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Car Forum / Hyundai Cars / November 2008Trany fluid change question
I own a 2005 Elantra and need a tranmission oil change at 60,000 miles. My question is what is necessary to maintain the 100,000 miles warantee? I have conflicting information. 1. Drain and fill? 2. Drain and fill and disconnect the line to the radiator? 3. Drop the pan, clean/replace the filter if there is one there that is accesable. Some one told me it is not accesable for the average home mechanic. 4. Have a power flush performed? I prefer to do the minimum that keeps the warantee valid and that would be a drain and fill. I will be keeping the car for 100,000 miles but not for much more. Where can I purchase SPIII other than from the dealer. Can a parts store such as Autozone or others special order the fluid and if so what brand would you recomend. Is the fluid from a KIA dealer cheeper than from a Hyndai dealer and is it the same and acceptable to use? Comments welcome. **HyundaiTech has reported in the past that a "drain and refill" is always considered a proper servicing to maintain the warranty - if the right fluid is used; **SPIII (now becoming SPIV) is a Mitsubishi fluid. By their own admission, marketing for it failed miserably. HT recommends you buy ONLY that fluid. And I do agree, at least to the extent to NEVER put any kind of Dexron-based fluid (the most common) in your Hyundai **That said, oil companies like Castrol are starting to market a special IMPORT Multi - Vehicle ATF. It was the first fluid to specifically list being compatible with Mitsubishi SPIII. That is what you would find at a store like Auto Zone. In fact, it is on sale at Auto Zone this month. If you buy this, make sure it says IMPORT and not DOMESTIC. **If you do decide to play it safe and get SPIII fluid, the dealer is your only bet. But prices vary greatly, and the car dealer's brand (Kia, Mitsubishi, Hyundai) seems to have no relation to price, at least not in my experience/ >I own a 2005 Elantra and need a tranmission oil change at 60,000 > miles. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Comments welcome. > **If you do decide to play it safe and get SPIII fluid, the dealer is your > only bet. But prices vary greatly, and the car dealer's brand (Kia, > Mitsubishi, Hyundai) seems to have no relation to price, at least not in my > experience/ Down here, the fluid was half as much at the Kia dealership than at the Hyundai dealerships. I say this not to disagree, but to encourage comparison shopping :) > **HyundaiTech has reported in the past that a "drain and refill" is always > considered a proper servicing to maintain the warranty - if the right fluid [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Mitsubishi, Hyundai) seems to have no relation to price, at least not in my > experience/ The 2002 2.7 Sonata LX I bought was serviced at 92KMi 18 months ago. The receipt the owner gave me states: ============================================================ TRANSMISSION FLUSH W SYNTHETIC FLUID BG synthetic ATF 4 gal $61.41 INSTALL cleaner to suspend harmful varnish and sludge, and completely flush out old fluid and contaminates from the valve body, torque converter, and cooler lines, refilling with new fluid $53.67 Trans flush kit $24.91 ============================================================ So....my transmission seems to work fine. I'm wondering why the guy I bought the car from paid $139.99 for the transmission service...and if they used the correct fluid... and if not if the past 11KMi with the wrong fluid has damaged the tranny. Most of the the last year it has sat in my driveway and has not been driven. I asked at NAPA about the SPIII fluid, and the guy tried to sell me some "anti-friction" additive that he said would "convert" the ATF. I took a pass. I'm thinking I need to change the fluid just to be sure. Is draining it OK, or do I need to try and get all the fluid out? Is there anything else I should service on the tranny? I'm willing to pay for the SPIII, it's cheaper than a new tranny. I will shop around, though.  SignaturePB "I suspect you're an arrogant little pissant who grew up in the Red Bull generation." - CJW A drain-and-fill only replaces about half the fluid. You'll want to hear from someone more expert than me about what percentage is really safe. (Any tribological experts out there know?) In my case, the guy drain-and-filled with what I later found was the wrong fluid, so I freaked out and did two drain-and-fills of my own with actual SP-III fluid. The math says: Initial Composition: 100% worn SP-III After Luis Transmission (Convoy St., San Diego) exercised their incompetence: 50% worn SP-III, 50% Dexron/Mercon After 1 drain-n-fill: 50% new SP-III, 25% worn SP-III, 25% Dexron/ Mercon After 2nd drain-n-fill: 75% new SP-III, 12.5% worn SP-III, 12.5% Dexron/Mercon So maybe I'm slowly ruining my transmission .... but at least it's a relatively small percent. I've noticed no ill effects in the 20K miles or so since then. If they used Dexron/Mercon to flush your transmission, and if my assumption that 12.5% is a low enough percentage to be safe, you could fix it with 3 drain-n-fill-drive cycles. Or you could call dealerships, verify that they use SP-III in their service (NOT a safe assumption, trust me *cough*KerneyMesaHyundai*cough*!), and get a full flush. Good luck! > I'm thinking I need to change the fluid just to be sure. Is > draining it OK, or do I need to try and get all the fluid out? Is > there anything else I should service on the tranny? I'm willing > to pay for the SPIII, it's cheaper than a new tranny. I will shop > around, though. "TRANSMISSION FLUSH W SYNTHETIC FLUID BG synthetic ATF 4 gal $61.41 INSTALL cleaner to suspend harmful varnish and sludge, and completel flush out old fluid and contaminates from the valve body, torqu converter, and cooler lines, refilling with new fluid $53.67 Trans flush kit $24.91" If this were my car, I'd *flush* it with SP-III fluid unless BG Product is willing to guarantee my transmission in the event Hyundai refuses t pay for it. I don't know what BG synthetic ATF 4 is (suspect it specs ou as Mopar ATF+4), but it's not SP-III. It may be one of thos meets-many-specs fluids, but I doubt their claims as well. Differen fluids have different friction properties. More (or less) friction isn' necessarily better, it's just different. - Message posted using http://www.talkaboutautos.com/group/alt.autos.hyundai More information at http://www.talkaboutautos.com/faq.htm > The 2002 2.7 Sonata LX I bought was serviced at 92KMi 18 months ago. The > receipt the owner gave me states: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > I should service on the tranny? I'm willing to pay for the SPIII, it's > cheaper than a new tranny. I will shop around, though. How in the world can that BG fluid be used in absolutely any auto transmission? At least that's what BG claims: http://www.bgprod.com/products/transmission.html The funny thing is that both the local Kia and Hyundai dealers use it instead of SP III. >> The 2002 2.7 Sonata LX I bought was serviced at 92KMi 18 months ago. The >> receipt the owner gave me states: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> fluid has damaged the tranny. Most of the the last year it has sat in my >> driveway and has not been driven. <snip> > How in the world can that BG fluid be used in absolutely any auto > transmission? At least that's what BG claims: > http://www.bgprod.com/products/transmission.html > > The funny thing is that both the local Kia and Hyundai dealers use it > instead of SP III. Hmm. Interesting information. As an update, I went through the service records again, and I realized that the ATF was actually replaced at 30K, same place, same fluid. So actually, the car has been driven for about 4 years and 73K with this BG fluid. SignaturePB "I suspect you're an arrogant little pissant who grew up in the Red Bull generation." - CJW Unless you have something different in your manual than I've seen recently you don't need to do anything. Any recent manual I've seen says ATF need to be changed at 105k - Message posted using http://www.talkaboutautos.com/group/alt.autos.hyundai More information at http://www.talkaboutautos.com/faq.htm |
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