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Car Forum / Isuzu Cars / September 2007

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94 Trooper Problem - desperate

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Wesley - 31 Aug 2007 21:50 GMT
My dad's got a 1994 Isuzu Trooper with right at 100k miles on it.  They are
getting ready to head out of town (my wife & I are as well) to the beach in
about a week, towing a travel trailer.  Hence the urgency of the request if
anyone has any suggestions.  Here's the story...

About a month ago, they had gone on a weekend trip (towing the trailer), and
on the way back, started having problems with the Trooper not acting right.
He said when he began to press in on the accelerator after having let off
the gas, it would tend to jump and buck and not want to run right.  It did
it several times, but he was able to get home without any major problems.
He was thinking perhaps it had something to do with running gas that has
ethanol in it (I forget the %, but such as is common for normal vehicles to
be able to run).

After getting home and running it solo trying to reproduce the problem, he
found that when he would stomp the accelerator, it would downshift to 2nd
gear and then have very little power.  He was unable to get it to reproduce
the "bucking" problem.

He took it to their normal mechanic, and he immediately reproduced the
problem.  Apparently their computer reader won't read a vehicle as old as
his, so he shorted something out to get it to give a code readout, which
confirmed his suspicion that it needed a Throttle Position Sensor.  After a
week of fighting to get the part in and installed, it continued to have the
problem.  It has also had an occasional and intermittent "check engine"
light.  The machanic managed to catch it in the act, and diagnosed it as
needing a MAP sensor.  After its installation, the problem continues.  The
mechanic tells him that it is now acting like it is trying to flood itself.
Not sure if the other symptoms have changed...

Sounds like they are about at their wits end as to what the problem could
be.  The Isuzu dealership would be the next logical choice, but they screwed
him over once already.  (Bought the vehicle there, they put on a new head
gasket before it was sold...broke off some bolts holding on the exhaust
stuff to the engine and basically fixed it enough to get it off the
lot...then told him he had bought it "as is" and they wouldn't do anything
about it).  So...the Isuzu place isn't a welcome option.

Any thoughts on what might be going on?  The backup tow vehicle is a 93
Trooper, with over150k...so obviously he would rather take the one that is
now having problems...  :-)

Thanks in advance,

Wesley
GreenGas - 02 Sep 2007 04:35 GMT
> My dad's got a 1994 Isuzu Trooper with right at 100k miles on it.  They
> are
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> Wesley

Wesley, I'm sure you've already done this, but let's start.... my grandpa
always told me "Fix the obvious and let the rest of it take care care of
itself".....
You must have (tell me you did so) check all 6 plugs. W/ 100K on the clock,
if your dad is like mine, they probably have a LOT of miles on them. I'd
change them. That goes for plug wires, also, and it wouldn't hurt to look at
the distributer cap, if a 94 has one - I think it does. Look for a track or
evidence of shorting or moisture. If you find any at all, replace it and the
rotor. Again, if the 94's don't have a distributor (my 98 doesn't), then
ignore this.

Your next thing to check is the timing belt - with 100K on it, and probably
never having changed the timing belt, what you're describing could be a
timing belt that has jumped one tooth on the cam. The 94's have a Single
OHC, if I recall correctly, as opposed to my oilburning, gas-guzzling 3.5
piece of garbage engine in my 98, but I think if your tensioner wasn't
adjusted right or perhaps has reached the end of the travel then it could do
this. I don't know, but a quick check of the lineup of the gears should tell
you if it's all in time properly.

Since your parts-changing mechanic has already done the work for you on the
TPS and the MAP sensor, I wouldn't waste time there. The last thing I'd
check (no kidding) is the alternator - make sure it is putting out 14.5
volts, and you have a GOOD battery that you KNOW is good. DAMHIK. Been
there, done that. Car literally wouldn't run with a battery w/ one dead
cell, even after being jumped (on the hottest 4th of July I've ever been in
with a pregnant wife).

Last of all, I'd check for water in the gas. Try draining a little of the
tank and see what you get.

And that, my friend, should keep you busy for a while. Let us know what you
find on these and if you strike paydirt on any of them. Best of luck.
r/
Steve
Wesley - 06 Sep 2007 03:34 GMT
Steve,

Thanks for the tips.  Unfortunately, I'm not much of a mechanic...but I did
pass your email on to dad to pass the info to the mechanic working on it.

Thanks again!

Wesley

> Wesley, I'm sure you've already done this, but let's start.... my grandpa
> always told me "Fix the obvious and let the rest of it take care care of
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> Steve
Wesley - 06 Sep 2007 03:33 GMT
And the solution is........

O2 sensor.  Well...that plus the TPS sensor.  After the mechanic pulled the
O2 sensor out, it ran like a top.  So, they put a new one in it, and it
still ran great.  They pulled the MAP sensor out returned it, and tried to
do the same with the TPS, but apparently that was faulty too.  So...TPS + o2
sensor and it's fixed.  Sounds like they also replaced the spark plugs and
fuel filter, but at 100k, I'm sure they were both needed anyway.

Thanks,

Wesley

> My dad's got a 1994 Isuzu Trooper with right at 100k miles on it.  They are
> getting ready to head out of town (my wife & I are as well) to the beach in
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> Wesley
 
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