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Car Forum / Hyundai Cars / December 2007

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HT:  Safety device question

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Eric G. - 18 Dec 2007 18:40 GMT
HT, can you explain to me briefly how the safety sensors work to keep the
drivers side sliding door from opening when the gas door is open on the
Entourage?

The reason I ask is that I discovered the other night that it no longer
works on my Entourage.  Likely, this is due to a screw up by the body shop
after my accident, since this door was replaced, but I want to find out
more before I take it to them.

Yes, my son opened the door while I was refilling the car and ALMOST caused
a major incident.  Luckily I was standing there refilling at the time (in
PA) and managed to use my arm to reverse the door.  It did dent the gas
door though!

Eric
hyundaitech - 18 Dec 2007 23:54 GMT
We went through this in the new-model introduction class, but it's of
course been long enough since then that I don't remember what the
mechanism is.  In my experience, the PSD (power sliding door) stops as
soon as the fuel door is released and will not operate if the fuel door is
already open.  Let's see what we can find in the class materials.

<thumbs through class binder>

Okay.  I've found a page which had a partially covered data screen which
appears to indicate that there is a data point in the PSD module for the
fuel filler door.  Of course, since it's partially covered with another
picture, I can't be sure.  So lets have a look at the schematics.

<visits www.hmaservice.com>

Found the page with the left PSD schematic.  It shows an input from a
"fuel filler door check switch."  But since they've updated hmaservice, I
can't find the link to component locations anymore.  I checked the right
PSD schematic, and there is no such input, so I figure we're on the right
track.

<grabs schematic book with actual pictures>

According to photo 56, this connector for the switch is accessed by
removing the left rear trim panel and is just behind the PSD, about 6 to
10 inches up from the floor.  The picture of a low enough zoom that I
cannot tell whether it's inside the body panel or accessible once the trim
is removed.  For comparision, I looked at photo 58, which shows the
connector for the fuel filler door solenoid, and that's back near the
motor for the PSD.  

It definitely appears safe to say that the left PSD module receives ground
input from the fuel filler door switch when the door in one state or the
other. It's not clear whether opening is inhibited with the switch
providing ground or with the switch open, but you can probably play around
with it and figure it out.

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Eric G. - 19 Dec 2007 00:24 GMT
Thanks!!  Sorry for the trouble, but I sincerely appreciate it.  

Eric

> We went through this in the new-model introduction class, but it's of
> course been long enough since then that I don't remember what the
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hyundaitech - 19 Dec 2007 17:44 GMT
No problem, Eric.  This sort of thing gives me a chance to review some
things I don't know.  When I get one in the shop, I'll already know how it
works, if I remember by the time that comes around.

Once upon a time, I knew when product design changed and how nearly
everything operated just off the top of my head.  That was when Hyundai
had four models.  I went away from Hyundai for a few years, and when I
came back, there were 6 models and some engines I hadn't seen before.  Now
we're up to 8 models, and I have difficulty with mental retention of how
everything works and which vehicles have which systems.

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Edwin Pawlowski - 19 Dec 2007 19:39 GMT
> No problem, Eric.  This sort of thing gives me a chance to review some
> things I don't know.  When I get one in the shop, I'll already know how it
> works, if I remember by the time that comes around.

Since we are helping you work faster, your boss should give you a bonus for
hanging out here.  Heck, he should give us a bonus for asking questions.
Eric G. - 19 Dec 2007 21:07 GMT
>> No problem, Eric.  This sort of thing gives me a chance to review
>> some things I don't know.  When I get one in the shop, I'll already
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> bonus for hanging out here.  Heck, he should give us a bonus for
> asking questions.

Who are you kidding?  HT *IS* the boss :-P

Eric
Eric G. - 19 Dec 2007 21:07 GMT
Plus, no matter how we fight it, we all get older every year :-)  I know
for me personally, I need an internal hard drive and memory upgrade.

Eric

> No problem, Eric.  This sort of thing gives me a chance to review some
> things I don't know.  When I get one in the shop, I'll already know
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John - 29 Dec 2007 10:38 GMT
I suppose some change can be defined as progress though I wonder sometimes.
I have had aircooled VW,s (still do) ( and wife 3 Sonatas)  over 40 years
and I know every
nut,bolt,squeek personally.All the major mech bits between the 3 models I
had were almost all identical.
Sonatas have been fine cars but if it came down to my kids or my VW I,d be
in trouble!!!.
                  John
> Plus, no matter how we fight it, we all get older every year :-)  I know
> for me personally, I need an internal hard drive and memory upgrade.
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