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Car Forum / Hyundai Cars / July 2009Hyundai car making strange noise
Hi. We have a Hyundai Accent GS car (2001) that's been making this bizarre "clicking" or "creaking" noise while driving it. I recorded a sample here: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?2md3oydznvm There's two instances of the noise in this clip starting at about 0.8 and 2.3 seconds. You may have to turn up the volume a little and listen close as it seems to have gotten more drowned out in the recording than it is when listening with the ear. What could be causing this? It sounds like it's coming from the front passenger quadrant of the car, maybe the wheel area, but I'm not sure. > We have a Hyundai Accent GS car (2001) that's been making this bizarre > "clicking" or "creaking" noise while driving it. I recorded a sample > here: > > http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?2md3oydznvm It's from the enginetrannysuspensionbodyhoodaxlebrakestrutdoohickey. Don't worry, all Hyundais do that. Actually, it's almost impossible to tell what the noise is just from a recording. I'd have to actually drive the car at different speeds, over different terrain (smooth, bumpy, rough, etc), speeding up, slowing down, turning left, right, braking and so on.... to try and narrow it down to the most likely causes. Then it's back to the shop, up on the hoist, and start prying and twisting parts to pinpoint the noise. > > We have a Hyundai Accent GS car (2001) that's been making this bizarre > > "clicking" or "creaking" noise while driving it. I recorded a sample [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Then it's back to the shop, up on the hoist, and start prying and twisting parts > to pinpoint the noise. And that's the rub. It doesn't seem to correlate with anything specifically... it happens on smooth roads, rough roads, at different speeds... Does your accent have hub caps? On Jul 15, 10:53 pm, "MasterBlaster" <Nobody's.H...@My.Place> wrote: > "mike3" wrote: > > We have a Hyundai Accent GS car (2001) that's been making this bizarre [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > parts > to pinpoint the noise. And that's the rub. It doesn't seem to correlate with anything specifically... it happens on smooth roads, rough roads, at different speeds... > Does your accent have hub caps? Yes it does have hub caps, but I'm not sure how that would be generating the sound. On Jul 16, 2:29 pm, "jim" <jwhite18...@nospampeoplepc.com> wrote: > Does your accent have hub caps? Yes it does have hub caps, but I'm not sure how that would be generating the sound. *********************************************** I've had cars years ago that had sounds from poor fitting caps. They do move when the weight is shifted or the wheel is turned and stressed. Be sure they are on tight. I have had cars with hub caps that somehow got a small stone in them. That would describe the noise you describe. Also as said by someone else - be sure they are on tight. Jim On Jul 16, 2:29 pm, "jim" <jwhite18...@nospampeoplepc.com> wrote: > Does your accent have hub caps? Yes it does have hub caps, but I'm not sure how that would be generating the sound. In Fact remove the caps and see if noise disappears. >I have had cars with hub caps that somehow got a small stone in them. That >would describe the noise you describe. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > generating > the sound. > I have had cars with hub caps that somehow got a small stone in them. That > would describe the noise you describe. You can listen to the recording I provided. Did you do that? > Also as said by someone else - be sure they are on tight. Well they don't seem to be loose. > On Jul 16, 2:29 pm, "jim" <jwhite18...@nospampeoplepc.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > generating > the sound. "mike3" <mike4ty4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > Also as said by someone else - be sure they are on tight. Well they don't seem to be loose. ******************************************************** Many things are not as they seem. You asked for help, you were given suggestions from real life experiences, you don't thing they are viable. I can't speak for the others, but I don't care if the car screams, clangs, or whistles. > "mike3" <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > Also as said by someone else - be sure they are on tight. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > can't speak for the others, but I don't care if the car screams, clangs, or > whistles. If I didn't think it viable, I wouldn't have even bothered to look at it. What exactly am I supposed to be looking for? I tried wiggling it with my hand and I didn't notice anything weird about it. If I didn't think the suggestion viable, then I wouldn't have done that. If my "test" was done wrong, then how should I test it right? "mike3" <mike4ty4@yahoo.com> wrote in message If I didn't think it viable, I wouldn't have even bothered to look at it. What exactly am I supposed to be looking for? I tried wiggling it with my hand and I didn't notice anything weird about it. If I didn't think the suggestion viable, then I wouldn't have done that. If my "test" was done wrong, then how should I test it right? *************************************************** Take them off and see if you have the noise. >"mike3" <mike4ty4@yahoo.com> wrote in message If I didn't think it viable, I >wouldn't have even bothered to look at [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >done >wrong, then how should I test it right? some people should take the bus. TAKE THE HUBCAPS OFF! Can you do that??? Then, DO IT and report back here if the *noise* went away. Thanks a lot. Nick >*************************************************** > >Take them off and see if you have the noise. > >"mike3" <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message If I didn't think it viable, I > >wouldn't have even bothered to look at [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > TAKE THE HUBCAPS OFF! Can you do that??? Then, DO IT and report back > here if the *noise* went away. It's a family car and the rest of the family doesn't agree on doing this hubcap thing, for the reasons I've given. >> >"mike3" <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message If I didn't think it viable, I >> >wouldn't have even bothered to look at [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >this hubcap thing, >for the reasons I've given. sight unseen, sound not heard, it is impossible to diagnose > >> >"mike3" <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message If I didn't think it viable, I > >> >wouldn't have even bothered to look at [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > sight unseen, sound not heard, it is impossible to diagnose So you couldn't hear in the recording? Did you turn it up loud enough and listen for the chittering at the times I mentioned? > "mike3" <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message If I didn't think it viable, I > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Take them off and see if you have the noise. Well yeah, but I thought the first check would be to feel if they're loose. If they don't feel loose... But I could still give it a try anyway. Why is this such a problem Mike? There could be a small rock in one of them too. Geez Jim On Jul 17, 3:50 am, "Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote: > "mike3" <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message If I didn't think it viable, > I [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Take them off and see if you have the noise. Well yeah, but I thought the first check would be to feel if they're loose. If they don't feel loose... But I could still give it a try anyway. >Why is this such a problem Mike? > >There could be a small rock in one of them too. A buddy who knew nothing about cars called me one day and asked me if he could come over to check what he called "a serious problem" with his car. Think it was a late 70's Cutlass, with a 350. Nice car. He insisted I take it on a Florida vacation once, and I did. Said he was "embarrassed" when pulling up to a light and the noise would make people look at him. Problem was week old. He comes over and we get in the car. He pulls out and I can clearly hear clanging in his right front. Has to be in the hubcap. I tell him to pull over - we only went 10 feet, and popped the hubcap and a lug nut with broken stud falls out. Told him to take it to a tire shop and get the stud replaced. He was glowing with happiness and thought I was a genius. I didn't hear Mike's sound file, so I can't say. Won't hurt to look. But I've heard a million other car noises compared to one time something was in a hubcap. Have heard noisy hubcaps though. Usually fancy ones where something gets loose. --Vic >>Why is this such a problem Mike? >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > --Vic I know it might be something else, and probably is, but wouldn't you want to try the easiest and cheapest fix first? >>>Why is this such a problem Mike? >>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >I know it might be something else, and probably is, but wouldn't you want to >try the easiest and cheapest fix first? I said it wouldn't hurt. I listened to the sound file and didn't hear anything really. So my advice is to provide a better sound file or take it somebody who can figure it out. Never heard a noise that can't be located pretty quickly. For lower speed stuff running alongside the car can help pin it down quick. I like the recorder idea. Might tape it to different parts of the suspension and the louder it gets the closer you are. Or a good front end man and a rack might tell the tale real fast. But I have absolutely no idea what the noise sounds like so I can't recommend anything beyond what I said. --Vic > On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:24:15 -0400, "jim" > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > I said it wouldn't hurt. I listened to the sound file and didn't hear > anything really. You need to turn it up and listen close at the times I mentioned. It's a fast clicking noise. I know, there's a lot of normal noise (engine running, road sound, etc.) in front of it. It's easier to hear when you're really in the car than in the recording. > So my advice is to provide a better sound file or > take it somebody who can figure it out. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > --Vic > >>Why is this such a problem Mike? > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > I know it might be something else, and probably is, but wouldn't you want to > try the easiest and cheapest fix first? I suppose, but these hubcaps have big holes in them, so I'm not sure how something could get caught in there, move around a lot, and not come out. Furthermore, there is more reason to believe this is not a hubcap problem (and so this test would just be a waste): sometimes I've heard the sound when the car is not moving, but idling. When it happens while idling, there may be, though I'm not sure, a correlation with putting it into/out of gear, for example shifting to/from park. And it doesn't happen constantly when it's moving either, just episodically. When it occurs with the shifting it's only like I think 1, 2, maybe 3 clicks (but they sound just the same and have the same frequency.). > > "Vic Smith" <thismailautodele...@comcast.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > the same > frequency.). And it also doesn't always happen when changing gears, either. But sometimes it's been heard it at those times. > > > "Vic Smith" <thismailautodele...@comcast.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Could you be a dear and leave usenet for those who don't slap respondants' suggestions back in their faces? I can't tell you how much I hope the noise is hubcap creep. Toyota MDT in MO > Could you be a dear and leave usenet for those who don't slap > respondants' suggestions back in their faces? I can't tell you how > much I hope the noise is hubcap creep. > > Toyota MDT in MO I'm thinking it's a sticky caliper. Just did another set of rear discs on a GM with STUCK glides. Anyone have a better lube for them? The stuff I'm using now is a silicone based grease made for the pins but it still doesn't last that long. The current method is to clean (or replace them if pitted) the pins. use a dowel to clean out the bores (a .30 caliber gun brush works REAL well) then solvent flush and air dry. Then a generous helping of lube and install the pins. Then a light coat of sealer inside the boot to lock it to the caliper mount and to the pin. I would think that water/air wouldn't be getting in there but I still get a couple that stick.  SignatureSteve W. >> Could you be a dear and leave usenet for those who don't slap >> respondants' suggestions back in their faces? I can't tell you how [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Anyone have a better lube for them? I got some black stuff in little clear plastic tubes; can't remember name...too lazy to dig through my *kit* but for giggles, couldn't you just squeeze some silver-colored anti-seize into the pin guides? The same stuff we use on spark plugs. Takes the heat, just can't say how long it would stay where it should. Then in 30 days or so, see if you still have play in the calipers...maybe use a screwdriver to test, but remember the pads need to be compressed first. So have to remove wheel and tire to do that. Just an idea if you've got the time. Nick > The stuff I'm using now is a >silicone based grease made for the pins but it still doesn't last that long. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >to the caliper mount and to the pin. I would think that water/air >wouldn't be getting in there but I still get a couple that stick. > >> Could you be a dear and leave usenet for those who don't slap > >> respondants' suggestions back in their faces? I can't tell you how [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Antiseize isn't a terrible thing to use on sealed slide parts, but it isn't ideal or recommended for this application. It isn't quite the lubricant that silicone/ceramic products are and it doesn't seal out, shed or adhere in moisture as well. >> >> Could you be a dear and leave usenet for those who don't slap >> >> respondants' suggestions back in their faces? I can't tell you how [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >lubricant that silicone/ceramic products are and it doesn't seal out, >shed or adhere in moisture as well. Okay, thanks for the Tip, MTD. I'll keep using that brake grease that I buy in little tubes then. I find one little tube will do two calipers/anti-squeal shims. I would hate to go to all that trouble only to find the pin slides *dry* from seepage or some such. Nick >> Could you be a dear and leave usenet for those who don't slap >> respondants' suggestions back in their faces? I can't tell you how [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > would think that water/air wouldn't be getting in there but I still > get a couple that stick. I don't know the specific setup you've got there, but if it's what I think it is, then the rubber boots may be fitting too loosely (old), or the grooves the boots sit in have corrosion in them. On my car I've found Sil-Glyde to work the best for the pins, BUT it depends on the cleanliness of the boot grooves, and the tightness of the boots in those grooves. The rubber boots do expand with age, making them fit more loosely, allowing water in. SignatureTegger > I'm thinking it's a sticky caliper. Just did another set of rear discs > on a GM with STUCK glides. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > -- > Steve W. There are a lot of good brake greases available. I'm currently using a purple colored Permatex product (brush in cap style) that may actually be relabelled Ceramlub. Its visible properties and performance seem OK but it's too early to tell at this time. If you are in NY, then you just have to suffer the consequences of nasty weather and salt (if used). I would suggest on caliper bores that aren't corroded, you don't brush them or their pins, but clean and dry with solvent/swab/whatever. There's no reason to abraid the corrosion resistant coating if it is still working. On corroded parts you have to wire brush or replace. The rubber components are usually the culprit when a pin gets corroded. If you replace them with the typical aftermarket boot kit you will probably be in for more of the same as they are often thin, distorted junk compared to OE. They barely hold up here in mostly decent weather, I can't imagine crappy boots standing a chance in the N.E. >> I'm thinking it's a sticky caliper. Just did another set of rear discs >> on a GM with STUCK glides. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > barely hold up here in mostly decent weather, I can't imagine crappy > boots standing a chance in the N.E. Yep, upstate NY. Never heard of nasty weather here...;-) Salt? OH you mean "corrosion accelerator".. I currently use Permatex Ultra silicone. Seem to work OK but I wondered if anyone had a better lube. Normally I just flush the bores with solvent and dry them. Pins get cleaned and burnished or replaced if pitted. If the seals are intact then I clean the grooves and apply a thin coat of permatex sealer to hold them secure once installed. I see the same thing with the aftermarket crap. SignatureSteve W. > >> I'm thinking it's a sticky caliper. Just did another set of rear discs > >> on a GM with STUCK glides. [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > - Show quoted text - If you don't mind me asking, what do you mean by (or how do you go about) burnishing the pins? Thanks. Toyota MDT in MO >> I currently use Permatex Ultra silicone. Seem to work OK but I wondered >> if anyone had a better lube. Normally I just flush the bores with [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Toyota MDT in MO Use a fine wire wheel to get any crud off. Then clean the groove real well. Then the pins get hooked to a mandrel (high tech - cut off bolt that will thread into them) Then I use what is basically a flat knife steel to smooth them out. Takes about 30 seconds to do each one. They are smooth then. I've been thinking about buying a couple new caliper mounts and seeing if they can be bushed with a bronze or stainless sleeve. SignatureSteve W. > >> I currently use Permatex Ultra silicone. Seem to work OK but I wondered > >> if anyone had a better lube. Normally I just flush the bores with [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I see. That's going pretty far but I like your methodology and perseverance :-) >>>> I currently use Permatex Ultra silicone. Seem to work OK but I wondered >>>> if anyone had a better lube. Normally I just flush the bores with [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > I see. That's going pretty far but I like your methodology and > perseverance :-) I HATE sticking calipers!!!! SignatureSteve W. > > > > "Vic Smith" <thismailautodele...@comcast.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > respondants' suggestions back in their faces? I can't tell you how > much I hope the noise is hubcap creep. Why do you think I'm just dismissing it? Rather I thought about it, and I weighed it in light of available evidence. >> Could you be a dear and leave usenet for those who don't slap >> respondants' suggestions back in their faces? I can't tell you how [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > and > I weighed it in light of available evidence. *What* evidence? you didn't even try the only suggestion you've gotten. Ok, take the car in to a mechanic and have him change the entire front end. Cost you a couple of thousand, problably won't eliminate the sound, will take at least a week without the car, but at least you won't have spend 15 minutes removing the hubcaps and listening if the sound is gone. > >> Could you be a dear and leave usenet for those who don't slap > >> respondants' suggestions back in their faces? I can't tell you how [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > *What* evidence? you didn't even try the only suggestion you've gotten. The "evidence" is that the sound also happens when the car is not moving but idling, as I mentioned in another post here. I'm not sure how a hubcap could cause that. > Ok, take the car in to a mechanic and have him change the entire front > end. Cost you a couple of thousand, problably won't eliminate the sound, > will take at least a week without the car, but at least you won't have > spend 15 minutes removing the hubcaps and listening if the sound is gone. >> >> Could you be a dear and leave usenet for those who don't slap >> >> respondants' suggestions back in their faces? I can't tell you how [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >hubcap >could cause that. For the sake of MY sanity, this thread is killfiled. but before I go, lift the hood and see if you can narrow it down to a slipping alternator/acon/water pump belt. BY BYE !!!!! <PLONK> > >> >> Could you be a dear and leave usenet for those who don't slap > >> >> respondants' suggestions back in their faces? I can't tell you how [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > lift the hood and see if you can narrow it down to a slipping > alternator/acon/water pump belt. I checked it, it seems tight. > BY BYE !!!!! > <PLONK> Forget this group... "mike3" <mike4ty4@yahoo.com> wrote in message Furthermore, there is more reason to believe this is not a hubcap problem (and so this test would just be a waste): sometimes I've heard the sound when the car is not moving, but idling. When it happens while idling, there may be, though I'm not sure, a correlation with putting it into/out of gear, for example shifting to/from park. And it doesn't happen constantly when it's moving either, just episodically. When it occurs with the shifting it's only like I think 1, 2, maybe 3 clicks (but they sound just the same and have the same frequency.). ************************************************************************ That is important information you left out the first time. Doing diagnostics you follow certain paths of common problems. Noises when moving versus noises when standing are usually very different sources. Given your mechanical abilities and aptitude, there is a fairly simple solution to the problem. Take the car to the dealer Monday morning. Trade it in on a new one. > "mike3" <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > diagnostics you follow certain paths of common problems. Noises when moving > versus noises when standing are usually very different sources. And what about ones that occur during both? But now that I *have* given the information, what would you suspect now? >> "mike3" <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> That is important information you left out the first time. Doing >> diagnostics you follow certain paths of common problems. Noises when moving [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >But now that I *have* given the information, what would you suspect >now? The internet can't help here. So far all I've gathered is there is a "clicking" sound sometimes. Maybe the dashboard is clicking when the sun hits it. Maybe this, maybe that. Or quite possibly this or that. Give up asking here and take it to somebody who can listen to it. What does your wife say about it? She might know. Every time my wife says "something's wrong with the car" I tell her she's crazy. Then a short time later I have to fix what was wrong. Still haven't figured that out. --Vic > >> "mike3" <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Then a short time later I have to fix what was wrong. > Still haven't figured that out. Well I do know someone who is more knowledgeable with this but they were stumped. And we also took it to a mechanic at a car shop, they didn't know what it was either. "mike3" <mike4ty4@yahoo.com> wrote in message But now that I *have* given the information, what would you suspect now? ******************************************************************** I suspect you have no clue about cars. Buy a new one and it will be covered under warranty. > "mike3" <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I suspect you have no clue about cars. Buy a new one and it will be covered > under warranty. We don't have the money. Why not tell me though what you would think, based on this new information? Or is it still not enough? > That is important information you left out the first time. Doing > diagnostics you follow certain paths of common problems. Noises when > moving > versus noises when standing are usually very different sources. And what about ones that occur during both? But now that I *have* given the information, what would you suspect now? Rather obvious now, this Troll has caught a lot of us. I'm putting him in my plop bucket. Jim > > That is important information you left out the first time. Doing > > diagnostics you follow certain paths of common problems. Noises when [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Rather obvious now, this Troll has caught a lot of us. I'm putting him in > my plop bucket. My intent though is not to troll this group. But you won't believe that, I guess. What exactly am I doing wrong? Sorry Mike, I also subscribe to the alt.support.hardofhearing newsgroup, so no, I did not listen to the recording. Wouldnt do me any good without closed captioning. Just trying to assist here. I suggested you remove the hub caps and see if the noise disappears, if not then I can be of no further help to you. Jim On Jul 16, 3:20 pm, "jim" <jwhite18...@nospampeoplepc.com> wrote: > I have had cars with hub caps that somehow got a small stone in them. That > would describe the noise you describe. You can listen to the recording I provided. Did you do that? > Also as said by someone else - be sure they are on tight. Well they don't seem to be loose. > Jim"mike3" <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > generating > the sound. My diagnosis: If it didn't make strange noises, it wouldn't be a Hyundai As long as the wheels turn in the proper direction when you want them to...you're getting your money's worth. Nick LMAO111 Steve in AZ >> We have a Hyundai Accent GS car (2001) that's been making this bizarre >> "clicking" or "creaking" noise while driving it. I recorded a sample [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > parts > to pinpoint the noise. |
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