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Car Forum / Hyundai Cars / August 2008Timing belt replacement, 2000 Sonata V6
Hi Group, I'm coming due for my timing belt replacement soon on my 2000 Sonata GLS. Since I'll probably have another car to drive in the meantime, I'm thinking I'll try to do it myself. Is there a guide anywhere on how to remove and replace it? Any tips or tricks on getting to it? Looks like it'd be easiest to get access by taking off the right front wheel and splash panel and getting at it that way. HMS has some good info, but a guide with pictures and not just difficult-to-interpret sketches would probably be best. I haven't done much work inside of engines before but I do have a timing light and all the necessary tools. A couple other questions, while on the topic, first...is it worth it to do the water pump at the same time on the GLS? Also, is there really a difference in quality between different brands of belts? I see one kit @ Advance Auto for $183.95...and for a belt and a couple of tensioners I can't help but think how much of that is really margin. I mean...it's just a piece of rubber and a couple of molded metal circles. I saw another kit on ebay for $85, which, while still expensive for what it is, is not nearly as much of a hit. Is there a considerable difference in reliability & life expectancy? Thanks Fred > A couple other questions, while on the topic, first...is it worth it > to do the water pump at the same time on the GLS? Also, is there [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > expensive for what it is, is not nearly as much of a hit. Is there a > considerable difference in reliability & life expectancy? Well of course there is Fred. If you've done any amount of work on a car ever - and I'm guessing you've done some, then you certainly understand that quality is all over the map. There can be some good deals to be had from ebay, and there is some junk to be had too. I wouldn't put anything but a Gates belt in my car. Don't know what brand the belt is you saw on ebay. Belts typically run around $40-$80 on the aftermarket, depending on where you live and if you get any discount off of list. I sure as hell would not go for any bargain belt. Likewise for the tensioners. While it's open, it would be smart to throw a water pump in it.  Signature-Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net > <fpo...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:eac9d83d-20b2-4c84-ab5e-b4668358b68b@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > -Mike- > mmarlowREM...@alltel.net Thanks Mike, The kit I'm looking at on eBay is made by PCI (Preferred Components, Inc)...I don't have any experience with them myself but perhaps someone else does. The one @ Advance is a goodyear kit which, after some more studying, is probably a superior kit. I'll have to call the dealer later today and get a price on an OEM kit, though to be honest I've never really been happy with them in the past...not since they told me I needed new wires only to get the same problem back after dropping $130 and finding out the problem was in the coilpack. Considering that it only needs to be done every ~60,000 miles, and it's an interference engine, probably a bit better off paying for a better kit. I'll also have to look and see if I can find out what else should be done at ~130k. Would still like to find a more graphical guide than the HMAService one. That's mainly what I'm looking for > Would still like to find a more graphical guide than the HMAService > one. That's mainly what I'm looking for I'm not aware of one, but then again, I've never really looked for one. It's a pretty straight forward job though, and more detail isn't really all that necessary. Remove everything you have to in order to get to the front of the engine, remove the front of the engine, replace the belt, the tensioner, the water pump, and put it all back together. Remember that completing the job and discovering 20% extra fasteners left over is considered proper. Signature-Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net <fpocai@gmail.com> wrote in message > A couple other questions, while on the topic, first...is it worth it > to do the water pump at the same time on the GLS? Your choice, but if you have to do the water pump next month or next year, you have to do the exact same labor to get to the pump. I'd replace it now. Also, is there > really a difference in quality between different brands of belts? I > see one kit @ Advance Auto for $183.95...and for a belt and a couple > of tensioners I can't help but think how much of that is really > margin. I mean...it's just a piece of rubber and a couple of molded > metal circles. Just a piece of rubber? Do the math. The engine has probably gone around 150 million revolutions so that is how many rotations of the belt? Why not just get a comparable sized belt from the lawnmower service outfit and use that so you can save even more money. After all, it is just a piece of molded rubber. Maybe the elastic from your underwear will work. > <fpo...@gmail.com> wrote in message > > A couple other questions, while on the topic, first...is it worth it [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > that so you can save even more money. After all, it is just a piece of > molded rubber. Maybe the elastic from your underwear will work. You're right Ed, after thinking about it some more it probably isn't worth it to skimp on the belt...it's just that it seems like a lot of money for a belt, when considering that it probably only costs about $15 tops to manufacture the whole kit. I understand quality is important and I will be going for a more recognized name, but thinking about how much of that is margin is just sickening. I guess that's the case with most long-term maintenance parts though. > You're right Ed, after thinking about it some more it probably isn't > worth it to skimp on the belt...it's just that it seems like a lot of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > about how much of that is margin is just sickening. I guess that's > the case with most long-term maintenance parts though. You have to let go of that margin hangup. That's the way of the world. Think of it this way - how much markup is there in what you do for a living? Signature-Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net <fpocai@gmail.com> wrote in message > You're right Ed, after thinking about it some more it probably isn't > worth it to skimp on the belt...it's just that it seems like a lot of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > about how much of that is margin is just sickening. I guess that's > the case with most long-term maintenance parts though. Most items retail for at least 4X the cost of manufacture. Then you have to look at people paying $2 for a bottle of water. I'd consider using a belt made by any of GoodYear, Gates, or Dayco, or factory belt. Never heard of whatever company you saw on e-bay. Wouldn' touch that with a ten foot pole. Not for something as important as timing belt on an interference engine - Message posted using http://www.talkaboutautos.com/group/alt.autos.hyundai More information at http://www.talkaboutautos.com/faq.htm > I'd consider using a belt made by any of GoodYear, Gates, or Dayco, or a > factory belt. Never heard of whatever company you saw on e-bay. Wouldn't [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > http://www.talkaboutautos.com/group/alt.autos.hyundai/ > More information at http://www.talkaboutautos.com/faq.html Oops. I'm new to the group, and only read it because I rather like Hyundais, based on renting one a few years ago. I didn't realize that Hyundais are interference engines....are they ALL interference in all models? If so, my ardor for Hyundais is rapidly fading...... >> I'd consider using a belt made by any of GoodYear, Gates, or Dayco, or a >> factory belt. Never heard of whatever company you saw on e-bay. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Hyundais are interference engines....are they ALL interference in all > models? If so, my ardor for Hyundais is rapidly fading...... I think the new Sonata's have a timing chain, but the rule of thumb for a Hyundai is timing belt and interference engine. And I agree with you...unless there is a really good excuse for an interference engine I don't see any reason to buy one. As far as I can tell, the Hyundai interference engines are not vastly superior to other non- interference engines that are available. So, one has to wonder why Hyundai has so many interference designs. It is clearly not what the people want, although most probably don't realize they don't want it when they buy the car, only later when it breaks or when the bill comes for the recommended maintenance. Comments? "Dan K" <danielgkNOSPAM@visi.com> wrote in message > I think the new Sonata's have a timing chain, but the rule of thumb for a > Hyundai is timing belt and interference engine. And I agree with [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > later when it breaks or when the bill comes for the recommended > maintenance. Comments? I think it is more of a PITA issue than a cost issue. I'd never buy a car with a belt because it is just one more thing that has to be done. Based on the 60k miles, it works out to about .0065 per mile added cost. Every situation is different. If I bought a new car every three or four years or drove only 6000 miles a year, it would not be a big deal. I drive a car for 5 years and put 150,000 miles and them make it my secondary car for another 5 or more years. As for why the build such engines, I'd have to guess cost. I have to wonder what the up front cost is for a chain driven as opposed to the belt that will add $800 in the life of the car. Mechanical parts do wear out, but to knowing use a cheaper part up front for much more cost later is not a good idea. Hyundai though, has been the low price leader and a few bucks here and there can make or lose the sale. >> I'd consider using a belt made by any of GoodYear, Gates, or Dayco, or a >> factory belt. Never heard of whatever company you saw on e-bay. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Hyundais are interference engines....are they ALL interference in all > models? If so, my ardor for Hyundais is rapidly fading...... The Sonata and 6 cylinder SantaFe are timing chain, not belt. I'm not sure of some of the others. What model are you interested in? >>> I'd consider using a belt made by any of GoodYear, Gates, or Dayco, or a >>> factory belt. Never heard of whatever company you saw on e-bay. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > The Sonata and 6 cylinder SantaFe are timing chain, not belt. I'm not > sure of some of the others. What model are you interested in? I like the Elantra and the Sonata.... thanks for the info re: timing chains. 2006 and newer Sonatas have chain. Older Sonatas and all Elantras use bel drive. As I recall, the maintenance interval on the timing belt wa increased to something like 7 years/105k beginning with the 2007 Elantra - Message posted using http://www.talkaboutautos.com/group/alt.autos.hyundai More information at http://www.talkaboutautos.com/faq.htm > Hi Group, > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > I mean...it's just a piece of rubber and a couple of molded > metal circles. If that's your idea of a timing belt, I'll recommend that you stay at least 2 feet away from your engine. Let the pro's dealt with it, you'll blow-up your engine. > I saw another kit on ebay for $85, which, while still > expensive for what it is, is not nearly as much of a hit. Is there a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Fred |
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