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Car Forum / Isuzu Cars / December 2004Honda key blanks....
Where can I obtain a key blank (with the black rubber handle -- don't know the technical name) for my 1995 Honda Passport. Some site online wants like $80.00 to do an original key. Yeah, right!!! Aaron > Where can I obtain a key blank (with the black rubber handle -- don't know > the technical name) for my 1995 Honda Passport. Some site online wants like > $80.00 to do an original key. Yeah, right!!! > > Aaron Do not know where you are from but overhere (Europe) they duplicate keys at almost any local hardware store. Will cost around USD 5,- Kind regards, Erik-Jan.  Signaturehttp://www.fotograaf.com/trooper http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=794075081 1&category=40016&sspagename=WDVW > > Where can I obtain a key blank (with the black rubber handle -- don't know > > the technical name) for my 1995 Honda Passport. Some site online wants like [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > http://www.fotograaf.com/trooper >> Where can I obtain a key blank (with the black rubber handle -- don't >> know [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Kind regards, > Erik-Jan. Those expensive keys are called "transponder" keys. Some key shops can provide them, and $80 sounds a little high but maybe not, and can cut the key itself so you can open the door with it. But the car has to be programmed to accept the key as a valid electronic key when you use it to start the car. Don't know about late model Hondas, but with our 2002 Toyota (Prius) the procedure involves a dance that is guaranteed to make you feel foolish and to make bystanders point and stare: http://www.coastaletech.com/keys.htm. The Honda may require programming at the dealer - I dunno. It's the price of security against car thieves, at least the ones who don't use tow trucks. BTW - don't ever lose the last programmed key, so you don't have any. My understanding is that requires replacement of the security module, for many hundreds of dollars. Mike > (Prius) the procedure involves a dance that is guaranteed to make you feel > foolish and to make bystanders point and stare: > http://www.coastaletech.com/keys.htm. You gotta be kidding. That's pretty ridiculous, all right. >> (Prius) the procedure involves a dance that is guaranteed to make you >> feel foolish and to make bystanders point and stare: >> http://www.coastaletech.com/keys.htm. > > You gotta be kidding. That's pretty ridiculous, all right. All that's missing is the "May I?" question. "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in message news:KfqdnfuwD8M1213cRVn- <snip> | Those expensive keys are called "transponder" keys. Some key shops can | provide them, and $80 sounds a little high but maybe not, and can cut the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] | | Mike Nice 'feature'. > But the car has to be > programmed to accept the key as a valid electronic key when you use it to > start the car. Don't know about late model Hondas, but with our 2002 Toyota > (Prius) the procedure involves a dance that is guaranteed to make you feel > foolish and to make bystanders point and stare: > http://www.coastaletech.com/keys.htm. That's pretty much how the Hondas handle programming the system for new remote transmitters, but the keys are encoded by a special machine. Dealers have the machine; all it takes is one of your original keys. They can cut another one and have the transponder code transferred into the new key, no problem. With the Honda system, there's no issue of "too many keys for the system to keep track of". You can make as many keys as you like, since they're all duplicates, right down to the transponder encoding. >> But the car has to be >> programmed to accept the key as a valid electronic key when you use it to [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > to keep track of". You can make as many keys as you like, since they're > all duplicates, right down to the transponder encoding. Ah, so it is actually the key that is programmed. I like that idea better. Mike > > With the Honda system, there's no issue of "too many keys for the system > > to keep track of". You can make as many keys as you like, since they're > > all duplicates, right down to the transponder encoding. > > Ah, so it is actually the key that is programmed. I like that idea better. Yes. But the tradeoff is that you *must* pay someone to use the transponder duplicator to make your key a good one for the ignition. That jumps the price of the key to include the labor. But I'll take that over paying a bunch for an encoded key that I have to teach my car to listen to. Under that scenario, the car has a limit to how many keys it can work with. I think that's bad. I'll pay for the extra keys to have the privilege of unlimited copies. >> But the car has to be >> programmed to accept the key as a valid electronic key when you use [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > system to keep track of". You can make as many keys as you like, > since they're all duplicates, right down to the transponder encoding. I believe you can also get a new programmed key with the VIN from Honda. > I believe you can also get a new programmed key with the VIN from Honda. I've not heard that. I doubt it; for example, they can't give you the radio security code with just the VIN. That requires the radio serial number. I do believe that there may be some sort of serial number on the computer module that may be of use in getting another key blank. I do know that you can also replace the computer module, at great expense, and that will start you fresh with new keys and code. If you've had your keys stolen along with some sort of identifying papers, such that the thief could get to your van, people have replaced the computer module so that the stolen keys don't work. In rec.autos.makers.honda Elmo P. Shagnasty <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote: > I've not heard that. I doubt it; for example, they can't give you the > radio security code with just the VIN. That requires the radio serial > number. Your selling dealer keeps the radio code. It is associated with the VIN in case service has to be done, or so you can get it from them if you need it, and of course can't locate where you put it. I have no idea if the same is true for the keys. My new Ford Escape came with no radio key fobs. They magically made the ones they took from some other Ford Escape work for my car. --- Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8-122.5 > > I've not heard that. I doubt it; for example, they can't give you the > > radio security code with just the VIN. That requires the radio serial > > number. > > Your selling dealer keeps the radio code. MINE does--actually, the dealership doesn't, my salesman does. In a 3x5 file card box. Handwritten. That's just something he does for HIS customers. But I sincerely doubt that many dealerships, as policy, do this for their customers. Therefore, when you need the radio code and you've lost it, and you don't deal with the possible handful of dealership that do this, you're stuck with finding the code via the radio serial number. If you're lucky, you (or the original owner) stuck the radio serial number sticker in the glovebox or something, so you don't have to pull the radio to get it. >> I believe you can also get a new programmed key with the VIN from >> Honda. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > the thief could get to your van, people have replaced the computer > module so that the stolen keys don't work. The VIN is the serial number for the car, which should give them the correct information. I replaced a key for my Cherokee at the Chrysler dealer in this way. They have the transponder codes on file and can be programmed at the dealer without another key based on the VIN. I would have to think that if Chrysler can do it, Honda should also have similar capabilities. > Do not know where you are from but overhere (Europe) they duplicate keys > at almost any local hardware store. Will cost around USD 5,- > Kind regards, > Erik-Jan. Did not know there was any programming involved.... Sorry. Kind regards, Erik-Jan. > -- > > http://www.fotograaf.com/trooper > Where can I obtain a key blank (with the black rubber handle -- don't know > the technical name) for my 1995 Honda Passport. Some site online wants like > $80.00 to do an original key. Yeah, right!!! At a Honda Dealership. got one done 2 months ago at a Halifax Nova Scotia dealership.I got the key from e-bay for 15.00 and Honda programmed it for 14.00 taxes in. > > Where can I obtain a key blank (with the black rubber handle -- don't know > > the technical name) for my 1995 Honda Passport. Some site online wants > like > > $80.00 to do an original key. Yeah, right!!! > > At a Honda Dealership. > got one done 2 months ago at a Halifax Nova Scotia dealership.I got the key > from e-bay for 15.00 and Honda programmed it for 14.00 taxes in. That was a good deal. On 12/15/04 9:45 AM, in article f_Yvd.80303$6f6.19720@edtnps89, "slider" <daroy@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote: > got one done 2 months ago at a Halifax Nova Scotia dealership.I got the key > from e-bay for 15.00 and Honda programmed it for 14.00 taxes in. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >> At a Honda Dealership. I got spares for my '95 & '96 cars at Home Depot for $2. I don't know of any '95s that have the special expensive keys. That came a few years later. >> Where can I obtain a key blank (with the black rubber handle -- don't >> know [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > At a Honda Dealership. Thank you for the obvious answer. :) My nearest Honda dealership is about 150 miles away, round trip. I was hoping for something a little more "local", like the Internet, :). Aaron > Thank you for the obvious answer. :) > > My nearest Honda dealership is about 150 miles away, round trip. I was > hoping for something a little more "local", like the Internet, :). You said you didn't like the price on the Internet (that's how I read what you typed). Going to the dealership here was considerably less than the price you mentioned, that's why I suggested a dealership. I wasn't trying to come off as being sarcastic. Brian >> Thank you for the obvious answer. :) >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Brian I know that. I apologize. It would be amazing if we could read each other's minds and know that right off. This thread actually morphed off into a discussion about "special" digital keys or whatever. The $80.00 price I posted was not for these types of keys. It was for this particular outfit making an original of a key, one that I already have. In fact, I have two. I don't even NEED another key for this rig. I WANT one. One with the hard plastic at the top of it. I didn't really say anything about a digital key; yet the thread morphed into this. :) Ah, well. Aaron > I know that. I apologize. It would be amazing if we could read each > other's minds and know that right off. This thread actually morphed off [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I didn't really say anything about a digital key; yet the thread morphed > into this. :) Ah, well. Threads tend to take course changes all the time. > This thread actually morphed off into a discussion about "special" digital > keys or whatever. The $80.00 price I posted was not for these types of [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Aaron I take the blame for that. I saw the thing about the plastic head and jumped to the conclusion it was a transponder head instead of a comfort grip. D'oh! Mike >> This thread actually morphed off into a discussion about "special" >> digital keys or whatever. The $80.00 price I posted was not for these [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Mike We all got goot discussion out of it just the same. :) Aaron >> Where can I obtain a key blank (with the black rubber handle -- don't know >> the technical name) for my 1995 Honda Passport. Some site online wants >like >> $80.00 to do an original key. Yeah, right!!! > >At a Honda Dealership. Cost is about $10.00 US for an OEM-replica key blank. Take it to a good (i.e., bonded and certified) locksmith to get the key cut. That will cost about another $4.00 for each key. Don't take the blank to a UPS store or the corner hardware store. Those guys probably don't have the skills to cut keys correctly. Incorrect cutting could destroy your locks/ignition switch. Andy >>> Where can I obtain a key blank (with the black rubber handle -- don't >>> know [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Andy Which is why I wanted a blank. I have access to a key cutter; but I don't have the blank I want to cut in it. :) Aaron > Where can I obtain a key blank (with the black rubber handle -- don't know > the technical name) for my 1995 Honda Passport. Some site online wants like > $80.00 to do an original key. Yeah, right!!! > > Aaron --------------------- In 1995, Honda wasn't using immobilizer style ignition keys in the Odyssey, at least not in Canada. It started in Canada in '98 year for Odyssey. You can tell if there's a little 'key' icon showing on the speedo cluster during the 'lamp check' Otherwise, any duplicate key will start it. 'Curly' How about your local dealer? You can even try an Isuzu dealer. The price should be maybe $5 to $10. max. Howard > Where can I obtain a key blank (with the black rubber handle -- don't know > the technical name) for my 1995 Honda Passport. Some site online wants like > $80.00 to do an original key. Yeah, right!!! > > Aaron The Internet is more "local" than my dealership. But thanks. :) Aaron > How about your local dealer? You can even try an Isuzu dealer. The price > should be maybe $5 to $10. max. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >> Aaron "Where can I obtain a key blank (with the black rubber handle -- don't know the technical name) for my 1995 Honda Passport." Your 1995 Passport DOES NOT use an electronic transponder key. Any dealer (Honda or Isuzu) should be able to cut you a key for under $10. Your Honda dealer can do it by VIN number if you don't have a spare. "I believe you can also get a new programmed key with the VIN from Honda." You can not program a transponder key with a VIN number, but you can get a code to cut the key with a VIN. "I do believe that there may be some sort of serial number on the computer module that may be of use in getting another key blank." No, not correct. "Your selling dealer keeps the radio code. It is associated with the VIN in case service has to be done, or so you can get it from them if you need it," Only the smart dealers do that. There is no requirement for that, other than making life easier for themselves when working on your car, or providing a customer service. "In 1995, Honda wasn't using immobilizer style ignition keys in the Odyssey," Correct! Howard In rec.autos.makers.honda Howard <howardh@nospam-cybrstar.com> wrote: > "Your selling dealer keeps the radio code. It is associated with the VIN in > case service has to be done, or so you can get it from them if you need it," > Only the smart dealers do that. There is no requirement for that, other than > making life easier for themselves when working on your car, or providing a > customer service. I guess it must have been mentioned to me during the post sales, or I imagined it to be standard because of a "find answer" on the Honda web site. "If your Honda vehicle came equipped with an Anti-Theft radio, you should have an Anti-Theft Radio Access Card in your glove compartment. This card contains the access code and the serial number of the radio. If you do not have a card, contact your dealer for assistance." If the dealer didn't keep the code, he should feel silly when you ask for the code, based on this page. There is also a Honda Owners link that has my radio code. I don't recall if I entered the code there. It's different from the number that I have on a card attached to my original key. Maybe that one is a key code, and I've already managed to lose my radio code card. https://www.ahm-ownerlink.com/login.asp?brand=honda Signature--- Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8-122.5 > > Only the smart dealers do that. There is no requirement for that, other than > > making life easier for themselves when working on your car, or providing a [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > If the dealer didn't keep the code, he should feel silly when you ask for > the code, based on this page. Not really. "Ask your dealer for assistance" simply means he can pull the radio, get the radio's serial number, and get the radio security code from that. He doesn't keep the radio code at all. Only individual salesmen who choose to do so will write it down as a service to their customers. But with the rate of churn in the industry, that's rare. In fact, if you think about the rate of churn with dealership names changing left and right, you'd see how ridiculous it is to expect that the place you bought your car from is even in business a year later. > There is also a Honda Owners link that has my radio code. I don't recall > if I entered the code there. It's different from the number that I have on > a card attached to my original key. Maybe that one is a key code, and I've > already managed to lose my radio code card. Yes, the code on your key--a 4 digit one--is the key code. From that, Honda can duplicate the key. As for your radio code being in OwnerLink, I guarantee that you or someone in your family with access to OwnerLink put it in there. I put it in there for my Honda. It's a convenient place to park the code. Honda doesn't know the code from your VIN, not at all. In fact, consider: I had the radio replaced in my car, under warranty. The new radio comes with new stickers and a new card, and a completely different serial number. How--more importantly, why--would Honda know if I have the same radio that was installed at the factory? They don't, and they wouldn't. They don't track that stuff. Your VIN has nothing to do with your radio security code. Only your radio serial number has any relationship to your security code. In rec.autos.makers.honda Elmo P. Shagnasty <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote: > "Ask your dealer for assistance" simply means he can pull the radio, get > the radio's serial number, and get the radio security code from that. Ouch. That'd be pricey. If they have to actually pull the radio out of the dash, I would imagine that is at least a one hour flat rate job. Maybe not. I put an adapter onto the radio to connect my MP3 player. That required maybe 1/2 hour, and I didn't pull the radio out, just exposed it. > He doesn't keep the radio code at all. Only individual salesmen who > choose to do so will write it down as a service to their customers. But > with the rate of churn in the industry, that's rare. In fact, if you My "internet salesman" was gone before my first return visit. And he was new when I bought the car. > think about the rate of churn with dealership names changing left and > right, you'd see how ridiculous it is to expect that the place you > bought your car from is even in business a year later. Names? I guess so. The dealer's seem to stay put, but the conglomerates are snapping them up in my area. Several "Lithia" dealerships, but the local Honda dealer has been a Buick/GMC dealership of the same name since some time in the 60's. The Ford dealer just changed names a few months ago, but they have pictures on the walls of Fords in the same building in the 40's. > Your VIN has nothing to do with your radio security code. Only your > radio serial number has any relationship to your security code. I think the VIN is a handy way to look up what _was_ there. That would probably be fine for 90% of the owners, and avoid pulling the radio. Signature--- Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8-122.5 > > "Ask your dealer for assistance" simply means he can pull the radio, get > > the radio's serial number, and get the radio security code from that. > > Ouch. That'd be pricey. Yep. A hundred bucks to find your radio serial number. This has been discussed here and other places quite a bit over the years, as someone who buys a used Honda and replaces the battery suddenly finds himself facing a radio that says CODE. Now, if you have a relationship with the dealer, that might be different. Or it might not... > > Your VIN has nothing to do with your radio security code. Only your > > radio serial number has any relationship to your security code. > > I think the VIN is a handy way to look up what _was_ there. It would be, if Honda used that system. They don't. They don't link the VIN to any individually serialized or coded piece inside the car as they manufacture it. When the serialized radio goes in the car, so does the card and stickers with the radio information. And that's as far as it goes. Trust me. You can't walk into a Honda dealer with a VIN and have them look up the radio code. Period. |
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