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Car Forum / Hyundai Cars / July 2009"Cleaned up" sound file of strange car noise
Hi. I tried to clean up that recording that I made of the sound the Hyundai car was giving off (see my last thread): http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=a1be8fd0d9fda946d2db6fb9a8902bda Th first bit you hear (before the pause) is uncleaned, then the second is the cleaned up part. It might have distorted the sound a little, so you might want to listen to the first one a few times until you hear it and compare. I also cropped it so the sound is present through the entire time when you can hear something (i.e. excluding the pause between the two versions). Can you hear it better now? > I tried to clean up that recording that I made of the sound the > Hyundai car was giving off (see my last thread): > http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=a1be8fd0d9fda946d2db6fb9a8902bda > > Can you hear it better now? No. I downloaded your "improved" clip, doubled the volume again, and cut out the first part so it just loops over and over and over. It sounds like someone sat a microphone on a running engine. Other than that, I can not make out any specific (or even vaguely identifiable) noise. Our brains are wonderful things, able to isolate a single person's voice while standing in a crowd with everyone talking at the same volume, but with a recording like yours, where we don't know which of the 500 noises contained in the 1/2 second clip are "normal" for your particular engine, and which you've been listening to for weeks / months / years, it's virtually impossible for US to pick out any "new" noise. Sorry, but listening to WAVs on the Internet is not the best way to diagnose this. > > I tried to clean up that recording that I made of the sound the > > Hyundai car was giving off (see my last thread): [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Sorry, but listening to WAVs on the Internet is not the best way to diagnose this. And that's what sucks: there's all that other noise in there, and I just can't really get it out. But if you can hear a "knocking" or "clakking" or "creaking" noise in there, that's the noise I'm referring to. How _can_ I diagnose this problem? We took the car to a mechanic at the car shop and he was mystified too! And that's what sucks: there's all that other noise in there, and I just can't really get it out. But if you can hear a "knocking" or "clakking" or "creaking" noise in there, that's the noise I'm referring to. How _can_ I diagnose this problem? We took the car to a mechanic at the car shop and he was mystified too! ******************************************************************************************** At what point are you going to understand that people cannot hear your problem sounds via the files you provide. Quit trying to clean up the file and asking people to listen to it again. It's just not working. What kind of a mechanic did you take your car to? A real garage, or a shade tree mechanic? Try another mechanic. If a mechanic who saw the car in person was "mystified", then how in the hell can you possibly expect people on the internet to figure it out?  Signature-Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net > And that's what sucks: there's all that other noise in there, and I > just can't really [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > was "mystified", then how in the hell can you possibly expect people on the > internet to figure it out? I know. I guess I'm just frustrated. The guy was at Carquest or something like that, I think. Also, what _did_ you hear in that file, anyways? What sort of sounds? Could you hear any noises that didn't sound just like the whirr of the engine and wheels? I know. I guess I'm just frustrated. The guy was at Carquest or something like that, I think. Also, what _did_ you hear in that file, anyways? What sort of sounds? Could you hear any noises that didn't sound just like the whirr of the engine and wheels? ******************************************************************************** That's funny. Carquest or something like that. You cant' hook anyone here with that one. Not even good bait. I did hear something in the audio file though, and I think you should look into it quickly. I heard an out of note gonkulator and possibly a bad muffler bearing (though I can't be quite sure of that...). The gonkulator really concerns me though, since that can result in a complete engine, transmission and suspension replacement within as short as a couple thousand miles. Sometimes far less. I think I'd run it by Home Depot. Have the plumbing guy take a look. Gonkulator problems are often easily addressed with a couple simple elbows and some street fittings. Can't hurt... Signature-Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net > I heard an out of note > gonkulator and possibly a bad muffler bearing (though I can't be quite sure [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > are often easily addressed with a couple simple elbows and some street > fittings. Can't hurt... Make sure you use plenty of elbow grease on those elbow fittings or you'll regret it later. Sounds like the blinker fluid needs topping off, too. On Jul 21, 8:15 pm, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@windstream.net> wrote: > I know. I guess I'm just frustrated. The guy was at Carquest or > something [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > That's funny. Carquest or something like that. You cant' hook anyone here > with that one. Not even good bait. So I guess Carquest is too crappy a place, then? The owner of the shop looked at it. He was also a mechanic, and he said he What's this "bait" for? I'm not trying to "bait" anything with it, so if it sucks as bait, that's not a problem, as that's not its purpose. > I did hear something in the audio file > though, and I think you should look into it quickly. I heard an out of note > gonkulator and possibly a bad muffler bearing (though I can't be quite sure > of that...). I don't think a gonkulator actually exists. I think that's something you made up. I think you are pulling my leg. Nor do I think mufflers have bearings in them. I think that too is a HOAX. Are you saying you cannot hear anything that would be abnormal, or what? Again I think you are pulling my leg. I came here wanting real help, then I hear my recording is no good, and I tried to fix it up, and that didn't do it, and now I get this. <SNIP!> > On Jul 21, 8:15 pm, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@windstream.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > be > abnormal, or what? OK, maybe "HOAX" is a bit much. But yeah, I think you're just pulling my leg. > Again I think you are pulling my leg. I came here wanting real help, > then I hear my > recording is no good, and I tried to fix it up, and that didn't do it, > and now I get this. > > <SNIP!> On Jul 21, 9:15 pm, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@windstream.net> wrote: > I know. I guess I'm just frustrated. The guy was at Carquest or > something [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > -Mike- > mmarlowREM...@windstream.net I just don't recall where I took it to. Hmmm. > On Jul 21, 9:15 pm, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@windstream.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > I just don't recall where I took it to. Hmmm. That may sound strange, but it probably isn't. I think this car doesn't really belong to the OP. My guess is that he is a teenager with an internet connection (and maybe a learner's permit) and the car belongs to his parent(s). He is appears to be trying to be helpful. But one can only guess what the real story is. Maybe he really wants to help or maybe feels guilty because the noise started after he jumped the curb and ran over a garbage can. -jim > > On Jul 21, 9:15 pm, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@windstream.net> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Your theories are good ones. With his obvious aversion to the truth, I don't expect the OP to get (or deserve) much help. Toyota MDT in MO > > > On Jul 21, 9:15 pm, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@windstream.net> > > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > Your theories are good ones. With his obvious aversion to the truth, > I don't expect the OP to get (or deserve) much help. What is this "aversion to truth"? > > > > On Jul 21, 9:15 pm, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@windstream.net> > > > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Dear Waste Of Everyone's Time, What is this "I don't know where I took the car to have it diagnosed?" As I dislike using quotes inside of quotes, pretend that the word diagnosed is in quotes. Thanks, Toyota MDT in MO > > > > > On Jul 21, 9:15 pm, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@windstream.net> > > > > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > diagnosed?" As I dislike using quotes inside of quotes, pretend that > the word diagnosed is in quotes. I already said that we took it to Carquest, which apparently is not a good shop I've been told. So no wonder they said they didn't know... ??? > > On Jul 21, 9:15 pm, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@windstream.net> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > belong to the OP. My guess is that he is a teenager with an internet connection > (and maybe a learner's permit) and the car belongs to his parent(s). Actually your guess is mostly correct. Like I said, it's a family car, so yeah, it's not _my_ car. > He is > appears to be trying to be helpful. But one can only guess what the real story > is. Maybe he really wants to help or maybe feels guilty because the noise > started after he jumped the curb and ran over a garbage can. The real story is that when we got the car, it had the noise to begin with. It was used and not from a dealer. And no, I didn't wreck the car. The real story is that when we got the car, it had the noise to begin with. It was used and not from a dealer. And no, I didn't wreck the car. ****************************************************************************************** Mike - I'm going to take one parting shot at making sense to you, before dismissing this thread entirely. I'm sure you are noble in your pursuit, but you fail to understand a few critical points. For one - you've been told that no one can hear what you are saying is a concerning sound. At this point - it does not matter if you do more audio magic, or not - the internet is not the right forum for that kind of diagnostic approach. There are technical reasons why your "cleaning" up a file, only serves to your disadvantage, and you need to come to grips with that. Since no one yet has been able to help out with your audio representation of the problem - you don't have a choice... take the car to a real mechanic. Not Carquest or any other cheap alternative to a real mechanic. You get what you pay for in this world Mike and you found that out the hard way at Carquest. I highly doubt the guy at Carquest was a mechanic. He'd have told you much more than what you've relayed here, if he was. The guys that work in these places are more often than not, fully UNqualified to work on cars in any way. They are parts clerks and damned poor ones at that, most of the time. Get the car to any reputable mechanic, and embrace the fact that you'll have to pay to get it diagnosed and/or fixed. A forum like this can be helpful in guiding you through the repair aspects of a problem, but even at that - it's a long distince thing. No one can tell you everything you'll need to know to fix this. If you're not experienced at fixing cars, then you can't just turn to the internet for instant answers. You might just have to learn a bit about cars before you can realize your amition of helping the family out. I think your ambition is noble but Mike - you can't just turn to the internet and get an instant, cheap, miraculous fix to a problem that can't even be properly described or represented. Signature-Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net On Jul 22, 10:32 pm, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@windstream.net> wrote: > The real story is that when we got the car, it had the noise to begin > with. It was used [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > are technical reasons why your "cleaning" up a file, only serves to your > disadvantage, and you need to come to grips with that. Yes, it could also remove some of the sound's information, distorting it. This was just a last ditch effort to salvage the recording. It apparently didn't work. Oh well. > Since no one yet has > been able to help out with your audio representation of the problem - you > don't have a choice... take the car to a real mechanic. Not Carquest or any > other cheap alternative to a real mechanic. You get what you pay for in > this world Mike and you found that out the hard way at Carquest. Well _I_ wasn't the one who took it there, remember, as it isn't _my_ car? > I highly doubt the guy at Carquest was a mechanic. He'd have told you much > more than what you've relayed here, if he was. The guys that work in these > places are more often than not, fully UNqualified to work on cars in any > way. They are parts clerks and damned poor ones at that, most of the time. > Get the car to any reputable mechanic, and embrace the fact that you'll have > to pay to get it diagnosed and/or fixed. Well, OK, then we can write off Carquest... > A forum like this can be helpful in guiding you through the repair aspects > of a problem, but even at that - it's a long distince thing. No one can [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > cheap, miraculous fix to a problem that can't even be properly described or > represented. Well I wasn't expecting an "instant" and "miraculous" fix, but at least some *clues* as to what might be causing the noise. And I guess I'm also a little pissed off that the recording was so poor, too. Where could I learn more about cars, though, with an eye toward the stuff that might give clues to problems like these? > On Jul 22, 10:32 pm, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@windstream.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > apparently > didn't work. Oh well. (addendum) I.e. I've now pretty much written off the recording. I guess I thought I could point out the concerning sound, but I've given that up now as obviously that is not possible over the internets. So I was already coming around to these points after my final post about listening for the sound, and once again it failing to be heard. I tried and tried, but the internets are fundamentally limited, and so it is impossible to point such things out via the internet. > > Since no one yet has > > been able to help out with your audio representation of the problem - you [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > stuff that > might give clues to problems like these? > > On Jul 22, 10:32 pm, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@windstream.net> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > things out via the > internet. So please don't leave just _yet_, as you _are_ making sense to me, especially now, and I've still got one more question below and an answer to one of your questions: > > > Since no one yet has > > > been able to help out with your audio representation of the problem - you [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Well _I_ wasn't the one who took it there, remember, as it isn't _my_ > > car? answer to your Q > > > I highly doubt the guy at Carquest was a mechanic. He'd have told you much > > > more than what you've relayed here, if he was. The guys that work in these [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > stuff that > > might give clues to problems like these? Final question > > Where could I learn more about cars, though, with an eye toward the > > stuff that > > might give clues to problems like these? > Final question Most of us got our start hanging out with mechanics and car guys, when we were younger. We worked on our own cars and made every mistake in the book - or most every one. We simply do not admit to those mistakes any longer... Take your car to a smaller garage - one with a good reputation. The bench rate will be expensive, but usually lower than dealerships and larger garages. A smaller shop is more likely to let you hang with the mechanic while he looks at the car, and you can explain to him that you're trying to learn a bit. If he's a decent Joe, he'll explain some things to you as he works. Forums like this are good places to learn, but topics are scattered and not organized into any coherent flow. You just kind of pick up general knowledge to put into your hip pocket most of the time. That all by itself is quite useful, but it also requires you have some idea how automobile systems work in the first place, in order for it to be very meaningful. There's lots of forums out there, so lurk around in many. Signature-Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net On Jul 23, 7:59 am, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@windstream.net> wrote: > > > Where could I learn more about cars, though, with an eye toward the > > > stuff that [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > systems work in the first place, in order for it to be very meaningful. > There's lots of forums out there, so lurk around in many. Thank you for the answer. Would it also be expensive just to diagnose the problem, i.e. just to have them listen to the noise? How much would it cost? > Would it also be expensive just to diagnose the problem, i.e. just to > have them > listen to the noise? How much would it cost? How long is a piece of string? > > Would it also be expensive just to diagnose the problem, i.e. just to > > have them > > listen to the noise? How much would it cost? > > How long is a piece of string? You need to dip it in milk and then wring it out and measure the amount of milk you get. The amount of milk you get will be proportional to the length of the string. -jim >> > Would it also be expensive just to diagnose the problem, i.e. just to >> > have them [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > -jim Whole milk, or skimmed milk? Cup, or bowl? Signature-Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net Thank you for the answer. Would it also be expensive just to diagnose the problem, i.e. just to have them listen to the noise? How much would it cost? ********************************************************************************************************************** It may not cost anything for a diagnosis. If you can find a good, local garage, and explain that you need an estimate for repairs, you'll probably get the diagnosis for free. The repair may be well worth paying for, depending on what the diagnosis turns out to be. Signature-Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net Mike 3, Why not give up on this newsgroup? You said the noise was there when you or your family bought the car. Why did you not have it checked out then? It seems you are looking for a pen pal and have hooked up with a number of us here on the hyundai forum. You can ask your questions on http://www.hyundai-forums.com/ and find a lot more pen pals. Or, would you rather one of us do that for you? Jim > Thank you for the answer. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > get the diagnosis for free. The repair may be well worth paying for, > depending on what the diagnosis turns out to be. On Jul 23, 3:18 pm, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@windstream.net> wrote: > Thank you for the answer. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > get the diagnosis for free. The repair may be well worth paying for, > depending on what the diagnosis turns out to be. Thanks for the answer. I might ask and see what happens, if there's a "good" garage around here. On Jul 23, 3:18 pm, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@windstream.net> wrote: > "mike3" <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > get the diagnosis for free. The repair may be well worth paying for, > depending on what the diagnosis turns out to be. Thanks for the answer. I might ask and see what happens, if there's a "good" garage around here. **************************************************************************************************************** Assuredly there is. You've got to get off the dime and get your vehicle to someone to look at. The longer you procrastinate, the longer you live with your mysterious sound. Signature-Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net > Well, OK, then we can write off Carquest... I'm late to this party and have little to offer beyond what's been said, but I figure I can explain why you're receiving so much grief over this. Carquest is a place that sells parts. No one is employed by Carquest as a mechanic, and they do not run a shop. Indeed, you'll need someone who knows about cars and is capable of working on them in order to solve your problem. Mike - you may think that you have isolated and cleaned up the file but you, and you alone, are the only one to know what to listen to specifically. If you have taken the car to your local Hyundai dealer and they have not been able to isolate the cause then I don't know how you can expect to have someone else who is not even present diagnose a sound. You are driving an 8+ year old car that was initially a "lower priced" model, if the car is giving you no other problems be happy and keep driving it until the "noise" becomes more defined and someone who is qualified can then tell you what is going on. >>> I tried to clean up that recording that I made of the sound the >>> Hyundai car was giving off (see my last thread): [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > the car > shop and he was mystified too! > Mike - you may think that you have isolated and cleaned up the file but > you, and you alone, are the only one to know what to listen to > specifically. So the "rattling" or "clicking" isn't good enough, then? You can't hear anything in there that sounds like that at all? If so then I'm going to give up on this particular recording. > If you have taken the car to your local Hyundai dealer > and they have not been able to isolate the cause then I don't know how > you can expect to have someone else who is not even present diagnose a > sound. There isn't exactly a "local" Hyundai dealer around here. We didn't even get this car from a dealer, we got it from a girl in town for cheap. > You are driving an 8+ year old car that was initially a "lower > priced" model, if the car is giving you no other problems be happy and > keep driving it until the "noise" becomes more defined and someone who > is qualified can then tell you what is going on. Other than the noise, there aren't any problems. > How _can_ I diagnose this problem? We took the car to a mechanic at > the car > shop and he was mystified too! So what does that mean? Does it mean he heard the noise but couldn't figure out where it was coming from? Or doers it mean he couldn't hear any noise that was out of the ordinary? Or does it mean he spoke a foreign language and couldn't understand anything you said? > Hi. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Can you hear it better now? I couldn't hear anything that sounded like a clicking or creaking (your description). I would guess your noise is something from the exhaust system. Either a leak or something vibrating like a heat shield. Just a wild guess based on what sort of noise would not record well. -jim |
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