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Car Forum / Isuzu Cars / April 2006

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Un-doing a 88 Trooper II CrankShaft Bolt

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Chas O. Hall - 03 Nov 2005 04:29 GMT
This may sound strange...
Which way does the CrankShaft bolt that holds the Pulleys on UNDO, as
you look @ the engine from the front of the trooper. ?
1 3/4" breaker bar now broken.
1 3/4" extension bar broken.
1 3/4" rachet broken.
Man that's tight !

Thanks
a Trooper II
GreenGas - 05 Nov 2005 03:46 GMT
Use an air impact gun. Set it for max torque. Turn on your compressor and
let it build up to full and shut off, and set your line pressure gauge at
150 psi. Use an impact socket, not a regular socket. Do not use an
extension. If necessary, take out the radiator to get more room. The bolt
turns out counterclockwise, looking from the front of the engine. Put in a
set of foam earplugs. Hold the impact gun tightly, make sure it's set to
turn counterclockwise, and let it hammer... and hammer, and hammer away,
until your compressor kicks in... then do it again, and again, and again....
it will come off.
Been there, done that. Trust me, it works.
r/
SPR

> This may sound strange...
> Which way does the CrankShaft bolt that holds the Pulleys on UNDO, as
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> Thanks
> a Trooper II
Thomas Hall - 08 Nov 2005 08:41 GMT
Thanks for the reply.
Unfortunatly I do not have access to a air gun ):
I will try my Impact Driver with the rght adapter on it.Just not to sure
how well the breaker bar will stay in were the starter was.
All I need to do is check that the work done preveously have the crank
and cam shafts lined up corectly...
Three times now the Head has blown... Two NeW Heads and this one has
less than 500Kms on it. Just replaced the water pump only tohave the
pump be faulty with the wrong impelar and lookslike the head gasket
betwen 2+3 has gone. So far all the bolts I have had to undo for the
work done by 4 other mechanics has been loose (less than 5lbs)
Just at the intake common and head point.Ready to take then all off in
one piece as my manual tells me.
Do you recall where the CamShaft Sprocket should be with Cyc 1 @ TDC ?
I have 1 @ TDC and the Rotor Pointing to #1 on Dist But the Notch on the
CamShaft is 180 from the mark on the Head(Pointing Down) is this correct
! Did I miss something in the manual ?!

Regards..

Slowly becoming a Trooper II Expert.
GreenGas - 09 Nov 2005 02:53 GMT
Thomas, see my comments in your text...

> Thanks for the reply.
> Unfortunatly I do not have access to a air gun ):
Is it possible for you to rent one? I see them all the time in second-hand
stores - just recently, I saw a very good Craftsman (Sears) model for $25.
If not, can you borrow one from a friend?

> I will try my Impact Driver with the rght adapter on it.Just not to sure
> how well the breaker bar will stay in were the starter was.
I don't think that will work as well as this.... try reinstalling the
starter, then using a very very stout breaker bar with a very good socket on
it, hold the breaker bar against the frame, with the socket completely
covering the balancer bolt head. Then have your wife/girlfriend/helper turn
the key on and crank the engine ever so gently. As long as you haven't
disassembled the timing belt (which I don't think you have), you should be
ok. The goal is to use the starter to provide the turning force, whilst the
breaker bar does the work of turning the bolt. I've done that before and
it's worked. However, the air impact is the way to go, if you can.
> All I need to do is check that the work done preveously have the crank
> and cam shafts lined up corectly...
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> betwen 2+3 has gone. So far all the bolts I have had to undo for the
> work done by 4 other mechanics has been loose (less than 5lbs)
Sad but true. You are your own best QA....

> Just at the intake common and head point.Ready to take then all off in
> one piece as my manual tells me.
> Do you recall where the CamShaft Sprocket should be with Cyc 1 @ TDC ?
> I have 1 @ TDC and the Rotor Pointing to #1 on Dist But the Notch on the
> CamShaft is 180 from the mark on the Head(Pointing Down) is this correct
> ! Did I miss something in the manual ?!
I distinctly remember the mark on the camshaft has to be pointing at the
mark on the sheetmetal pointer, and the mark on the crank has to be pointing
at it's index mark. If you are 180 out on the cam, then rotate the crank
another turn. Remember, the crank turns 2 times for every one camshaft
rotation, so if you're 180 out, then the crank needs to go around again. If
I remember right, the distributer is driven off the camshaft... so it is
matched to the cam.

> Regards..
>
> Slowly becoming a Trooper II Expert.

I hope this helps. If need be, I'll go dig out my old Haynes manual for
you... let me know.
r/
Steve
Ed Mc - 20 Nov 2005 03:26 GMT
Thomas, Isuzu sets the initial alignment with #4 cyl on TDC compression
stroke, not #1, thus the confusion.  If you rotate the crank 180 deg
you should find proper alignment.  Note that at this point the dist.
rotor will be pointing at the #4 spark plug wire's contact in the dist.
cap.

Regarding your crank bolt, I've used the breaker-bar-on-the-frame trick
many times and it's always busted the bolt right loose.  As you're
looking at the engine, the breaker bar would be over to the right,  or
driver's side, resting solidly on the frame.  You can also put a block
of wood between the bar and frame if you want to cushion it.  All you
have to do is 'bump' the key and it should bust that bolt right loose.

When you're doing the gasket replacement, check block/head for
straightness as a warped surface will cause problems.  Check for proper
placement of the dowel 'split' pins, one in front and one in back of
the block.  These locate the head and it'll jump around on the block if
they're not in place.  Given the 'high quality' repairs done to your
rig so far, it's certainly possible they left them out!

Chase out the head bolt holes in the block with a 12MMx1.50 tap,
this'll give consistent torques on the head bolts.  Holes full of crud
may not even tighten down fully and can cause a blown gasket.

Do use an Isuzu head gasket, not aftermarket, which are more prone to
blowing than the factory item.  www.stcharlesauto.com is a good source
of new parts, as is Isuzu Guru Jerry Lemond in Dacula, Georgia.  Jerry
was a factory rep and knows these critters inside and out!   Great guy
to deal with, too.   jlemond@bellsouth.net

Re-torque the head after 500 and 1000 miles, then do it with every
valve adjustment (10,000 mile intervals).  You'll have to do the KM
conversion, my brain ain't up to it tonite!!!

BTW there are several very active Isuzu groups on the 'net and you can
search past posts for more detailed answers to your difficulties:

http://www.4x4wire.com/forums/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=UBB68

http://forum.planetisuzoo.com/viewforum.php?f=1&sid=a223883c8feb4bb10b25d641f8cf703d

HTH............ed
'90 Trooper LS 3.4
'89 Spacecab 4X4 2.6
'89 Trooper RS 2.6
'89 Trooper LS 3.1
Chas O. Hall - 06 Apr 2006 11:54 GMT
>Thomas, Isuzu sets the initial alignment with #4 cyl on TDC compression
>stroke, not #1, thus the confusion.  If you rotate the crank 180 deg
>you should find proper alignment.  Note that at this point the dist.
>rotor will be pointing at the #4 spark plug wire's contact in the dist.
>cap.

Very Sorry about taking so long to get back to you Ed,
Have had health issues with family members so the trooper has been on
hold. Back to it this week.

Distributor Rotor is pointing to position #1 with the crankshaft pulley
mark @TDC 0 when i pulled the head off. I will check alignment when i
get the head back on.

>Regarding your crank bolt, I've used the breaker-bar-on-the-frame trick
>many times and it's always busted the bolt right loose.  As you're
>looking at the engine, the breaker bar would be over to the right,  or
>driver's side, resting solidly on the frame.  You can also put a block
>of wood between the bar and frame if you want to cushion it.  All you
>have to do is 'bump' the key and it should bust that bolt right loose.

I have given up on this side of the repair. I wanted to just see if
every thing is lined up correctly, but if figure if I can not get that
bolt off then the odds are it has not been messed with.

>When you're doing the gasket replacement, check block/head for
>straightness as a warped surface will cause problems.  Check for proper
>placement of the dowel 'split' pins, one in front and one in back of
>the block.  These locate the head and it'll jump around on the block if
>they're not in place.  Given the 'high quality' repairs done to your
>rig so far, it's certainly possible they left them out!

I have seen the two dowel pins still in the head, so they are there (:
This is a new head with less than 5k on it.

>Chase out the head bolt holes in the block with a 12MMx1.50 tap,
>this'll give consistent torques on the head bolts.  Holes full of crud
>may not even tighten down fully and can cause a blown gasket.

I will have a close look and see how they look before the head goes on,
picked up a tap and die set in anticipation of needing to do such a
thing. !

>Do use an Isuzu head gasket, not aftermarket, which are more prone to
>blowing than the factory item.  www.stcharlesauto.com is a good source
>of new parts, as is Isuzu Guru Jerry Lemond in Dacula, Georgia.  Jerry
>was a factory rep and knows these critters inside and out!   Great guy
>to deal with, too.   jlemond@bellsouth.net

This has become a ISSUE. I have a new headgasket from FEL-PRO that says
its for; Honda Truck 4, 2.6l(4ze1) Eng. 1994-1997
        Isuzu Truck 4, 2.6l(4ze1) Eng. 2559cc 1988-1997
Replaces No. 8-94174279-0

I had orderd and picked this up before i had taken the head off.
Now when i got the head off i noticed that there was (three) more oil
feeds on the gasket that came off the trooper than the NEW one.
Back to the supplier i go with the OLD and NEW gasket in tow.
I was told and shown by the parts person that the NEW one IS the right
one. This makes me very concerned. My BLOCK has the THREE oil feeds, my
HEAD has the THREE oil feeds, the Blown HEAD GASKET HAS the THREE oil
feeds. So i drilled out the MISSING  three oil feeds on the NEW gasket.
Now i do a search of Isuzu parts on the net for the HEAD GASKET cause i
am concerned with whats going on here. I find lot's of head gaskets for
the trooper all with the THREE oil feeds MISSSING !
Another concern i have with the headgaskets; All the holes on the NEW
and OLD gasket are smaller than the holes on the BLOCK and HEAD, varying
from 1 or 2 mills to 12 mills in some places. When I removed the Blown
OLD head gasket i enlarged all the holes to match the holes on the BLOCK
and HEAD, WHY.....  I thinking is this... If the Holes are smaller;

1)This will raise the PRESSURE at that Point.
2)Fluids flowing through the smaller holes will over time remove
(disolve) the gasket until the hole is the right size. Contaminating the
OIL and Coolant with the Gasket Material.

Maybe i am just being picky or the head gaskets both OLD and NEW are the
WRONG ones. !

>Re-torque the head after 500 and 1000 miles, then do it with every
>valve adjustment (10,000 mile intervals).  You'll have to do the KM
>conversion, my brain ain't up to it tonite!!!

This is going to happen. Almost every Bolt I needed to undo to this
point has been lose, no more than a gentle pull or push with the wrench.

>BTW there are several very active Isuzu groups on the 'net and you can
>search past posts for more detailed answers to your difficulties:

Thanks again for all the help with the Trooper, I really do Appreciate
your time and effort.

Jim AKA Thomas
 
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