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2001 Trooper burns oil

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Gemini Jackson - 02 Nov 2005 18:14 GMT
It has about 120K miles on it.  Slick 50 seems to help a bit.  With
that exception, it runs great.  I assume I'll go through about 2
quarts between oil changes.  Is it usually the rings that are the
cause of this?
~GJ~
Ray Laughton - 02 Nov 2005 21:58 GMT
> It has about 120K miles on it.  Slick 50 seems to help a bit.  With
> that exception, it runs great.  I assume I'll go through about 2
> quarts between oil changes.  Is it usually the rings that are the
> cause of this?
No, the brand...   :-/
How often do you change your oil?
RL
Gemini Jackson - 02 Nov 2005 22:24 GMT
>> It has about 120K miles on it.  Slick 50 seems to help a bit.  With
>> that exception, it runs great.  I assume I'll go through about 2
>> quarts between oil changes.  Is it usually the rings that are the
>> cause of this?
>No, the brand...   :-/

You mean 'Isuzu'?

>How often do you change your oil?

3000 religiously.

>RL
~GJ~
Ray Laughton - 03 Nov 2005 00:25 GMT
> >> It has about 120K miles on it.  Slick 50 seems to help a bit.  With
> >> that exception, it runs great.  I assume I'll go through about 2
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>
> You mean 'Isuzu'?
Yes

> >How often do you change your oil?
>
> 3000 religiously.
then 2 quarts is too much
I have mine done once a year (7-8000) and I use <1 quart, unless the
workshop slips up and puts in synthetics (as recommended by Isuzu!) then
I use more..
RL
Michael - 03 Nov 2005 00:50 GMT
> > >> It has about 120K miles on it.  Slick 50 seems to help a bit.  With
> > >> that exception, it runs great.  I assume I'll go through about 2
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> I use more..
> RL

1999 Trooper, 70,000m, uses 1 quart every other tank of gas.  has for about 3 years.  Runs great.  No smoke coming out the back.  Changed the plugs at 60,000 and they were not overly dirty or fouled.  Not worried about it.
Gemini Jackson - 03 Nov 2005 04:42 GMT
>> > >> It has about 120K miles on it.  Slick 50 seems to help a bit.  With
>> > >> that exception, it runs great.  I assume I'll go through about 2
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>> workshop slips up and puts in synthetics (as recommended by Isuzu!) then
>> I use more..

You change your oil once a year, and only put 8000 miles on it?  I put
on 77K last year.

>> RL
>
>1999 Trooper, 70,000m, uses 1 quart every other tank of gas.  has for about 3 years.  Runs great.  
>No smoke coming out the back.  Changed the plugs at 60,000 and they were not overly dirty or fouled.  Not worried about it.

That may be the route I'm forced to take.  Sure seems like those 3.5
engines are pricey, why is that?
~GJ~
Ray Laughton - 03 Nov 2005 22:01 GMT
> >> > >> It has about 120K miles on it.  Slick 50 seems to help a bit.  With
> >> > >> that exception, it runs great.  I assume I'll go through about 2
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> You change your oil once a year, and only put 8000 miles on it?  I put
> on 77K last year.
Thats why I only need one service/year...
75K km on 1999 SWB Trooper, 3.0L 159hp diesel.

RL
Gemini Jackson - 04 Nov 2005 01:08 GMT
>> >> > >> It has about 120K miles on it.  Slick 50 seems to help a bit.  With
>> >> > >> that exception, it runs great.  I assume I'll go through about 2
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>
>RL

Ah.  I see now.  Would it help me burn less if I used a thicker oil
than 10w30?  Say 20w50?  
~GJ~
Peter - 04 Nov 2005 09:02 GMT
>>> >> I have mine done once a year (7-8000) and I use <1 quart, unless the
>>> >> workshop slips up and puts in synthetics (as recommended by Isuzu!)
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>>Thats why I only need one service/year...
>>75K km on 1999 SWB Trooper, 3.0L 159hp diesel.

> Ah.  I see now.  Would it help me burn less if I used a thicker oil
> than 10w30?  Say 20w50?

Some people have reported decreased oil usage with thicker and/or synth oil.
Personally, I've tried them all with absolutely no change in oil
consumption. I do not even change my oil anymore, just the filter...

Peter
Ray Laughton - 04 Nov 2005 18:53 GMT
> >> >> > >> It has about 120K miles on it.  Slick 50 seems to help a bit.  With
> >> >> > >> that exception, it runs great.  I assume I'll go through about 2
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> Ah.  I see now.  Would it help me burn less if I used a thicker oil
> than 10w30?  Say 20w50?  

Yes, thats been my experience. Even the el-cheapo 10W40. But I still
dont like the idea of not using Isuzu-recommended oils. Especially in
the common rail diesel, in severe winters..

ray
Joe Isuzu - 04 Nov 2005 01:31 GMT
> 75K km on 1999 SWB Trooper, 3.0L 159hp diesel.

I have just 66K miles on a 1993 Trooper LS 3.2L benzine, all original miles by me
Ray Laughton - 04 Nov 2005 18:45 GMT
> > 75K km on 1999 SWB Trooper, 3.0L 159hp diesel.
>
> I have just 66K miles on a 1993 Trooper LS 3.2L benzine, all original
> miles by me

Wow, 5-6K/year - one of those Sunday drivers that piss us all off!?  :-/
I bought mine new too..

ray
Peter - 03 Nov 2005 09:36 GMT
> 1999 Trooper, 70,000m, uses 1 quart every other tank of gas.  has for
> about 3 years.  Runs great.  No smoke coming out the back.  Changed the
> plugs at 60,000 and they were not overly dirty or fouled.  Not worried
> about it.

The same here, 98 Trooper, 135K miles. Runs great and needs very little
service apart from oil top-ups

Peter
Gemini Jackson - 03 Nov 2005 14:13 GMT
>> 1999 Trooper, 70,000m, uses 1 quart every other tank of gas.  has for
>> about 3 years.  Runs great.  No smoke coming out the back.  Changed the
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>
>Peter

Gives me hope, I does.
~GJ~
GreenGas - 05 Nov 2005 03:41 GMT
>>> 1999 Trooper, 70,000m, uses 1 quart every other tank of gas.  has for
>>> about 3 years.  Runs great.  No smoke coming out the back.  Changed the
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Gives me hope, I does.
> ~GJ~

Gemini, If the previous posters do not have a 3.5L GASOLINE engine, then you
are comparing apples to comets.... the diesel engines are very, very
different than our 3.5 L oilburners. I have a 98 Trooper w/ 80K miles on the
clock and get about 1500 miles to the quart around town and on the highway,
at speed, much less. Towing my small trailer, I got 300 miles to the quart
on a long tow from Seattle to Northwest Florida. Simply put, the engines are
built wrong.... Isuzu has admitted that and later models have been changed
to correct the ring problems. Then, of course, they stopped making them
altogether... at least for sale here in the US. If Isuzu had marketed their
3.1 diesel version such as one of the previous posters has here in the
States, I think they'd have done very well.

As others have posted, burning oil is simply a fact of life with these
things. I have tried all different grades, and brands. The best advice is
one by the poster who said he simply changes his filter - I do the same
thing. If it were possible to swap out this 3.5 for 4.3 Chevy engine, I'd do
it tomorrow.

Keep a close eye on your oil and drive it.
r/
SPR
Joe D - 05 Nov 2005 05:21 GMT
<Simply put, the engines are
built wrong.... Isuzu has admitted that and later models have been changed
to correct the ring problems.>

When, exactly, did Isuzu Motors admit there was an oil consumption condition
and that their engines 'are built wrong'?

Joe D

>>>> 1999 Trooper, 70,000m, uses 1 quart every other tank of gas.  has for
>>>> about 3 years.  Runs great.  No smoke coming out the back.  Changed the
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> r/
> SPR
Ernie - 05 Nov 2005 19:46 GMT
"Just throwing my oil-ring into this fire".

I have always owned at least one Isuzu trooper since 1984 sometimes several
have been in my driveway. Today I own a new 2005 Ascender 4.2L  (GM 291
horse pwr version)  uses absolutely no oil ever. I use Mobil One Syn and
change it typcially every 7500 miles with the best Purolator filter.  Mobil
says that I can run it to 15,000 miles.  I have never been that daring to
keep it in the crankcase to 15k.  Does anyone here know if  driving it for
15k is possible or adviseable?

Also I have a 1990 Trooper with the gas  2.6L fuel injected model with 166k
miles and has never shown oil loss below the dipstick full mark.  I use a
high grade of 10W40 and very inexpensive from Advance Auto Stores

I recently sold my 1996 Trooper 3.2L gasser that routinely consumed 1 quart
approximately every 750 miles.  But this 96 really ran super.  I hated to
get rid of it and miss it alot.  Maybe that 3.2 eng craved the adding of oil
that would therefore reward me by running so well if I gave in to it's
drinking habit, LOL!.  I bought it new and did all the maint intervals to
the letter.  If it had not been for the oil useage I believe that I would
not have traded it in to the Ascender.   But now that we drive the Ascender
both my wife and I agree that it is the finest car, truck, SUV that we have
ever had the pleasure of driving/owning.

I just cannot get the Isuzu bug out of my system.  "In for a dollar - In for
a hundred"

Ernie -  Fort Bragg, North Carolina, USA

> <Simply put, the engines are
> built wrong.... Isuzu has admitted that and later models have been changed
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
>> r/
>> SPR
miles - 05 Nov 2005 23:54 GMT
Synthetic oil doesn't break down from heat as easily but it does get
just as dirty.  I still change mine every 3-5K.  It's not that
expensive.  If when you change your oil, it's dirty then it was too late.

I sold my 1999 Amigo 4x4 3.2L with 50K on it.  Ran perfect, never any
problems but it did burn about 1qt/1000 miles.  I needed a larger
vehicle that could pull my 5,000lb trailer.  I looked at the Ascender
and it looked nice.  I've had bad luck with GM products and the Ascender
is really just a Trailblazer with some nice cosmetic changes.  Because I
tow I opted for the new Durango with a slightly longer wheelbase and
live rear axle.  Also paid 23K for a new 4x4 5.7L.  I could not have
gotten similarly equipped 7 seat Ascender for that price (not here
anyways).  The other BIG reason was that almost all Isuzu dealers have
closed up.  What remains are a few scattered very small dealerships that
have questionable records.

> "Just throwing my oil-ring into this fire".
>
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>
> Ernie -  Fort Bragg, North Carolina, USA
GreenGas - 06 Nov 2005 02:27 GMT
> <Simply put, the engines are
> built wrong.... Isuzu has admitted that and later models have been changed
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Joe D

Joe, I misspoke when I said that and I was wrong. I had read anecdotal posts
from several people that said exactly that, but as an owner, they have never
officially admitted that they have an oil consumption problem or that their
engines are built wrong to me in some or any kind of  formal communication.
So, if your question is in Isuzu's admission of guilt of their engines being
built wrong and having excessive oil consumption, I stand corrected.

However, I will say unequivocally, as an engineer and a mechanic, that there
is a fundamental flaw in either the construction or design of the 3.5L
engines in that the oil use is excessive, more than I or anyone I've ever
done work for would tolerate. 300 miles to the quart is simply unacceptable.
The dealer in Colorado Springs, CO was the one who alerted me to the problem
of them being "thirsty" at highway speeds - I didn't mind the 1 quart every
1500 miles, but when I had to put a quart in every 2nd gas fill, then I
confirmed that there's a serious problem here. And I change my oil
regularly, with a high grade, multi-vis oil.

So, do you agree that the 98-01/02 3.5L engines have a problem and that they
were changed (In 2002, I believe... may have been 2001) to correct that
problem?
And if you don't, then why do they consume so much oil?

Steve
Gemini Jackson - 07 Nov 2005 13:19 GMT
>> Gives me hope, It does.
>> ~GJ~
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>r/
>SPR

I'm up to about a quart every 600 miles (every other gas-up).  I can
live with it, but as I'm not a mechanic I have to wonder if the oil
that's burned cakes up the engine in any way.  Or can these things run
forever if we just keep it above the oil fill line?
~GJ~
Allnews - 07 Nov 2005 22:55 GMT
Try using 15W40 oil (that's what Isuzu dealer recommends I use)

>>> Gives me hope, It does.
>>> ~GJ~
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> forever if we just keep it above the oil fill line?
> ~GJ~
Grumbler - 10 Nov 2005 20:01 GMT
> Try using 15W40 oil (that's what Isuzu dealer recommends I use)

The service manager at my dealer recommended
Shell Rotella T 15W40 which is a diesel oil, but it
is ideal for gasoline engines as well.

My '97 Trooper S has 115K and goes through a
quart of oil at every other gas stop. That might be
why the EGR valve gets caked with carbon. ;^(

-=G
Gemini Jackson - 26 May 2006 03:02 GMT
>Try using 15W40 oil (that's what Isuzu dealer recommends I use)

For the 6 cyl gasoline engine?

>>>> Gives me hope, It does.
>>>> ~GJ~
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
>> forever if we just keep it above the oil fill line?
>> ~GJ~

~GJ~
GreenGas - 09 Nov 2005 02:56 GMT
>>> Gives me hope, It does.
>>> ~GJ~
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
> forever if we just keep it above the oil fill line?
> ~GJ~
I wondered the same thing, and finally realized that my catalytic converters
are plugged. I'm pretty sure that all that oil has caked up the matrix and I
need to do something drastic. I'm going to do a couple of things and I'll
report back on what the results were.
r/
Steve
johnin - 28 May 2006 21:03 GMT
2 quarts is very excessive oil consumption for 2001
if its consuming this much oil now it will just get wors
down the road if you leave it alone.

i would have it looked at by a reputable shop
before it becomes a problem come emission testing time

--
johnin
 
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