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Car Forum / Isuzu Cars / March 2004Trooper cold start problem - Please help
Hi, I have a Citation 3L TD 1999, and when is cold, I have to turn over the engine for ages, then it fires up and sometimes dies. When it starts, there is a mass of grey smoke. Starting from a warm engine is fine, without any problems and smoke. The car has done 50000 miles and I have had her from new. I have had it to the garage twice, but they cant find the problem. I know the engine management system only allows the engine to start when the oil pressure has built up, but the oil pressure appears fine. I have had a total of 5 Troopers and this is causing me major problems. Thanks in anticipation. Michael. > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > total of 5 Troopers and this is causing me major problems. Thanks in > anticipation. Michael. Don't know much about modern diesels, but I'd suspect failing glow plugs, or failing battery that can't provide the juice, or failing solenoid that increases resistance and drops voltage to glow plugs. --Kamus  Signatureo__ | If you're old, eat right and ride a decent bike. ,>/'_ | Q. (_)\(_) | Usenet posting` > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > total of 5 Troopers and this is causing me major problems. Thanks in > anticipation. Michael. Check your glows... or check that the injectors have had their seals/sleeve replaced..see some of the topic posts on the 4JX1 injectors in this group on google groups... > > Hi, > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > total of 5 Troopers and this is causing me major problems. Thanks in > > anticipation. Michael. > Check your glows... or check that the injectors have had their seals/sleeve > replaced..see some of the topic posts on the 4JX1 injectors in this group on > google groups... I have exactly the same starting problems which began this winter, topping up the half-empty battery with distilled water helped a bit. As I have just discovered, I have one of those dreaded VIN numbers. But why did the problems only start after 4.5 years/55000 km, and why in winter, no problems when its warm? BTW the black and grey coloured smoke that comes out the exhaust when it finally starts stinks terribly! Could it be due to using 10W-40 oil? Opel keeps using it despite Isuzu recommending 5W-30 or 10W-30. I top up with the recommended stuff. Signaturemadiba > > > Hi, > > > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > -- > madiba just a random guess off the top of my head.. since it's a seal problem with some seal materials and the solution is new seals of a different material. or new sleaves with entire new seals... so maybe when cold the seal rubber shrinks and doesn't seal... allowing oil into the fuel... or vice versa... but when warm it's expended and fills out into it's alloted slots and does the job... likewise it takes a few years for the seal to wear to the point the shrinkage affects it... > > > > Hi, > > > > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > the job... likewise it takes a few years for the seal to wear to the point > the shrinkage affects it... Sounds terrifyingly logical. Oh well off to the dealers with the problem, guess I shouldn't wait until the service is due in July. What sort of leverage do I have here, does Isuzu replace the sleeves free of charge? If not, I'll infer that they're to blame anyway because they used the wrong oil the last two years.. Signaturemadiba > > > > > Hi, > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > -- > madiba AFAIK the sleeves are part of a recall campaign... so I'd ring the Isuzu head office for the country and ask them about recall and repairs... > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I have exactly the same problem with mine same model, but 1998, the dealers have had it twice and said there is nothing wrong. another problem I have is when driving and the revs reach around 2500 a relay clicks on and off causing the 4wd light and the charge light to come on, I noticed the other night that the headlights flicker at the same time, this has been doing this for about 12 months and the dealers told me it was one of two relays which I replaced, but it wasn`t, ANY SGGESTIONS ??? I also had a 1998 model Citation Trooper, and you will find it was the charging relay that was "clicking", after it was replaced several times, and after Isuzu Technical Dept got involved, they decided that the wrong alternator was fitted on some of the first "new shape" Troopers. If you contact Isuzu by telephone and ask for "Isuzu Customer Service" 01215572112 and give them your registration number, they can check on their records to see if the repairs were carried out, and what other "Service Campaigns" need to be done. Hope this helps you Michael The oil grade is crutial in these engines. If you do not use the correct grade recommended by Isuzu, the engine is very difficult to start then cold due to the injectors not operating correctly - this is quite a common problem. > I also had a 1998 model Citation Trooper, and you will find it was the > charging relay that was "clicking", after it was replaced several times, and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Michael > The oil grade is crutial in these engines. If you do not use the > correct grade recommended by Isuzu, the engine is very difficult to [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > > > Michael Many Thanks all. |
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