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Car Forum / Jaguar Cars / December 2004

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Stuart Adair - 12 Oct 2004 21:56 GMT
Dear Mr XJS Designer,

I would like to personally thank you for designing such a unique car. You
put together a great engine and managed to hold the whole thing together by
using metal no thicker than tinfoil.
I can testify to this after spending hours and hours in my garage welding my
XJS back together after once driving it in the rain and watching it rust as
I drove home.
I would shake you by the hand but I've got a few weld-burns, but when I heal
we can discuss your ability to design a car down some dark alley !!!

Yours sincerely

Frustrated XJS Owner
Siest098 - 17 Oct 2004 16:23 GMT
What year is your Jag? My '94 has a small bit of rust, but nothing I think
needs welding.
George Bray - 22 Oct 2004 02:37 GMT
> What year is your Jag? My '94 has a small bit of rust, but nothing I think
> needs welding.

My 1989 XJ-S suffered quite a lot of rust before I realised what was
going on. Later models were galvanized, I understand, which might
help. You'd think all models would have been galvanized for the price
those cars were new.

Overall, I think the build quality leaves a lot to be desired. My
Rover 214/414 runaround (1990 model) is/was a cheap budget car but
knocks spots off the XJ-S for build quality. A team of sixth formers
could have done a better job than the XJ-S designers on many aspects
of the car's development. As for continuous improvement, I don't think
there was much after 1975.

Regards
George
SoK66 - 07 Dec 2004 18:38 GMT
>> What year is your Jag? My '94 has a small bit of rust, but nothing I
>> think
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> Regards
> George

XJS did indeed suffer from under-development, as it was the lower volume of
the Comany's two products. The '92 facelift was a major change point, but in
Ford terms was the worst launch in terms of quality they'd ever seen. By '94
much of it had been sorted and the final year of production, '95 was of
quite good quilty compared to what had gone before.  I drove these as
Company cars for years and was always quite fond of them despite their
quirks.
Stuart Adair - 08 Dec 2004 18:00 GMT
Hi George,

Mines a 1989 on F plate. Although I mock the paper thin metal that Jags of
that age were made of it should also be added that I'm in the middle of a
rebuild after the car had been sat for 4 years.

Stu

>>> What year is your Jag? My '94 has a small bit of rust, but nothing I
>>> think
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> these as Company cars for years and was always quite fond of them despite
> their quirks.
bill@microsoft.com - 07 Dec 2004 02:20 GMT
>Dear Mr XJS Designer,
>
>I would like to personally thank you for designing such a unique car. You
>put together a great engine and managed to hold the whole thing together by
>using metal no thicker than tinfoil.

The XJ-S was Sir William Lyons', the founder of Jaguar, last design.
Ment to replace the E-type, it was a wonderful touring car.  It was
the first production car designed in a wind tunnel.  And the V-12 is
an amazing torque generator.

But British steel has lot's of impurities that promote rust.  It
doesn't matter how thick it is.  Good steel can be thin (as evidenced
by some of the steels today).  But bad steel rusts from the inside
(or, at least, it seems to!)
SoK66 - 07 Dec 2004 05:14 GMT
>>Dear Mr XJS Designer,
>>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> by some of the steels today).  But bad steel rusts from the inside
> (or, at least, it seems to!)

Oh, it gets better than that. The original XJS was 1" longer on one side
than the other. That faux-pas was discovered in the mid-80s by the German
firm Karmann when Jaguar decided to build an XJS convertible. Karmann
interrogated the plans and sheepishly told Jaguar management. XJS bodies
were built at Castle Brom on one of five turntables. When Ford manufacturing
began putting their process controls in place they discovered that no two of
the things were the same. Although they were designed to be routininely
calibrated, Jaguar never bothered. The differences in build quality between
the last year's XJS production ('95) and say ten years earlier are
laughable.
Stuart Adair - 07 Dec 2004 09:11 GMT
Funny that this message should appear again as I spent yesterday back in the
garage with some more welding to be done.

Now, you answer me this.

Ford Sierra        Original sale price ?8000       Has wheelarch liners to
stop front end rust
Vauxhall Astra   Original sale price ?6000      Has wheelarch liners to stop
front end rust.
Lada Riva          Original sale price ?25p         Has wheelarch liners to
stop front end rust.

Jaguar XJS        Original sale price ?LOADS    DOES NOT HAVE WHEELARCH
LINERS SO ITS RUSTS !!!

I love the XJS - I wouldn't spend so long under mine putting it back
together, but its no wonder Jaguar went bust and had to sell out to Ford !!!

Incidentally, I've finished the engine, front suspension and N/S floor -
Back axle rebuild is next.

Stu

>>Dear Mr XJS Designer,
>>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> by some of the steels today).  But bad steel rusts from the inside
> (or, at least, it seems to!)
Phil - 07 Dec 2004 16:30 GMT
Don't know where your wheelarch liners went then, my '86 XJS has
them....

Phil.
Phil - 07 Dec 2004 16:31 GMT
Don't know where your wheelarch liners went then, my '86 XJS has
them....

Phil.
Stuart Adair - 08 Dec 2004 08:04 GMT
Thats interesting because mine doesn't, also 2 in my local scrapyard dont
(1989 and 1991). A friend of mine has a J plate and his doesn't have them. I
wonder if they were a special buy when the car was new ?

Stu

> Don't know where your wheelarch liners went then, my '86 XJS has
> them....
>
> Phil.
Phil - 08 Dec 2004 08:53 GMT
More likely they have been removed & not refitted....
 
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