceptable life for a modern engine so I decided at that point that Honda's standards simply weren't high enough for me. I haven't bought a Honda since and never will again. I've bought five new vehicles since then and Honda could have had probably three of those sales and maybe more now that they have a pickup. So, they lost 3-5 new vehicle sales because they wouldn't stand behind their product with $300 in parts. So, their business sense is as bad as their consumer affairs. Matt MW> What really irked me was the treatment by Honda. Now that I can understand because both in Canada and here in the US I am yet to go into a Honda dealership and not see some degree of smugness. I also went into a GM (yeah GM!) dealer once and encountered that same bullsh*t. Full of themselves they were and had no time to even bother themselves to come over to me to see if I needed any assistance. MW> Well, I've never had an engine fail that completely before or since MW> and I don't consider 72,000 miles to be acceptable life for a modern MW> engine Well, based on your description of the level of care you gave that car, it certainly appears to have failed prematurely. I think that Honda could have done a heck of a lot more in the interest of customer relations in your case. MW> I haven't bought MW> a Honda since and never will again. I understand. I think that Honda could have done a lot more to avoid that and the possible loss of business due to word of month. All of the above aside, I am _totally_ unconvinced that model on model GM engineering can be compared with Honda *or even Hyundai*. The arguments you made easily indicate you had a crappy Honda and their handling of the issue was just as crappy, but it did not prove that GM vehicles in general, and model for model, were more reliable or better by any yardstick than Honda. I have had friends recount similar experiences with their GM cars as you had with your Honda. Best Regards Wayne Moses <wmoses@houston.rr.com> Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:25:30 -0500 > The arguments you made easily indicate you had a crappy Honda and their > handling of the issue was just as crappy, but it did not prove that GM > vehicles in general, and model for model, were more reliable or better by > any yardstick than Honda. I have had friends recount similar experiences > with their GM cars as you had with your Honda. My GM experience has been more with trucks than cars. A Chevy truck is hard to beat, I don't care what anyone says. I had to laugh as the Toyota salesman was salivating when he saw that my current vehicle was a 94. He made some comment about my current truck being about done in, and I said that it was just getting broke in! And I wasn't joking. It runs like a top and has almost no rust and the interior looks like new other than a few stains on the carpet. The drive train has only required replacement of one U-joint on the front drive shaft and brake pads and shoes in 95,000 miles of plowing snow and hauling firewood. The clutch is original, the shocks are original, the engine is basically untouched (yes, original water pump, starter, alternator, etc.) other than maintenance items like hoses, belts, spark plugs and filters. This truck sees more time in 4-wheel drive in one winter than most Toyota or Nissan trucks see in a lifetime of running to the mall! :-) I'm less impressed with GM's cars as I get Pontiacs as rentals all the time, but I had a Buick Park Avenue rental a few years ago for a fairly long trip and it wasn't a half bad car. Other than steering that was too vague and a ride that was too mushy, it was a decent car. And it got 30 MPG running at 80 MPH on a 7 hour trip! And this for a large car that had pretty good performance. It got as good a mileage as my standard shift, 4 cylinder Sonata gets!! I personally believe that the engineering of the American brands is still as good as anyone, even the Japanese, but the assembly just isn't up to par. I still pretty much believe the old saying though that "A GM will run bad longer than most cars will run." Matt MW> My GM experience has been more with trucks than cars. A Chevy truck is MW> hard to beat, I don't care what anyone says. Apparently Ford owners see things very differently. The Ford F-150 is the US best selling vehicle (not just truck) for the past 24 years. I would also not dismiss the 2007 Toyota Tundra. Best Regards Wayne Moses <wmoses@houston.rr.com> Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:57:27 -0500 > MW> My GM experience has been more with trucks than cars. A Chevy truck is > MW> hard to beat, I don't care what anyone says. > > Apparently Ford owners see things very differently. The Ford F-150 is the > US best selling vehicle (not just truck) for the past 24 years. All things must come to and end. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17467382/ Also, often the Ford sales figures are compared to Chevrolet only, not to GM, which includes both the Chevy and GMC brands. http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/autoshows/naias2006/gmc/interview1.html Also, folks that buy Fords aren't known for having high IQs. :-) > I would also not dismiss the 2007 Toyota Tundra. I won't ask you to dismiss it, but I've already dismissed it. It didn't impress me overall any more than my current 1994 Chevy. Have you driven one? I'm hoping that Hyundai produces a pickup before I need to replace mine. However, if it looks anything like the Kia concept pickup ... I won't touch it with a 10' pole. That thing is butt ugly. Matt > Also, folks that buy Fords aren't known for having high IQs. :-) Hey! I resemble that remark :-) OK, I confess to dumbing down to an F-150 in 1999. I leased it too (what a dumb move that was). I also got rid of it before the lease was up because of too many problems to list here. It was a POS. The biggest problem I had with that truck was that a welded seam on each door (first the driver side, than about 6 months later the passenger side) cracked/split on me. It took two months fighting with Ford to get them to fix it the first time. And that was only after I had proof from two other people that Ford had already paid to fix the same problem on their trucks. It was a fiasco to say the least. But at the time, the F-150 really drove better, and offered more for the money, than the Chevy. Can I qualify for an IQ boost now since I got rid of the thing? Eric > >> Also, folks that buy Fords aren't known for having high IQs. :-) [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Can I qualify for an IQ boost now since I got rid of the thing? Certainly! And if you buy a Chevy, you'll gain another 10 points!! :-) I have nothing against Fords, but the only vehicle they make that I really like is the Mustang. Everything else is pretty pedestrian. I'm still hoping the Hyundai and Chrysler get together. I think that could be a really nice combination! Take a Dodge Ram and give it Hyundai assembly quality and that would be a killer truck. Same with a the Chrysler minivans, although the Hyundai minivan is pretty good already, I still like the Chrysler design better. Matt >> Can I qualify for an IQ boost now since I got rid of the thing? > > Certainly! And if you buy a Chevy, you'll gain another 10 points!! > :-) I bought an '88 Chevy in '02, does that count? Just over 200K on her now. > I have nothing against Fords, but the only vehicle they make that I > really like is the Mustang. Everything else is pretty pedestrian. Agreed. I like the Lightning truck they sold a few years back too, but not very practical to say the least. > I'm still hoping the Hyundai and Chrysler get together. I think that > could be a really nice combination! Take a Dodge Ram and give it > Hyundai assembly quality and that would be a killer truck. Same with > a the Chrysler minivans, although the Hyundai minivan is pretty good > already, I still like the Chrysler design better. I have to agree with you there too. Maybe a REAL Nitro would be good too :-) Eric MW> I won't ask you to dismiss it, but I've already dismissed it. It MW> didn't impress me overall any more than my current MW> 1994 Chevy. Have you driven one? I am afraid not. I have no interest in pickup trucks at this time and when I retire and get a 5th wheel I would be looking for a dualie. Most likely not a GM unless their designers smarten up and continue the new direction that they appear to be taking with the new Silverado. At this time I admire Ford dualies. Best Regards Wayne Moses <wmoses@houston.rr.com> Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:35:02 -0500 > MW> I won't ask you to dismiss it, but I've already dismissed it. It > MW> didn't impress me overall any more than my current [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > that they appear to be taking with the new Silverado. At this time I admire > Ford dualies. My condolences. :-) Matt > MW> My GM experience has been more with trucks than cars. A Chevy truck > is MW> hard to beat, I don't care what anyone says. > > Apparently Ford owners see things very differently. The Ford F-150 is > the US best selling vehicle (not just truck) for the past 24 years. I hate that statement - in that it is not only incorrect but such a crock. Yes, the ford 150 sells more than the Chevy Silverado, but then GM (stupidly) splits their truck sales figures into two trucks. When you combine the Sierra with the Silverado (they are almost identical) then you get sales figures consistently higher than the F150. Even if you didn't you'd find that the Silverado and F150 tend to be roughly equal in sales - particularly when compared to the Nissan or Dodge rivals. Signaturekai www.perfectreign.com || www.4thedadz.com www.filesite.org || www.donutmonster.com Its the puppets who pull the strings >> K> So either a GM or a Honda would probably be my next car.... >> He he he ... unbelievable that you would consider these two side by [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > self-destruct at 72,000 miles, I would never insult GM by lumping them > with Honda! What an insult to GM. One anecdotal data point is essentially meaningless in the overall context of product quality. Defects happen. The difference is that serious problems like yours are considered rare for Honda, but it would be run-of-the-mill for GM. While you have every right to be angry at Honda and refuse to buy their products in the future, don't kid yourself that you'd get a better product by buying GM. The fact that Honda is thriving and GM is still on the verge of going belly-up should tell you something. > >> K> So either a GM or a Honda would probably be my next car.... > >> He he he ... unbelievable that you would consider these two side by [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > thriving and GM is still on the verge of going belly-up should tell you > something. Well - I wouldn't go that far Brian. GM certainly does have some longstanding issues that have earned them some of the public mistrust that they are currently subject to, and I'm happy they're reaping the rewards of some of their heavy handed, customer last attitudes of recent times. That said, the experience of the previous poster is in no way typical of GM owner experiences. I've owned plenty of GM's and have lots of family and friends who have owned plenty of imports of all sorts, Honda well included. GM buyers have enjoyed a great deal of solid design and build, long lived, excellent cars. That includes cars of the most recent vintage, despite some of the problems that should have been fixed long ago. I certainly would not characterize GM products as inferior to any other. GM corporate attitudes, and the manner in which GM has responded to its customer base? Well, that's a different story. Signature-Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net >>>> K> So either a GM or a Honda would probably be my next car.... >>>> He he he ... unbelievable that you would consider these two side by [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > and the manner in which GM has responded to its customer base? Well, that's > a different story. In the words of former GM exec Alfred Sloane "General Motors is not in the business of making cars, it's in the business of making money." It's pretty obvious that they still live by that philosophy. I would never trust any company that demonstrates the level of contempt for their customers that GM has for decades. No matter how many times they get hammered in the marketplace, they just never learn. The best thing that could happen to GM is for them to get bought out by Honda, Toyota or <gasp> Hyundai. Clean out the upper management, tell the UAW to take a hike, let the people who actually care about cars, quality and customers run the place and you might actually end up with a decent company. > If not, what would be your choice? I already did. This is my second one. Yes, I would buy another, but not until this one dies. > If not, what would be your choice? I'd buy another Hyundai possibly, but probably not another standard shift. Their throttle/clutch combination in my Sonata is the pits. I'd like to get a BMW, Audi or maybe VW as the Germans know how to make a standard shift vehicle. If I buy another minivan, I'll consider a Hyundai, but my next purchase will likely be a truck to replace my 94 Chevy and it likely will be another Chevy. I'm going to test drive a Tundra today as Toyota says they will give me a $50 Home Depot gift certificate if I do. That is enough incentive for me! :-) Matt Hey Matt, Let me know how your Toyota experience was today. I have tried to but a truck from them a couple of times but the snotty buggers wouldn't deal. My 'salesman' didn't even know how to open the hood! And all the dealerships I've been to make you go through the showroom to get to the cars, where you are immediately accosted (sp?) by salesmen. Very bad experiences. I'd buy another Hyundai if they get a hybrid, pickup, or a diesel, which is what this country really needs. Incidentally, I have a VW and right now, VW has the WORST maintenance and problem record of anyone. Stay away from VW until the Krauts figure out what they should be doing. Tom h >> If not, what would be your choice? > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Matt > Hey Matt, > Let me know how your Toyota experience was today. I have tried to but a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > has the WORST maintenance and problem record of anyone. Stay away from VW > until the Krauts figure out what they should be doing. I went and drove the Tundra today. It was a 2007 with the new 5.7l engine and 6 speed automatic and four-wheel drive. The salesman was very cordial and not high pressure at all. I made it clear that I was there because of the $50 Home Depot gift card incentive and probably wouldn't buy a new truck anytime soon. I'd completed the card before I got there and checked the 12+ months box for my buying time frame. I think he got interested when he saw that my current truck is a 1994 Chevy ... but I don't think he realizes just how long Chevy trucks last! I expect at least 7 more years out of it! :-) I had experiences similar to yours in previous forays into Toyota dealerships, but this salesman was actually very pleasant to talk with. I was impressed with his style and it was actually much like my experience when I bought my Sonata. On to the truck... Pros: - Lots of power - Smooth shifting transmission - Quiet, except a lot of engine noise under full throttle - Nice ride - Nice handling - Great brakes - Excellent payload and towing capacity - Can finally handle a snowplow! - Large box - Nice tailgate that has a gas strut to let it down slowly and assist in raising it. - Nice seats Cons: - I wasn't that impressed with the dash and instrument layout as the steering wheel blocked all but one instrument when set to a comfortable tilt position. The wheel is too small in diameter for the layout of the instruments - The console was too bulky and too gimmicky - The grab handle on the windshield pillar was annoying and blocked my vision. - The mirrors are huge and also blocked side vision. - The truck sits very high (like a 3/4 ton) which I don't find attractive in a 1/2 ton truck. It was hard to climb into. If I wanted a 3/4 ton truck I'd buy one. - Visibility out the rear is terrible due to the truck height and fairly deep box which gives a tall tailgate. I don't think I could see the ground within 80' of the back of the truck. It definitely needs the rear camera option to be safe! - The truck beeps constantly when you select 4L. I thought something was wrong, but the salesman claimed that was normal. That would drive you absolutely batty if you had to use 4L. It sounds like the backup beeper on a dozer. I can't believe that is normal. - I still don't like the Toyota styling. - No availability of a diesel engine - No availability of standard shift (real trucks don't have automatics!) - $28K price tag and this truck was far from loaded! Overall, it is a decent truck, but it is very unlikely that I will buy one. I haven't yet driven the new Chevy nor the latest Dodge, but I didn't like this Toyota any better overall than my 13 year old K1500. My Chevy has a nicer dash and more visible instruments. Is much easier to get into and much easier to see out of. I like the seats in my truck better. It would be nice to have some of the Toyota power and quietness, but the Toyota honestly doesn't have enough improvements to lure me from my old Chevy. I don't know if even the new Chevy has enough improvements to warrant the price tag and I probably won't even drive a new Chevy unless they give me a reason as did Toyota. And my old Chevy shows absolutely no signs of slowing down and hardly even has any rust as yet. I did see a couple of small spots when I waxed it last fall, but for 13 years of PA/NY road salt winters, it is in great shape. Matt > I went and drove the Tundra today. It was a 2007 with the new 5.7l > engine and 6 speed automatic and four-wheel drive. The salesman was [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Chevy ... but I don't think he realizes just how long Chevy trucks last! > I expect at least 7 more years out of it! :-) 7 years????? What the hell do you have against that truck Matt, that you're so damned anxious to get rid of it? > Cons: > - The grab handle on the windshield pillar was annoying and blocked my > vision. > - The mirrors are huge and also blocked side vision. Matt - you require too much vision. You're driving a truck dambit... > - The truck beeps constantly when you select 4L. I thought something > was wrong, but the salesman claimed that was normal. That would drive > you absolutely batty if you had to use 4L. It sounds like the backup > beeper on a dozer. I can't believe that is normal. Oh man - that would be a major issue for me. I plow *only* in 4 low. Imagine a day of beep beep beep... > Overall, it is a decent truck, but it is very unlikely that I will buy > one. I haven't yet driven the new Chevy nor the latest Dodge, but I [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > any rust as yet. I did see a couple of small spots when I waxed it last > fall, but for 13 years of PA/NY road salt winters, it is in great shape. Well, after one more of the upstate NY winters than your truck has Matt, mine is really showing the signs as of this year. The rust really came alive over the past year. This summer my truck will see some major reconstructive surgery. Cab off, some minor frame work and paint, new doors, new front fenders, and some metal work on the cab corners and on the box. Like you said - for the money it'll cost me to renew the body on this truck, I can't even think about looking at a new(er) one. Signature-Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net >> I went and drove the Tundra today. It was a 2007 with the new 5.7l >> engine and 6 speed automatic and four-wheel drive. The salesman was [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > 7 years????? What the hell do you have against that truck Matt, that you're > so damned anxious to get rid of it? I'm getting tired of green and silver! :-) >> Cons: > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > box. Like you said - for the money it'll cost me to renew the body on this > truck, I can't even think about looking at a new(er) one. What make/model is the truck you are fixing up? When mine is no longer road worthy, and assuming it still is a reliable runner, I plan to just drop the license and use it off-road to plow my driveway and haul firewood. I'm still using my old 1986 Jeep Comanche for that, but it is getting harder to keep running and the clutch or transmission sychros are going as it is getting hard to get into 1st and reverse. I suspect the clutch as when my father-in-law had it (I had it nearly 10 years and then he bought it for 10 more and then gave it back to me two years ago shortly before he died) he didn't know it had a hydraulic clutch. When I got it back, the clutch felt funny so I looked into the master cylinder. I couldn't even see fluid and it was full of dried gunk. I filled it up, but it never came back to normal so I suspect that the seals may have dried out or something. I was going to try to rebuild it, but decided the truck isn't worth is as the body is about shot as well as other parts of the truck (exhaust, etc.) and I figure I'll be able to replace it with the Chevy in the next few years and buy a diesel for my road truck. Matt Matt > What make/model is the truck you are fixing up? '94 Silverado w/350. Signature-Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net >> What make/model is the truck you are fixing up? > > '94 Silverado w/350. Sounds close to mine. Mine is a 94 Silverado K1500 extended cab. Mine has the 4.3L with 5 speed MT8 manual (at least I think that was the designation for the transmission with the granny gear low). I let the salesman talk me out of the 4.10 axles for 3.73s and that was a mistake. A couple of years after I bought the truck, I replaced the ring and pinions with 4.56s and what a difference that made. No loss in fuel economy as it was lugging too much in OD (1600 RPM stock and about 2000 RPM after the swap at 55 MPH. And much better performance and in L/4L, I can get out and walk faster than the truck moves at idle! I noticed the first rust last fall behind the rear mudflaps. I suspect the truck will pass inspection for at least 4 more years with no body work and that will probably be enough for me to just drop the license and use it for my off-road mule rather than try to fix it up and keep it street legal. I'll be ready for a new diesel truck by then anyway! Matt > >> What make/model is the truck you are fixing up? > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > has the 4.3L with 5 speed MT8 manual (at least I think that was the > designation for the transmission with the granny gear low). Sorry Matt - I should also have noted that mine is a K1500 extended cab also. Mine is an automatic though. > I let the > salesman talk me out of the 4.10 axles for 3.73s and that was a mistake. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > and use it for my off-road mule rather than try to fix it up and keep it > street legal. I'll be ready for a new diesel truck by then anyway! I noticed some rust starting - just starting, last year. That was around the cab corners, and the front fenders. This year those spots are large holes. The lower doors and the tail gate began rusting years ago - I forget now how many years ago. I think it must have been 7 or 8 years ago. I repaired those areas at the time, but not by adding any sheet metal. Just sandblasted them and applied some POR-15, then worked up from there with normal body work. That repair was ok, for what it was, in that I got 7 or 8 years out of it for low cost. Now - the lower skins have to be replaced on the doors and the tail gate is a goner. But - the truck is 14 years old. It sits more than it gets driven now, except for plow season. I swear - that's the worst thing that can happen to a vehicle. Sitting just seems to promote rust. Signature-Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net >>>> What make/model is the truck you are fixing up? >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Sorry Matt - I should also have noted that mine is a K1500 extended cab > also. Mine is an automatic though. That explains it! Automatics rust a lot faster than standards! :-) >> I let the >> salesman talk me out of the 4.10 axles for 3.73s and that was a mistake. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > that's the worst thing that can happen to a vehicle. Sitting just seems to > promote rust. I had no rust last year on the front fenders, doors or tailgate, at least nothing visible when I waxed the truck. And waxing tends to give me a pretty good inspection. The main rust is on the rear bumper, particularly behind the exhaust pipe on the passenger side. The frame is getting a fair bit of rust, but the underbody looks like new. I inspect that pretty well every 10K miles when I put it up on jack stands to rotate the tires and grease it. I wonder why yours has rusted out so much faster than mine. I do have a cap on mine which has been on it since it was new so that keeps the rain out of the bed and off the inside of the tailgate, so maybe that has helped. Also, the truck has been garaged almost its entire life, but I'm not sure that garaging a vehicle in the winter is a good thing. Mine had rust behind the rear wheels where the holes were drilled for the mud flaps. The original screws had rusted away and the paint was flaking around the holes. I greased up the holes again as I did when I first installed the mud flaps and replaced the original self-tapping sheet metal screws with SS bolts, washers and nuts. I suspect the fender will rust away now before I need to replace the mud flap bolts! I probably should have used SS hardware in the beginning and maybe the loose bolts wouldn't have worked the paint loose. Matt > I had no rust last year on the front fenders, doors or tailgate, at > least nothing visible when I waxed the truck. And waxing tends to give [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > helped. Also, the truck has been garaged almost its entire life, but > I'm not sure that garaging a vehicle in the winter is a good thing. One word - New York State Winters. I have a cap on mine also and before I had the cap, it always had a toneau cover on the box. Signature-Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net >> I had no rust last year on the front fenders, doors or tailgate, at >> least nothing visible when I waxed the truck. And waxing tends to give [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > One word - New York State Winters. I drive mostly in NY also. I commute from Lawrenceville, PA to Corning every day which is 5 miles in PA and 15 in NY and PA uses about as much salt as does NY and a lot more cinders which is harder on the paint. Maybe I just got lucky or maybe keeping it in the garage has helped. Matt > >> I had no rust last year on the front fenders, doors or tailgate, at > >> least nothing visible when I waxed the truck. And waxing tends to give [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Matt I'm upstate, north of Syracuse. Much different winter up here than in the southern tier. Much different. Signature-Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net so far I haven't had any salt/cinder problems here in the winter in San Diego!! > Cons: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > truck. It was hard to climb into. If I wanted a 3/4 ton truck I'd buy > one. I know this is way OT, but I've read more than once that the Toyota tundra 1/2ton probably will also be their 3/4 ton and... > - No availability of a diesel engine ...that they're in talks with Caterpiller to supply a diesel to the truck in the next year or so. One magazine even commented how a Cummins, Duramax or a Navistar could easily fit in the 1/2 ton engine bay - even with an Allison or other HD tranny behind. So, is Hyundai coming out with a diesel truck? :P Signaturekai www.perfectreign.com || www.4thedadz.com www.filesite.org || www.donutmonster.com closing the doors that surround me so no one will ever penetrate complete my retreat just to wait for the day that never comes so i will laugh alone > > If not, what would be your choice? > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Matt My last three cars have been Hyundais, Excel, Accent and Elantra, all with manual transmissions. The throttle/clutch arrangement in the Elantra is marginal. The throttle is too sensitive making it difficult to control engine speed when starting from a standstill. If I buy another car it will probably be another Hyundai or maybe a Toyota. There is no way I will ever buy another American made car. - Mooron Mooron <mooron@mooron.com> scribbled: > If I buy another car it will probably be another Hyundai or maybe > a Toyota. There is no way I will ever buy another American made > car. > > - Mooron So I guess a Sonata is out of the question. >>> If not, what would be your choice? >> I'd buy another Hyundai possibly, but probably not another standard [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > a Toyota. There is no way I will ever buy another American made > car. Yes, my Sonata has the same problem. Probably the biggest problem with the car. Matt Mat's coming home in a Toyota!!! Steve >>>> If not, what would be your choice? >>> I'd buy another Hyundai possibly, but probably not another standard [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Matt Yes, we did last weekend. Bought a new 2007 Accent SE. The 2000 Accent was given to my wife's son with over 100K miles on it. Still runs like a champ. Love the '07 so far. Heck, it's even got power windows <smile>. >> > If not, what would be your choice? >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >- Mooron Most DEFINATELY Im waiting for the full size luxuary version to come here, I already have 3 in my family, my wife has a 2003 Santa Fe, I have a 2005 XG50L and my daughter has a 2007 Tucson... Also in the family is my Father-in laws 2003 Sonata and my Brother-in laws 2007 Accent. ']['unez > If not, what would be your choice? I have an 03 Elantra and an 06 Sonata LX. Like both cars. The Elantra for around town. The Sonata would be good on the highway if it didn't have those 17 inch HARD tires..Probably buy another Mercury Grand Marquis for the road. I got better mileage on my last Merc than I'm getting on this Sonara..and it rode a whale of a lot better!! The Grand Marquis always was a great deal and a wonderful cruising car. I loved mine and you're right the mileage for a V8 was really good. Great car and they used to almost give them away, if you dealt with them. Tom >I have an 03 Elantra and an 06 Sonata LX. Like both cars. The Elantra for > around town. The Sonata would be good on the highway if it didn't have > those 17 inch HARD tires..Probably buy another Mercury Grand Marquis for > the road. I got better mileage on my last Merc than I'm getting on this > Sonara..and it rode a whale of a lot better!! >I have an 03 Elantra and an 06 Sonata LX. Like both cars. The Elantra for > around town. The Sonata would be good on the highway if it didn't have > those 17 inch HARD tires..Probably buy another Mercury Grand Marquis for > the road. I got better mileage on my last Merc than I'm getting on this > Sonara..and it rode a whale of a lot better!! You are right that the Grand M rides a WHALE of a lot better. Felt like it was a huge whale wallowing around the sea. I rented a Grand Marquis back in December for four days. I drove out of Las Vegas toward Death Valley and the road curved a bit as it climbed over the mountain. It was real work to keep it between the yellow lines. I was wishing I was back in my Sonata so I could be going 10 mph faster and have better control. Nice car for when you take the grandparents out for dinner, but not what I want under me under serious driving conditions. To each his own. >>I have an 03 Elantra and an 06 Sonata LX. Like both cars. The Elantra for >> around town. The Sonata would be good on the highway if it didn't have [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > dinner, but not what I want under me under serious driving conditions. To > each his own. All Mercury Grand Marquis' are not created equal. My wife's 2000 Grand Marquis came with a handling package that included air ride suspension, 373 Rear, dual exhausts, speed rated tires and traction assist. It is a BIG, fast, comfortable, reasonably handling car. At 107,000 miles it will soon need spark plugs. It has been extremely dependable and will probably be replaced with something similar when it gets to around 200,000, as was her last 1992 Crown Victoria. My pickup truck is a 1999 F250 4X4 V-10 Ford Super Duty which will most likely outlast me. It has close to 100,000 miles on it now, about 65,000 of those towing a 30' travel trailer. The only reason I bought a Hyundai was gas mileage (30 as opposed to 10 with the pickup) The Hyundai (2005 Accord) Has been very reliable so far, and I drive it 80 miles a day back and forth to work. The only complaint I have is one I have heard from almost half of the Hyundai owners I know, Poor dealerships. I wanted the cheapest car I could buy that had a big warrantee, Then the dealer tried to bury us with things that I did not want or need. Be careful what you sigh, make sure all the spaces are filled in and re-check all the paperwork when you get home. I have been buying new Fords since 1977 and NEVER had a Ford dealer try to pull what the Hyundai dealer did. The Hyundai rides like a buckboard, and it is more like wearing it than driving it, But it is very reliable and cheap to operate. Jack Cassidy Best car ever !!!!!!!! had a 1958 Nash Metropolitan that I put 230,000 miles on ...... Only problem I had in 230K was I had to replace the generator and of course the brakes and tires..... After all that it dies with the original engine and original exhaust ... Oh for thye good ole' days when They knew how to make REAL cars although I do have a 2005 XG350L that is 3 years old and just turned 15K and hasnt been back to the dealer for anything other than oil changes. ']['unez >>>I have an 03 Elantra and an 06 Sonata LX. Like both cars. The Elantra for >>> around town. The Sonata would be good on the highway if it didn't have [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Jack Cassidy also might consider an entourage > also might consider an entourage >We have only had our '06 Elantra since Christmas(3000 miles) but we love it >so far. Will buy another one for the wife when this one dies. I drive a '95 >Silverado Z71 extended cab 4X4(230,000 miles) which I keep in near perfect >condition cuz the new trucks SUCK. i> If not, what would be your choice? Bought 5 to date. New Santa Fe and Vera Cruz both look good and drive well and my Grand Caravan is on her last legs. So yes I would buy another one. Do I think that I will buy Hyundais forever? Maybe not. But as long as they keep offering the excellent mix of good looks, decent price, good quality and excellent warranty, one would be dumb not to buy / continue to by these products. Now I am curious - what is behind your question? Best Regards Wayne Moses <wmoses@houston.rr.com> Sun, 08 Apr 2007 12:03:50 -0500 > If not, what would be your choice? It doesn't appear that Hyundai will be offering a wagon any time soon. We checked out all the other lower priced wagons and 5 doors ala Spectra5, Pontiac Vibe, Mazda3. IMO, they don't offer much over my '99 Elantra 5spd wagon. None of them are as roomy, and the Vibe I thought was a dog performance-wise. The Mazda gets up and goes, but is kinda pricey for what you get. Fuel economy is give or take a few mpg. Maybe a Focus wagon with a 5spd ( no automatics allowed in this family) but the way it stands right now, I'll save my pennies and go for a Subaru Outback. I think that they are one nice ride and they suit our lifestyle. L. Ive bought a total of 4 Hyundai's ; 2 Sonatas and 2 Santa Fe's . I would continue to buy Hyundais ; it is alot of value for the money, reliable, and very long warranty. Stylish autos too. >If not, what would be your choice? I already did. Now I am close to buying my third. I guess you can guess if I like them. Yes, I have a 2006 sonata. It has 55,000 miles on it and has had no repairs. It is a great car > If not, what would be your choice? > If not, what would be your choice? Our family owns several Sonatas and love them. We still have a 1989 GL with over 311K miles on it, and it runs great, all the power stuff works, etc. We have a '99 GLS with 100K and a 2001 GLS with 60K. We won't be buying more anytime soon soon; that should be a plug-in or hybrid by the time we do, but we expect it to be Hynudai. Harry SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com HS> Our family owns several Sonatas and love them. We still have a 1989 GL HS> with over 311K miles on it, and it runs great, all the power stuff HS> works, etc. Hey a 1989 Sonata GL eh? That was the car that started it all for me. Black 5-speed with A/C and no power anything other than steering. Great basic car. Best Regards Wayne Moses <wmoses@houston.rr.com> Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:09:09 -0500 >If not, what would be your choice? replaced 99 Accent with 2006 Elantra hatchback. Wondering what I will replace the Elantra with as they drop the hatchback option adnd I don't need the SUV drop in performance. maybe a Tiburon as I can get a manual trans with a decent engine but the back seat is small. I'll just have to see if Hyundai gets smarter in the next couple of years. (35K+ miles / yr) At this point, I'd have to say "it remains to be seen". I bought my first Hyundai, an '07 Elantra, about 2 months ago and had to have it towed in to the dealer last Monday as it appears the anti-theft kill switch wasn't disengaging. The dealer says this is a minor repair, it's covered under warranty (including the tow) and they'll have it fixed by Friday (waiting on a part). All this is fine as long as it's not an omen of things to come. Reliability is very critical IMHO, plus in all other ways the car seems pretty terrific. A. I would for reliability but the milage is lousy on my 2003 XG350 with a 3.5 litre V/6. My wife's Buick Regal with a 3800 GM V/6 will get 30 MPG on the Hgwy and the Hyundai will do good to get 22. In town the Hyundai is geared way to low and uses more gas than a 91 Ford Crown vic with a V/8 in it. Lousy milage. My next one will be a Hybrid and one not geared so low that it pops your neck on take off like the Hyundai. The XG 350 runs about 2100 RPM and my wife's car runs about 1700 at the same speed on the highway. It (the Hyundai is a good car) but lousy milage. >If not, what would be your choice? It's been a pleasure owning my '02 Sonata GLS. I've only had 1 cosmetic problem with it ever (fixed under warranty) and it's been 100% reliable for me. I am looking forward to owning a light-duty truck as there have been rumors floating around. Otherwise I am looking at either a Santa Fe or Tucson. Would like a Hybrid in either model if possible as their fuel economy should be better. If I can't do either of those, the 4-cyl Sonata seems to be heads above my V6 in fuel economy now. - Thee Chicago Wolf I'd like a truck as well, not really practical. With fuel costs where they are now, I wish I had my old 02 Sonata with the 4 cyl. As far as hybrids, they're still out of my price range. They would be more beneficial to me, I do 80% highway and the balance city driving... Steve > >If not, what would be your choice? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > - Thee Chicago Wolf >I'd like a truck as well, not really practical. With fuel costs where they >are now, I wish I had my old 02 Sonata with the 4 cyl. > >As far as hybrids, they're still out of my price range. They would be more >beneficial to me, I do 80% highway and the balance city driving... As the technology progresses I think it will become cost effective. Think of it this way, pay a little more now, and see savings benefits sooner and for a longer term. I guess the Hyundai Hybrids will be coming out in '09 or '10 from what little I've read but I hope Hyundai can take advantage of the cutting edge tech that's out by then and do up some nice regular cards as well as a smaller truck or compact utility vehicle. - Thee Chicago Wolf Yes will buy another Sonata Elite here in oz getting rid of the 1 year old Camry SWonata apart from CD player not missed a beat in VERY harsh conditions Excellent car won out over the Honda camry and BMW when analyse all the factors Great bang for buck and pleasure to drive |
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