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Car Forum / Hyundai Cars / September 2007Would you buy again ?
Do you guys recommend buying a Hyundai ? NO ! > Do you guys recommend buying a Hyundai ? Hyundai on a national scale is very good. I have had no problems at all with my 2003 XG350 but the local dealership is nothing more than a thief and robber and does one thing when the company says do something else. The local dealer here is Reliable Imports and I would recommend that they drive 250 miles for service to stay away from them. They take a required maintainance at 30,000 miles at about a 100 dollar cash outlay and turn it into about a 750 dollar bullshit, "if it ain't broke fix it anyway" type experience. Love the product. Hate the sons a bitches that service them. >Hyundai on a national scale is very good. I have had no problems at all >with my 2003 XG350 but the local dealership is nothing more than a thief [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >into about a 750 dollar bullshit, "if it ain't broke fix it anyway" type >experience. Love the product. Hate the sons a bitches that service them. I would agree with that based on my local dealer. I took my wifes 05 there because of a low (very low) brake pedal. They told me problem was rear brake pads.They tried to rob me for rear brake pads at $275 when they were not necessary. They told me they had 15% life left. I replaced them myself ($40 for the good ones) to be safe and their was at least 50% life left (I have the pads to prove it). They returned my car saying nothing was wrong. I brought it back a second time after writing a letter of complaint to the servicxe manager...they had the car for over two weeks. Said it needed a new master cylinder (what happened to nothing being wrong with it?)but couldn't get the part. Three different days they told me the part was in and it would be done the next day. What a horror show this dealer turned out to be. Anyway, brakes are still lower than they should be but are a little better. I called Hyundai main serice and they want me to bring it back a third time to give the dealer a chance. I said no way, two strikes is enough. The bottom line, is I have three Hyundais and love them all...I think the 05 is not nearly as well built as the 03 and 07 though. I can see the difference and feel the difference. I have said this since day one before we ever had a problem with it. But I'd still buy another Hyundai based on my overall experience. And I will be bringing it to another dealer when necessary. I generally do some small work myself and use a neighborhood mechani for the rest. Dealer will be for warranty only. Anyway, I agree with your post is the point! >Do you guys recommend buying a Hyundai ? I would. This year we just bought our second one. > >Do you guys recommend buying a Hyundai ? > > I would. This year we just bought our second one. I would. They have really good customer service, and make decent cars. We're on our fourth hyundai. (We're a family of four) >>Do you guys recommend buying a Hyundai ? > >I would. This year we just bought our second one. After reading some of the other responses, I remembered that my wife had two previous models. I don't remember the model of the first one, but the second was, I think, a Stellar. So, the Sonata we bought this year makes it the fourth one. > Do you guys recommend buying a Hyundai ? Yes. Excellent value for a great car. In my extended family we have 3 dating back to 2001. They've all been good vehicles. Jon Yes I would buy again, On my third Hyundai. First was in 1997 Elantra Now I have a 2006 Santa Fe. Looking to get the new 2008 Accent 3 door sport form my daily driver to work and back, keep the Santa fe for weekends, (its a little hard on gas for a daily driver. ) > Do you guys recommend buying a Hyundai ? > Do you guys recommend buying a Hyundai ? This is not an easy question since things change over time. I have a 97 Hyundai Elantra 5SP. Just a plain one. no gls Bought at 63K in 1999 Now have like 172K miles If you asked the guy I talked to with a 98 Elantra Auto he could not sell if fast enough. The transmission was given him problems. Who know how he drove and how it was maintained. Me I have a love/hate relationship with mine. Love it been the cheapest and reliable car over the 110K I have owned it. I have always used syn motor oil. Hate that it does not handle like my 90 Horizon. Another example is Saturn. I like the ones from 92-95 BUT things change and they don't have things on them like transmission filters that look like oil filters that are EASY to change. Maybe the newest ones are good now? The ongoing problem I have had with mine are the tires. Every few years I have having slow leaks fixed in them. I think it has to do with the fact it had fix-a-flat in all four tires when I bought it leading to the rims rusting??? Major things fixed are cat converter, clutch 150K miles, muffler, oil pan leak (replaced it), rust (I live in NY state), all four springs and struts, Well you get the idea. If you can get a inexpensive one go for it Yes, I would recommend a Hyundai. I have a 2006 Elantra and have been pleased with the vehicle, from the sales experience to the service experiences. Some posters have complained about the tires, etc., this is not the fault of the car, but the tires. After all, the tires are warranted by the tire manufacturer, not Hyundai. I've owned the following makes of cars since 1985: Dodge, Honda, Mazda, Nissan, SAAB, Toyota, Volvo, and now Hyundai. The Elantra has been as good, or better, than any of the aforementioned cars. The fit and finish, and overall build quality, is also excellent. I would not hesitate to recommend a Hyundai to my best friend. One interesting piece of trivia: one of my business colleagues husband is a Toyota Service Manager. Guess what minivan they drive, and was recommend to her by her husband?? - a Hyundai! I've had a fair cluster of problems, but I still think I would consider a Hyundai, if it met my shopping criteria. Anyone who is at all handy can grab tons of information from hmaservice.com and tackle a lot of the repairs themselves. I test drove the Sonata and it just didn't seem to work with my body geometries -- but that's a very personal gripe; it's probably fine for most people. I still want to look at the Santa Fe and Tucson. I would not purchase a car from Kearney Mesa Hyundai, if you happen to be in San Diego (I wonder about whether there's something shady in the whole "Sunroad" chain of dealers in Kearney Mesa -- I've had a bad test drive experience at their Toyota, and unsatisfactory repair experiences at their Hyundai and Ford dealerships. My friend had a fine time at the Honda dealership though). > Do you guys recommend buying a Hyundai ? Probably. My 06 Sonata has been the most trouble-free car I've ever owned, but it also has some of the most annoying design quirks, particularly a lousy clutch and over sensitive electronic throttle. If they would hire BMW to design their clutch and throttle, it would be an amazing car. Matt "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message > Probably. My 06 Sonata has been the most trouble-free car I've ever > owned, but it also has some of the most annoying design quirks, > particularly a lousy clutch and over sensitive electronic throttle. If > they would hire BMW to design their clutch and throttle, it would be an > amazing car. Throttle sensitivity bothered me for a month or so, but no more. One of us has changed, I guess. It has been a common complaint though. > "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message >> Probably. My 06 Sonata has been the most trouble-free car I've ever [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Throttle sensitivity bothered me for a month or so, but no more. One of us > has changed, I guess. It has been a common complaint though. I can't remember if you have standard shift or automatic. With an automatic, it would likely not be an issue and I didn't notice it with the two automatics I test drove. I suspect it is amplified with standard shift. You drive a BMW and then the Sonata and the difference is night and day. BMW knows how to do standard shift right and Hyundai hasn't a clue. Matt >> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message >>> Probably. My 06 Sonata has been the most trouble-free car I've ever [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Matt Well, I have an automatic and the throttle sensitivity is still an issue for me. Yes, I have gotten used to it, but there are still times, especially after driving another car of just about any make or model, when I am still stunned by it. I can't imagine how you engage the clutch without chirping the tires or stalling on almost every 1st gear start. And not to argue the point about BMW's, but I personally think Honda has the best manual on the market. But I know you are a little anti-Honda, Matt. Eric >>> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message >>>> Probably. My 06 Sonata has been the most trouble-free car I've ever [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > clutch without chirping the tires or stalling on almost every 1st gear > start. I've gotten fairly good at starting out, unless there is a lot of noise around like a large truck or Harley sitting beside me. Neither the clutch nor the throttle gives any tactile feedback, unlike every other standard shift car or truck I've driven. So, without aural feedback, it is easy to either stall the engine or race it to 2,000 RPM when starting out. Actually, the most troublesome area for me is still the 1-2 shift. I rarely get that done smoothly. 2-3, 3-4 and 4-5 aren't bad now. > And not to argue the point about BMW's, but I personally think Honda has > the best manual on the market. But I know you are a little anti-Honda, > Matt. I've never driven a stick shift Honda so I have no basis for comparison. Of all the cars I've driven, the BMW is the best. For trucks, my current Chevy K1500 with the MT8 transmission is the best. Matt >>> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message >>>> Probably. My 06 Sonata has been the most trouble-free car I've ever [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >>> One of us has changed, I guess. It has been a common complaint >>> though. > And not to argue the point about BMW's, but I personally think Honda has > the best manual on the market. But I know you are a little anti-Honda, > Matt. > > Eric I'd have to agree with you on that one. The 3 Honda's I've had were manuals and they all had a really sweet clutch. We're an all automatic family now, though. Arthritis in my clutch foot. Jon "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message > I can't remember if you have standard shift or automatic. With an > automatic, it would likely not be an issue and I didn't notice it with the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Matt I have auto. I've either gotten used to it or it smoothed out over time. It was a PITA the first month or so. Going from one car to another does not seem to make much difference though. I may have mention it before, but the wife of a guy at work got rid of her 06 LX after six months solely because of the throttle. No doubt the BMW is much better. I've not driven one for a while but performance was better than the Sonata, but the price tag was much different also. > No doubt the BMW is much better. I've not driven one for a while but > performance was better than the Sonata, but the price tag was much > different also. As told in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw6Lmq3brjI  SignatureZotto Sonica barbonica driver http://www.flickr.com/photos/zottoida/ > Do you guys recommend buying a Hyundai ? The only problem I had with my '05 Elantra was that it was too small. It was fine for around town but on lengthy drives too cramped. Since my purchase my brother has gotten an '06 Elantra as has my sisters best friend, and my father has bought an Entourage as well as my Elantra, all on my recomendation. My wife has an 01 Elantra that we bought new with no problems at all. My daughter has an 04 Elantra that has been trouble free and I have an 03 Sonata LX that we also bought new that had a bad rear defrost which required replacing the rear window to fix. Hyundai did the repair quickly and without incident. So, yes, I'd buy again. In fact, in the spring I plan to give the Sonata to my wife, sell her Elantra and get myself an Azera Limited. All that being said, the one thing I've done to all of our cars is get rid of the godawful original equipment Michelin MXV4 tires and put Kumho Solus KH16s on the Elantras and a set of Yokohama Avid H4S on the Sonata. Well worth it. Absolutely! Since Hyundai and Kia are basically the same company now, I will lump my Kias in this as well. Between the two brands, I just purchased my fifth one. Earlier years (20th century models) were indeed "cheap" cars. But this one, the '06 Spectra, essentially the Hyundai Elantra, is one of the best put-together cars I have ever seen from ANY brand. Hyundai/Kia has definitely put a premium on quality recently, and it shows in their vehicles. And since their vehicles can still be had for thousands less than other brands, I do not believe there is a better value in the industry, be it for cars, SUV's, or minvans. > Do you guys recommend buying a Hyundai ? Sure would. Have a 2005 XG350L. Only thing I'd swap itfor would be a new Azera. Two of my daughters have instructed me if I get rid of it they want it > Absolutely! > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >> Do you guys recommend buying a Hyundai ? > Do you guys recommend buying a Hyundai ? Yes, based on my experience of 11 months and 21,000 miles on my 07 Sonata. Trouble free, no warranty issues at all. I have the limited V-6 and performance is great. Best value around. I too have 07 Sonata Limited and LOVE it. I love everything about it - style, comfort, ride, style, and most important maintenance (of which there has been none). The one thing I don't like is the gas mileage. I only get 16 in the city (V6) and I was really hoping for 20 at least. Kevin I want to win the lottery but, alas, it isn't in the cards. you get what you get! -- Message posted using http://www.talkaboutautos.com/group/alt.autos.hyundai/ More information at http://www.talkaboutautos.com/faq.html Yes I have owned my 2002 elantra since sept 2001 and while i have had my share of problems it wouldn't put me off buying another hyundai. The next vehicle i buy will have a little more guts for towing but i'm put off because hyundai doesn't state the towing details for the santa fe ?? It certainly seems to have more guts than the Escape. Ford Escape V6 3.0 l Horsepower 200@6,000 Torque (lb.-ft.@rpm) 193@4,850 Towing Rating 3500 lbs Hyundai Sana Fe V6 3.3 l Horsepower 242@6000 Torque (lb.-ft.@rpm) 226@4500 Towing Rating ?????? some sites say 2000lbs > Yes I have owned my 2002 elantra since sept 2001 and > while i have had my [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > the santa fe ?? It > certainly seems to have more guts than the Escape. Afaik the Santa Fe is built on a Sonata frame , the SF will have a lesser Towing Rating than the Snotty because it weighs more, for every pound on the same chassis the LESS it can tow. towing 'guts' (HP, Torque ) have very little to do with towing ,weight, chassis 'guts' , wheelbase, braking, rim and tire stats are what are important to how it 'tows' ............. Personally if I were wanting to tow I would buy the 'tool' that fits the job but then as far as I am concerned ALL simply usless vehicles built on a CAR frame are rediculous...............(if you put 4 adults and a lot of luggage in them they are 'overloaded' ) ymmv. Good luck > Ford Escape V6 3.0 l > Horsepower 200@6,000 [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Torque (lb.-ft.@rpm) 226@4500 > Towing Rating ?????? some sites say 2000lbs It's always a toss up between multiple uses.. commuting vrs towing. I know a few people who tow with escapes, and other small to mid size suvs. Granted they aren't going to pull 5000lbs but then if that was what was being towed you're right a purpose built vehicle is required. After seeing the specs of vehicles like the escape and dodge nitro.. both with 3500lbs ratings i'd edge towards them as a next vehicle simple because the santa fe isn't quite in the same playing field. Thanks for your input though as it makes perfect sense.. even if for 90% of my use towing isn't a requirement. According to Consumer Reports (who, for better or worse is very impressed with the redesigned Santa Fe), towing is rated at 3,500 pounds with the V6 engine. > Yes I have owned my 2002 elantra since sept 2001 and while i have had my > share of problems it wouldn't put me off buying another hyundai. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Torque (lb.-ft.@rpm) 226@4500 > Towing Rating ?????? some sites say 2000lbs We currently have a '99 5 spd Elantra wagon which we bought new.(A leap of faith at the time) Not a whole lot to complain about in 8 years and 122K miles. Replaced upstream O2 sensor which corrected the check engine and also the cold start valve. The paint and power window regulators are subpar. We drive easy road miles mostly and are still on original clutch, brakes, exhaust and struts. The time and alarm module is shot, but I found one on Ebay. I think cars are made so well now that I'll probably buy used next go around. The likely candidate is a Hyundai kissin' cousin, Kia Spectra5, which I feel is a heck of a lot of car for the money.....but I'll give the re-introduced Elantra wagon a chance to tempt me. L. > Do you guys recommend buying a Hyundai ? Well, I am on my 7th now, so I would have to say yes. I still have the two newest, but another 3 are still running in the family. And, well, let's just say that the first two were problematic but nothing too serious. My 7th, an Entourage, just saved my family's life in a fight with a tractor trailer. P.S. - I just got the Entourage back from the repairs from that fight. It came out great and I am very satisfied. I also got my $500 deductible back (actually I got the check a few days before I even had to pay it), and the truckers insurance paid for my car rental after all. Eric No. Never again. Poor customer relations, crap product. > Do you guys recommend buying a Hyundai ? > Do you guys recommend buying a Hyundai ? 2006 Tucson. Have not had to take it back to dealer for any service except for a factory recall to replace the passenger airbag. The little SUV has been perfect and trouble-free. Really good value for the money so far. Yes I would, I have 3 a 2003 Santa Fe a 2005 XG350L and a 2006 Tucson love them all ']['unez Signature" Never hold your farts in " they go straight up your spine and into your brain and that's where shitty ideas come from " > Do you guys recommend buying a Hyundai ? > Do you guys recommend buying a Hyundai ? I've had my Sonata for 14 months now and I have recommended it to other people. It's a great deal for the money. For an even better deal, look at used instead of new. I own a 2005 Tucson and it's the first and last Hyndai that I buy. Fuel consumption is terrible, I had problem with the wheel alignment and customer service is the worst I have seen. I previously own a Toyota RAV-4 and a Honda Accord wich I consider a better product than Hyundai. > Do you guys recommend buying a Hyundai ? d> Do you guys recommend buying a Hyundai ? Are you going to base your decisions on the responses of a bunch of 'names' in an Internet newsgroup? Could be trolls in here and people with agendas other than providing an unbiased response. While I loath to do this let me suggest you consult Consumer Reports while taking any negative responses here with a grain of salt. I have personally owed 5 Hyundais so far and if they have one to fit my needs next time I am in the market I will certainly buy it. Regards Wayne Moses <wayne.moses@comcast.net> Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:34:35 -0500 And you call CR unbiased? One of the most biased medias I know of. > d> Do you guys recommend buying a Hyundai ? > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > === Posted with Qusnetsoft NewsReader 3.3 r> And you call CR unbiased? One of the most biased medias I know of. I agree with you. For years I would not subscribe to CR because of this perception and also the fact that their reviews are not really intended for 'car people'. I am now a subscriber but for products other than cars. I take their reviews with a grain of salt. The point I was making was, despite the presence of many knowledgeable people here, there are also those who are here for the purpose of peddling mis-information about Hyundais. I merely mentioned CR because, perceived bias aside, it would probably have a legitimately balanced viewpoint. Regards Wayne Moses <wayne.moses@comcast.net> Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:27:53 -0500 > d> Do you guys recommend buying a Hyundai ? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > While I loath to do this let me suggest you consult Consumer Reports while > taking any negative responses here with a grain of salt. Also take Consumer Reports with a large dose of salt. They are quite biased and don't track the long-term reliability of vehicles. And there data is from a bunch of "names" who are their subscribers and thus aren't necessarily a representative sample of drivers nationwide. I've own two cars that were at nearly opposite extremes of CR ratings: a 1984 Accord and a 1989 Acclaim. The Accord, though drooled over by CR, was a POS. The day I traded it on the Acclaim was one of the happiest days of my life. CR constantly panned the Acclaim, but that was the best car I've ever owned. The Sonata may supplant it, but I'll need at least another 100K miles before making that assessment. The Acclaim was bullet-proof. When my wife totaled it in a deer accident at 143,000 miles, it still had the original exhaust system and the only thing it had required other than normal maintenance and wear items was a new flex plate that cracked at around 100,000 miles. The Accord had required more repairs in the first 60,000 miles (including a $900 exhaust system and that was back in the 80s!) than the Acclaim required in its entire life. The Accord engine failed at 72,000 miles and required a new top end (camshaft and complete set of rocker arms), whereas the Acclaim engine was absolutely bullet-proof up to 143,000 miles. Change the oil and filters and run it. Even the engine accessories were original when it was totaled. So, take CR with a BIG dose of salt. They give you their initial impressions in their tests and then depend on subscriber surveys for data longer term, but even that ends at 5 years as I recall. Personally, I've found the "long term" (typically still only a year or so) tests that Popular Mechanics runs are much more useful that CRs results. And PM isn't afraid to also criticize Japanese cars unlike CR who seems to think the Japanese can do no wrong. Matt >> d> Do you guys recommend buying a Hyundai ? >> Are you going to base your decisions on the responses of a bunch of >> 'names' in an Internet newsgroup? Could be trolls in here and people >> with agendas other than providing an unbiased response. >> While I loath to do this let me suggest you consult Consumer Reports >> while taking any negative responses here with a grain of salt. Then there is the 'Honda/Toyota Syndrome' The inability,to publicly admit that one has had problems with said vehicles. Denial, embarrassment, separation from the herd?...not sure why, but I know it exists. L. > Also take Consumer Reports with a large dose of salt. They are quite > biased and don't track the long-term reliability of vehicles. And there [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Matt > Do you guys recommend buying a Hyundai ? Absolutely! My current Elantra is my second Hyundai. I bought it specifically because of the great service I got from my first one. Ditto that Brian! SignatureSteve, 2006 Sonata LX AZ home for sale in growing area near Laughlin, NV- http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/rfs/370324491.html http://www.hoobly.com/0/0/383472.html >> Do you guys recommend buying a Hyundai ? > > Absolutely! My current Elantra is my second Hyundai. I bought it > specifically because of the great service I got from my first one. >Do you guys recommend buying a Hyundai ? Do you work for Hyundai? - Thee Chicago Wolf >Do you guys recommend buying a Hyundai ? only if they bring back the Elantra 5 dr ;-) > Do you guys recommend buying a Hyundai ? WITHOUT hesitation . We operate a large number of vehicles and this years NF Sonata FOUR!!! 2.4 motor Has been more than fantastic 80% is over dirt roads A few Honda and BMW folk have also made the switch and On a Scale of 10 give it a FULL 10 And we are covering 6000 Km a week Just a truly fantastic car Considering I wanted the Caprice or BMW This product is one of the most pleasant surprises of vehicles ever Can send photos of the conditions it operates in NO dust leeks NO rattles NO squeks No service or tune issues OUTstanding fuel economy av 7.9 litres per 100 K's at an average speed of 85-90km per hour Thing is as tough as guts enjoy if/when you get one coming up to 400,000km on mine, I would if my Elantra quits (don't know when) > Do you guys recommend buying a Hyundai ? >Do you guys recommend buying a Hyundai ? I currently own three Hyundais. Here is my answer. Yes, No, Yes. In that order. j> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:43:52 GMT, "desgnr" <desgnr@verizon.net> wrote: >> Do you guys recommend buying a Hyundai ? j> I currently own three Hyundais. Here is my answer. Yes, No, Yes. In j> that order. You sound confused ... ;-) Regards Wayne Moses <wayne.moses@comcast.net> Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:45:24 -0500 'Would you buy again ? ' REPLY: Yes. Im on my second Hyundai and ive bought my folks two as well. The reliability has more than surpassed my expectations with 45,000 miles on my current 2002 SantaFe , and fuel economy has actually increased since replacing the spark plugs with Bosch Plus 4 plugs along with performance type Ignition Wires fairly recently. I like the styling, comfort, sound system, soft ride, and outstanding warranty. Hyundai has earned my loyalty and respect. Its amazing how this Company has gone from making crap back in the 1980's to enjoying a good American and worldwide market share. D> SantaFe , and fuel economy has actually increased since replacing the D> spark plugs with Bosch Plus 4 plugs along with performance type D> Ignition Wires fairly recently. Can you quantify this increase? What wires did you get and was your radio reception affected? When I had my Elantra GT and put Plus 4s in it with stock wires I saw no change in fuel economy. Regards Wayne Moses <wayne.moses@comcast.net> Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:47:13 -0500 'and fuel economy has actually increased since replacing the D> spark plugs with Bosch Plus 4 plugs along with performance type D> Ignition Wires fairly recently. ' YOU :Can you quantify this increase? What wires did you get and was your radio reception affected? ME : I picked up another 1-1.5 mpg in fuel economy both around town and highway going 60 mph. Radio reception was not affected. I cant remember the name of the Ignition Wire Set i bought at a local Car Parts place, but i asked if they had access to Higher Performance type Ignition wires for hyundai , and they did. Ill research this more tomorrow and let you know. D> ME : I picked up another 1-1.5 mpg in fuel economy both around town and D> highway going 60 mph. Radio reception was not affected. I cant remember D> the name of the Ignition Wire Set i bought at a local Car Parts place, D> but i asked if they had access to Higher Performance type Ignition D> wires for hyundai , and they did. Ill research this more tomorrow and D> let you know. Much appreciated. Thanks for the numbers also. Regards Wayne Moses <wayne.moses@comcast.net> Sat, 08 Sep 2007 23:23:44 -0500 >Do you guys recommend buying a Hyundai ? DEFINITELY ! I'm on Hyundai number 7 , a big plus are forums like this where I can get technical info and avdice where I can do most repairs myself (Like replaceing clutches )
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