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Car Forum / Hyundai Cars / July 2007WAS: 05 Elantra GT Rear Disk Brakes Question
Just to update and thank all those that responded and helped. OK, last night I changed the rear pads. I took it for a quick test drive. No question it is better. I would say that it is close to where it was when new. The pedal is still lower than I think it should be, but it has always been that way. I will drive it further later today...but so far it seems to have done the trick. (You hit it on the head Mike..I am happy!). And Hyundaitech thank you for your continued help for everyone here including me. Just for the record, the part I still don't get is why this should happen with about 50% wear on the pads. After removing them I would say I had 60% left on the pasenger side and maybe 45-50 on the driver side. Just does not seem right, but it is certainly a simple fix...and only $40 (could have even got brakes for $30). In he future I guess I will just change the fronts and rears at the same time which would be approx every 18-20K. Thanks all. I'll report back if I go through a brick wall tonight and change my mind about the brakes working so good. :-) Now I bring in my 03 for the timing belt next week (not the dealer) and buy a new Sonata probably...and give the 03 to my son. I will miss that car. I truly love the 03, the 05 just never felt as "tight" a car in every way...just a much more solid car. Thanks all. I cannot think of a logical explanation for why replacing the pads would change the pedal height. I'm not disputing your finding; I just cannot think of a reason why it should be so. >I cannot think of a logical explanation for why replacing the pads would >change the pedal height. I'm not disputing your finding; I just cannot >think of a reason why it should be so. Very strange I admit. Especially considering the fact that the pads really weren't all that worn. I still think it is too low, but it is not spongy at all anymore and at least a little higher. Weird. > I cannot think of a logical explanation for why replacing the pads would > change the pedal height. I'm not disputing your finding; I just cannot > think of a reason why it should be so. Exactly. Brake systems are supposed to be self adjusting. There should be NO difference in brake pedal height between new pads and pads that are completely worn out, and that's exactly the way every car I've owned has been, including my Elantra. The fact that your pedal height changes indicates that there is something wrong with your brake system and changing pads more frequently than necessary is NOT the answer. Considering that the self-adjustment is a function of fluid flowing from the reservoir into the master cylinder and ultimately into the calipers, I suspect that there is a blockage between the reservoir and the master cylinder. Perhaps pushing the rear pistons (and the extra fluid) in dislodged it, but since the pedal still seems low, I suspect that's not the case. I wouldn't trust the brake system until it's been thoroughly checked out and flushed from the calipers up. Your car is NOT fixed, you merely masked one of the symptoms of the problem. >> I cannot think of a logical explanation for why replacing the pads would >> change the pedal height. I'm not disputing your finding; I just cannot [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >checked out and flushed from the calipers up. Your car is NOT fixed, you >merely masked one of the symptoms of the problem. I agree. That is why I was mad at the dealer...I brought it in for low pedal (to the floor) and their only answer (in writing I might add) was changing the rear pads. I checked the shop manual, checked all troubleshooting guides...not one mentioned pads for a low pedal..not even on the list of possibilities. I will be complaining to the dealer. Having said tha, the pedal is still low, but not as low as before replacing the pads...but the brakes feel much better I have to admit. Thanks. >>> I cannot think of a logical explanation for why replacing the pads would >>> change the pedal height. I'm not disputing your finding; I just cannot [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > even on the list of possibilities. I will be complaining to the > dealer. If you don't get anywhere with them, let them know that you'll be contacting Hyundai directly and then do so. Hyundai is very responsive to customer complaints, but their dealers vary considerably in that regard. > Having said tha, the pedal is still low, but not as low as > before replacing the pads...but the brakes feel much better I have to > admit. Thanks. That makes sense. By installing new pads, you've pushed more fluid into the system, which would have the effect of pushing the brake pedal upward. Have you tried pulling outward on the pedal? I'm curious what would happen if you do so. >>>> I cannot think of a logical explanation for why replacing the pads would >>>> change the pedal height. I'm not disputing your finding; I just cannot [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >Have you tried pulling outward on the pedal? I'm curious what would >happen if you do so. I just sent a letter off to the service managaer at the dealer. I will give him a couple of days to respond. Next will be a letter to Hyundai directly. This morning my wife was on her way to work and she said that it got bad again...and she usually tells me something isa fine even when it isn't..so I'll assume it's bad. When she gets home I will try pulling up on the brake pedal...never tried that. I'll let you know. >>>> I cannot think of a logical explanation for why replacing the pads would >>>> change the pedal height. I'm not disputing your finding; I just cannot [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >Have you tried pulling outward on the pedal? I'm curious what would >happen if you do so. I faxed a letter to the dealer about 3PM. Got a call from the service manager around 5PM. Not bad. She wants to personally see my car, I am bringing it in Thursday. She was very nice and apologetic and asked for another chance at the low brake pedal thing. So far so good. Maybe something will get done after all. I'll let yo all know later in the week. >> Having said tha, the pedal is still low, but not as low as >> before replacing the pads...but the brakes feel much better I have to >> admit. Thanks. >That makes sense. By installing new pads, >you've pushed more fluid into >the system, which would have the effect of >pushing the brake pedal upward. It's put more fluid in the reservoir, but the amount of fluid in the cylinder portion should be the same. I don't see the link between more fluid in the reservoir and a higher pedal. I'll agree that we have less fluid in the calipers. But it should still take the same amount of pedal travel to apply the same braking force. >>> Having said tha, the pedal is still low, but not as low as >>> before replacing the pads...but the brakes feel much better I have to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > cylinder portion should be the same. I don't see the link between more > fluid in the reservoir and a higher pedal. If there is a blockage between the reservoir and the master cylinder such that fluid cannot flow between them, the brake pedal engagement point will get lower as the pads wear, since no fluid can flow into the system to compensate for pad wear. When you replace the pads, it will push the pedal engagement point back up to where it was. > I'll agree that we have less fluid in the calipers. But it should still > take the same amount of pedal travel to apply the same braking force. The amount travel doesn't change, just the engagement point. OTOH, since his wife is reporting the same problem again, it sounds like it may be a bad master cylinder. >If there is a blockage between the reservoir >and the master cylinder >such that fluid cannot flow between them, the >brake pedal engagement >point will get lower as the pads wear, since no >fluid can flow into the >system to compensate for pad wear. When you >replace the pads, it will >push the pedal engagement point back up to >where it was. I saw something like this once where the reservoir cap wasn't vented properly. Applying the pedal pushed the pads against the rotors, and releasing sucked them away (about 1/4" if I remember right). Removing the master cylinder cap made the problem go away. Replaced cap. No more problems. (Of course, I don't recommend driving around with your master cylinder cap off to test this theory. I have the distinct advantage of performing tests on a lift.) >> If there is a blockage between the reservoir >and the master cylinder >> such that fluid cannot flow between them, the >brake pedal engagement [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > off to test this theory. I have the distinct advantage of performing tests > on a lift.) Now that makes sense and it would be easy for him to test. |
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