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Car Forum / Hyundai Cars / March 2008Door locked by itself - 2007 Sonata
Today when I stopped to get gas, my door locked by itself. Luckily I had a spare key in my wallet. The key was still in the ignition(turned off). After I got back in, I checked the key - it was a fraction of an inch pulled out. I had not pulled on it when I turned the engine off. All I touched when I got out of the car was the gas cap button. My wife has complained that this has happened to her before also. As it turned out, I had an appointment later in the day with the dealer to get an oil change. I told them about it and they later told me that they could not find anything wrong. I got the distinct feeling that I was been blown off. They also said that its the first they have heard of that occurring.. In my opinion there are two problems here, 1) why did it lock in the first place. 2) Why did it lock with the key in the ignition. I explained that on my 2003 Sonata that I had to pull the key out about 3/4 of the way to make it think the key was out (when you are working on something with the door opened it ding-dongs all the time with the key in), with the 2007 its only that fraction of an inch. I think that its not correct for it to it to be that sensitive. Has any one else had this problem? Has anyone's wife complained about this problem and you assumed she messed up? Maybe you should have listened to her. At this point I am a little leery of this car, not sure what to do except put a hide a key someplace on the car for a backup. -- > Today when I stopped to get gas, my door locked by itself. Luckily I had a > spare key in my wallet. The key was still in the ignition(turned off). [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > put a hide a key someplace on the car for a backup. > That's a new 'Feature', to teach people "NOT to leave the keys on the ignition when they get out of the car. This is a major NO-NO, so Hyundai is helping their customers. ;-) > That's a new 'Feature', to teach people "NOT to leave the keys on the > ignition when they get out of the car. This is a major NO-NO, so Hyundai > is helping their customers. ;-) No - you've got it wrong. It's no major NO-NO to leave your keys in the car for such things as filling up the tank. That's only for the foolish people of the world. It's really the Korean version of a joke. Different sort of sense of humor and all...  Signature-Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net > > That's a new 'Feature', to teach people "NOT to leave the keys on the > > ignition when they get out of the car. This is a major NO-NO, so Hyundai [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > -Mike- > mmarlowREM...@alltel.net One could say a different slant on humour perhaps > >> That's a new 'Feature', to teach people "NOT to leave the keys on the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > sense of humor and all... > No, is not a joke, I wish it was, if you live in a little town, like the one I was born in, yeah, but things had changed, and not for the good. Do that in a big city .... you are asking for BIG trouble. >>> That's a new 'Feature', to teach people "NOT to leave the keys on the >>> ignition when they get out of the car. This is a major NO-NO, so Hyundai [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Do that in a big city .... you are asking for BIG trouble. Well, not really. We're not talking about walking away from a running car here. We're talking about getting out to gas the thing up. Signature-Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net > >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >>>> here. We're talking about getting out to gas the thing up. >>>> Not difference at all, see: http://www.ncpc.org/topics/personal-safety/gas-station-theft-prevention > Not difference at all, see: > > http://www.ncpc.org/topics/personal-safety/gas-station-theft-prevention Oh well - if you want to go jumping at shadows because a cartoon dog tells you to, then just go ahead. Signature-Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net > >> Not difference at all, see: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > you to, then just go ahead. > Nay, the doggy is anecdotally, I do travel, frequently, to Miami, Tampa and Orlando and read news from those places ... it ain't pretty at all. >>> Not difference at all, see: >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Nay, the doggy is anecdotally, I do travel, frequently, to Miami, Tampa > and Orlando and read news from those places ... it ain't pretty at all. Like everything else - it somewhat depends on where you are. Many people do not live in high crime areas and just do not have to worry about such things. Many people extrapolate from anecdotal incidents that happen in high crime areas and attempt to apply them universally. Though I have no doubt some things have happened in these areas, I don't for a moment believe they are universally the case, even in areas throughout Miami, Tampa and Orlando. I have traveled to these areas and I know from firsthand experience that none of these experience problems at gas stations as described in the cartoon dog comments, throughout their respective regions. I certainly believe they can happen, but so can a heart attack. Signature-Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net >> Not difference at all, see: >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Oh well - if you want to go jumping at shadows because a cartoon dog > tells you to, then just go ahead. You guys need to move to Jersey. We're not even supposed to get out of the car here. It's ILLEGAL to pump my own gas, although I always do it anyway. I even leave the kids AND the keys in the car sometimes. Eric >>> Not difference at all, see: >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > anyway. > I even leave the kids AND the keys in the car sometimes. Every time I drive into Jersey I get bit by this. Being a NY'er, it's just commonplace for us to jump out and fill'er up. Signature-Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net > "Eric G." <NgOrSePeAnM99@Zoptonline.Znet> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Every time I drive into Jersey I get bit by this. Being a NY'er, it's > just commonplace for us to jump out and fill'er up. LOL. Yeah, the first time we drove to VA, many years ago, to see some family, I sat there for about 3 minutes before I realized I was supposed to do all this work myself :-) They actually had a sing that siad "No Drive Offs". I assume that meant you weren't supposed to leave without paying. Duh. Eric >>>> Not difference at all, see: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Every time I drive into Jersey I get bit by this. Being a NY'er, it's just >commonplace for us to jump out and fill'er up. Oregon has a ban on fill it yourself, you can get out of the car, though. >>"Eric G." <NgOrSePeAnM99@Zoptonline.Znet> wrote in message > Oregon has a ban on fill it yourself, you can get out of the car, > though. I thought Oregon repealed that just a few years ago? Well, no matter, I was being facitious about getting out of the car in NJ though. You CAN get out, just don't touch the pump. "Eric G." <NgOrSePeAnM99@Zoptonline.Znet> wrote in message > I even leave the kids AND the keys in the car sometimes. Now THAT has possibilities. "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in news:Opvoj.1735$Ch6.764 @newssvr11.news.prodigy.net: > "Eric G." <NgOrSePeAnM99@Zoptonline.Znet> wrote in message >> I even leave the kids AND the keys in the car sometimes. > > Now THAT has possibilities. Yeah, I was hoping someone with kids would pick up on that :-) Eric >> That's a new 'Feature', to teach people "NOT to leave the keys on the >> ignition when they get out of the car. This is a major NO-NO, so Hyundai [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >of the world. It's really the Korean version of a joke. Different sort of >sense of humor and all... This reminds me of my father in law. He lives in a very rural area, while we live in the BIG city. He came down and we had to go to K-Mart. We were getting out of the car and I noticed he left the keys in his car. When I mentioned to him that he might want to take his key out and lock the car up, his response to me was " What if someone needs to move it?" I actually LMAO! Brian > When I mentioned to him that he might want to take his key >out and lock the car up, his response to me was " What if someone >needs to move it?" I actually LMAO! It's still that way in my parts. Well, not everywhere, but in most places. Locks are mostly a nuisance, but are being used more and more. - Bob Where's you FIL live? I'd like to move there. When I was a kid in rural western Wisconsin all the relatives used to leave their homes unlocked if they were away for less than a day or so. If you visited, and they weren't home, you could leave a note saying you'd see them later or whatever. Unfortunately they don't (can't?) do that anymore. And the politicians tell you America's best days are still ahead of us if you elect them. Yeah, right. >>> That's a new 'Feature', to teach people "NOT to leave the keys on the >>> ignition when they get out of the car. This is a major NO-NO, so Hyundai [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Brian > Today when I stopped to get gas, my door locked by itself. Luckily I had a > spare key in my wallet. The key was still in the ignition(turned off). [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > -- good idea when at gas stations or any where to get into the habit of taking the keys with you.Just in case some clown jumps in while you are paying for the gas Groceries etc etc and takes off on a joy ride .To me is a good bit of security that the car locks itself when keys removed yours seem exceptionally touchy though "Pit's" <spamlister@gmail.com> wrote in message > good idea when at gas stations or any where to get into the habit of > taking the keys with you.Just in case some clown jumps in while you > are paying for the gas Groceries etc etc and takes off on a joy > ride .To me is a good bit of security that the car locks itself when > keys removed yours seem exceptionally touchy though I leave the car running while pumping gas and it has not locked on me. In the case of hte OP, it would be good practice to either remove the key or lower a window until some conclusive cause is found. As for going inside to pay, thee is a bit of security if you have the proper type of remote starter installed. With mine, I can hit the button on the fob and then remove the key and leave the engine (and AC or heat) running while you do into the store. You can lock hte doors if you want, but putting your foot on the brake without hte key in the "on" position kills everything. I really like the remote starter when temperatures are extreme in either direction. >"Pit's" <spamlister@gmail.com> wrote in message >> good idea when at gas stations or any where to get into the habit of [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >I really like the remote starter when temperatures are extreme in either >direction. Isn't it breaking the law to leave an unattended vehicle with the engine running, either on the highway or a public place? > Isn't it breaking the law to leave an unattended vehicle with > the engine running, either on the highway or a public place? Depends on where you live. Signature-Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net "irwell" <hook@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>I really like the remote starter when temperatures are extreme in either >>direction. >> > Isn't it breaking the law to leave an unattended vehicle with > the engine running, either on the highway or a public place? Don't know, don't care. Probably is in some places. The news recently had a story about cars being stolen while people warmed them up while they finished their coffee in the morning. With a remote, it is still secure. Hit the button and the doors lock, engine starts and runs, but stops as soon as you hit the brake unless the key is in the on position. Common sense dictates you don't start a car in the garage. The button has to be held for about 4 seconds so a bump won't start it accidentally. It will shut down at a pre-determined time also so that it cannot be left running all day. Mine will go 10 minutes. When I park the car at night, I also put the heated seat button in the on position. This is my second winter with it. I won't have a car without it. SignatureEd http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/ > "irwell" <h...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > This is my second winter with it. I won't have a car without it. Untill your fuel stocks run out over and the past catches up with you:0 > Edhttp://pages.cthome.net/edhome/ > >"Pit's" <spamlis...@gmail.com> wrote in message > >> good idea when at gas stations or any where to get into the habit of [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Isn't it breaking the law to leave an unattended vehicle with > the engine running, either on the highway or a public place? Sir , it is in so in some parts within the Commonwealth of Australia. On this key thing -you folk must have pointed the bone at me. Happened last night when I got in the car !! The chain of events went like this 1 unlocked the car with the key rather than the remote . 2 Alarm triggered 3 used remote to stop alarm 4 Entered car as normal started car as reversing the doos locked by themselves ? That has never happened before ( unless I set the auto lock thing via the arm rest ) This may help hyundai tech track down teh cause. could it be a sequence within teh chip that controls this function ? HTH > "Pit's" <spamlis...@gmail.com> wrote in message > > good idea when at gas stations or any where to get into the habit of [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > I really like the remote starter when temperatures are extreme in either > direction. Ed that is illegal in OZ There lays the problem of posting to groups that are multi national. Illegal to leave keys in ignition at any time when the vehicle is unattended ( $200 fine in this state) Filling a vehicle with engine running and the fine is as per "What are the penalties for non-compliance? Answer: Maximum penalties provided on conviction for breaches of the Explosives and Dangerous Goods (Dangerous Goods Handling and Storage) Regulations 1992 are $50 000 or if the breach is a continuing one, $5 000 per day. These penalties apply to everybody including the licensee, console operator, mechanic and even the customers." But wait there is more another fine is just about to come into force This one is a Federal ping under urban pollution controls act Up to One mIllion dollars (although I think it is aimed more at large particle emitters than the normal fuel station customer) It gets worse now there are various toll free lines to Govt Depts and purpose is to Dobb in observed offenders So we here for all sorts of reasons take our keys -mainly though to deter the scum bags who delight in hopping in vehicles and buzzing off. More than not the vehicle is nearly always found wrapped around a tree or pole or bunt out :( We have had far too many instances where the scum have taken off with babies in the back and in a couple of tragic instances all died when the noddy lost control and crashed ------- Different eh :0 >"Pit's" <spamlister@gmail.com> wrote in message >> good idea when at gas stations or any where to get into the habit of [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >the case of hte OP, it would be good practice to either remove the key or >lower a window until some conclusive cause is found. In Calfornia and I believe a number of other states it is illegal to leave the car running while refueling. Old_Timer >As for going inside to pay, thee is a bit of security if you have the proper >type of remote starter installed. With mine, I can hit the button on the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >I really like the remote starter when temperatures are extreme in either >direction. >>"Pit's" <spamlister@gmail.com> wrote in message >>> good idea when at gas stations or any where to get into the habit of [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Old_Timer Ditto Michigan. In fact I think it's illegal to leave a car running unattended anywhere. The law caused quite a flap when remote starters became popular 'cuz technically it was illegal to remotely start your car in your own driveway! Not sure of the current law now that I'm living in warm Arizona. >>>"Pit's" <spamlister@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>> good idea when at gas stations or any where to get into the habit of [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >your own driveway! Not sure of the current law now that I'm living in warm >Arizona. This is the second year for the law in California that requires headlights to be one in bad weather, i.e weather that is bad enough to have the windshield wipers on. Still many drivers that don't have their lights on under these conditions. Apart from it being the law, it is also commonsense to be seen by other drivers. > good idea when at gas stations or any where to get into the habit of > taking the keys with you.Just in case some clown jumps in while you > are paying for the gas Groceries etc etc and takes off on a joy > ride .To me is a good bit of security that the car locks itself when > keys removed yours seem exceptionally touchy though It's only a good idea if that's what you think is going to happen. Many of us don't live in areas where that is terribly likely, and many of us fill up at pumps where we simply put our card in, pump the gas and get back in the car. There are even some of us that can remember to take our keys out in areas where it is more advisable to do so. Signature-Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net >> good idea when at gas stations or any where to get into the habit of >> taking the keys with you.Just in case some clown jumps in while you [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >car. There are even some of us that can remember to take our keys out in >areas where it is more advisable to do so. Like this old guy who offered to buy us a cup of coffee if we gave him a lift to san Francisco, 200 miles away! The locks on the 2007 Sonata shouldn't lock unless such an input is received (or, if programmed, the vehicle reaches a preset speed). This will be a difficult problem to find, given the intermittent nature. This doesn't of course mean you shouldn't take it to be looked at, but unless the dealer can reproduce the condition, the'll pretty much be limited to anything Hyundai can tell them about similar problems nationwide. It's possible they may pull the interior door panels to investigate for pinched wires and such, but I'd doubt they'd get into too much disassembly unless they had significant reason to believe they were going to find something. Comparing the 2007 to a 2003 will yield little of any value. There's virtually nothing that's the same on either car. Also consider that it's unlikely all of any particular car's design features will be exactly as you'd prefer. The best you can hope for is to have the manufacutrer act because you've made your opinion known to them. And believe me, they do listen to these things. Also, once the door is shut, the locks will again lock with the key in the ignition. At this point, the car assumes you're inside. For now, the best advice I can offer is to not leave the keys in the car. Furthermore, if the vehicle believes the key to be in the ignition, the remote won't work, so taking the remote with you isn't likely to be the solution, either. I agree there's something wrong with the car, and that you have a right to have it fixed. Unfortunately, finding the fix is likely to be costly to you in terms of time and inconvenience. -- Message posted using http://www.talkaboutautos.com/group/alt.autos.hyundai/ More information at http://www.talkaboutautos.com/faq.html Our 2007 Sonata does the same thing with the key pulled partially out of the ignition. We do this when we put it in the garage so we don't have to search where the other one put the keys. I never took it to the dealer because of the intermittent nature, as HT suggested. Maybe there will eventually be a TSB on it. > The locks on the 2007 Sonata shouldn't lock unless such an input is > received (or, if programmed, the vehicle reaches a preset speed). [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > http://www.talkaboutautos.com/group/alt.autos.hyundai/ > More information at http://www.talkaboutautos.com/faq.html I have a 2007 Santa Fe,and I had something similar happen two days ago. Myseft ,The Wife and the teenager went to the local mall for a quick bank and milk run.i parked the SF and left the engine running and then left the vehicle ,soon to be followed by the wife. i got back from getting milk and she the bank and as i sat down she states "nice" i say,whats nice...she says "locking me in" i said i did no such thing...she says that every time she tried to unlock the car to get out that it locked again.they both thought i was in the store watching out the window and using the key fob to lock the door when she tried to get out. I said that i did not do this and was not pranking them which was not believed until i pointed out my keys were in the ignition with the fob attached. it hasnt happened again...could not duplicate it either...going to be a head scratcher trying to figure this one out. >Today when I stopped to get gas, my door locked by itself. Luckily I had a >spare key in my wallet. The key was still in the ignition(turned off). [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >At this point I am a little leery of this car, not sure what to do except >put a hide a key someplace on the car for a backup. <non@non.org> wrote in message > I said that i did not do this and was not pranking them which was not > believed until i pointed out my keys were in the ignition with the fob > attached. > > it hasnt happened again...could not duplicate it either...going to be > a head scratcher trying to figure this one out. Just a thought, could it be the bank? I wonder if the receiver gets a signal from some other source on a nearby frequency and it triggers the door locks. A supermarket in town sits high on a hill where you'd expect great radio reception. Driving near the end where the bank is, you get lots of interference, even at times the bank is open. > <n...@non.org> wrote in message > > I said that i did not do this and was not pranking them which was not [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > reception. Driving near the end where the bank is, you get lots of > interference, even at times the bank is open. Ed you may be on to something . I tried to replicate your problem HEAPS no go. I rang the folks who service our Sonatas he said he HAS heard of it ONCE but they could find nothing . Solution mark IV C -buy a long key chain and clip onto the keys :) Then when one get used to taking keys with you (as one should) put a watch or dog on the chain:) > <non@non.org> wrote in message >> I said that i did not do this and was not pranking them which was not [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > reception. Driving near the end where the bank is, you get lots of > interference, even at times the bank is open. Banks usually have lots of computerized "stuff" - ATMs. computers, cash counting equipment, etc. This can interfere with radio reception. The fobs used with most modern vehicles - the Hyundais for sure - utilize a series of encrypted data bursts. Basically, the data is based on an encryption key that is shared between the receiver in the vehicle, and the fob. This is typically called "rolling code". The shared key gets determined when the fob is paired with the vehicle. There is NO WAY the receiver will mistake anything else for an authentic transmission. If you're interested.... http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/AppNotes/91002a.pdf Hyundai uses Omron http://www.omronauto.com/rftechnology.php but they don't explain anything, and the principal is the same. "Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > There is NO WAY the receiver will mistake anything else for an authentic > transmission. One word. Titanic > "Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >> There is NO WAY the receiver will mistake anything else for an authentic >> transmission. > > One word. Titanic If I remember correctly, the issue with the Titanic was related to something opening - the hull - when it was preferred that that it didn't. The problem here is the inverse. >> "Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >>> There is NO WAY the receiver will mistake anything else for an [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > something opening - the hull - when it was preferred that that it didn't. > The problem here is the inverse. But they said it was unsinkable. The cause does not matter. It sank. You say it is impossible for a radio signal to overpower the receiver for the remote. How many times have you heard "can't happen" just before the crap hit the fan? > But they said it was unsinkable. The cause does not matter. It sank. > You say it is impossible for a radio signal to overpower the receiver for > the remote. How many times have you heard "can't happen" just before the > crap hit the fan? There's a difference between overpowering the receiver - high power RF radiating the electronics directly, inducing voltage in traces in the device - and some interfering source being misinterpreted as a valid sequence. You mentioned some kind of noise on the FM radio - the suspected source being the bank nearby. The receiver is constantly hearing signals on 315 Mhz that is ignores. Other remotes for cars, garage door transmitters, and just plain noise. The decoder needs at least three separate 64 bit encrypted sequences to be exactly correct. That just isn't going to happen, as I said in my original statement "There is NO WAY the receiver will mistake anything else for an authentic transmission". It is possible for a failure, or some kind of design defect in the receiver to randomly cause these lockouts to occur. Hitting an iceberg with the vehicle could result in the doors either opening, or sticking closed depending on a number of factors. > Hitting an iceberg with the vehicle could result in the doors either > opening, or sticking closed depending on a number of factors. No. Hitting an iceberg with a vehicle would cause the vehicle to... sink. Signature-Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net "Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > The decoder needs at least three separate 64 bit encrypted sequences to > be exactly correct. That just isn't going to happen, as I said in my > original statement "There is NO WAY the receiver will mistake anything > else for an authentic transmission". I'd believe you, but life has proven that the most perfect system can fail. Ask any accident investigator. There's a big difference in a negative failure and a positive failure. > "Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >> The decoder needs at least three separate 64 bit encrypted sequences to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I'd believe you, but life has proven that the most perfect system can > fail. Ask any accident investigator. > There's a big difference in a negative failure and a positive failure. True, but they are both a failure. > There's a big difference in a negative failure and a positive failure. What??? You're a smart guy, I'm sure you'll figure it out sooner or later. >> There's a big difference in a negative failure and a positive failure. > > What??? > You're a smart guy, I'm sure you'll figure it out sooner or later. It is an erroneous statement so it isn't possible to figure it out as I can't read your mind. There are false positives and false negatives, Type 1 and 2 failures also called Type I and II and sometimes called alpha and beta failures, but there are no positive and negative failures. Matt
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