Hi All
I have a 2000 S Type (4.0 with 60,000 Kilometers) and have a noticable
vibration from the front end. It almost feels if something is loose yet
under inspection everything is tight. The alignment has been done, Wheels
balanced, Proper inflation in Pirelli tires, shocks checked out ok.....could
this be a stabilizer issue. I live approx. 2.5 hours from nearest Jaguar
dealer and would appreciate any input prior to taking to the dealer. Has
anyone experiened this before >>>> Its like I can feel every pebble I drive
over. Comments. Thanks all!
John
webserve - 01 Nov 2004 10:49 GMT
John,
I know this will sound ridiculous, but rotate your tyres. Put the fronts
on the rear and the rears on the front. While it may do nothing, it may pin
point the problem -- for no cost. I know this is heresy amongst Jag
owners, but I wouldn't own a set of Pirellis if they were the only tyre left
that would fit any of my 3 Jags.
Sorry -- personal opinion.
Webserve
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SoK66 - 01 Nov 2004 15:32 GMT
OY, the Jaguar tire issue with no end!
The problem is the Pirellis fitted to the S-Type, and for years the P4000s
installed on the XJ. They are notorious for developing near-permanent flat
spots, which form after the car has been run for awhile and the rubber gets
warm and pliable. When the car is parked the rubber cools and the tire forms
a flat spot where it is in contact with the ground. While this condition in
varying degrees is common to most brands of "Z" rated, high performance
radials, on other brands like Michelin, Continental, etc. the deformation
will go away after just a few minutes of driving. OTOH, the Pirellis begin
to take a "set" and the flat spots tend to become permanent. The condition
gets progressively worse and worse as more & more areas of the tire develop
these deformations.
Ford/Jaguar engineering use(d) Pirellis because they were cheap. They also
sourced some low-end Conti Contacs on the 2000 S-Type, not sure if that
continued. However the UK service guys started to rave about how nice the
Contis were, prbably because they'd used the crap Pirellis for so long they
had no experience with another brand.
When I ran Jaguar Customer Service in the USA we had a simple way to deal
with this annoying customer complaint: we fit equivalent rated Michelins and
never heard another peep from the customers. UK Service and Engineering knew
they had a crap vendor on their hands but for whatever reason there was
never any definitive action to solve this issue. Pirelli blamed
Engineeering's spec and said they'd warned them the problem would develop,
Engineering blamed Pirelli, etc. YADA YADA YADA, the Ford/Jaguar Corporate
BS went on and on. Meanwhile, no other competitior fit Pirellis to their
products so the simple answer was to just toss the tires and replace them
with another brand.
In those cases where the qualiy, engineering & service organizations
wouldn't deal with obvious issues, I was always very happy to spend A LOT of
Jaguar's money to help the customers. Unfortunately, in the OP's case I'm
sure far too many miles and time have passed for Jaguar to contribute to
their replacment. A call to Tire Rack WILL solve your problem, however.
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Dimitri - 01 Nov 2004 18:11 GMT
I had a similar problem with my XJ and it was really noticeable. I had
recent Pirelli P6000 tires and it turned out they had ovalized. I had
them replaced under warranty but the new ones were likewise. Cured the
problem with new Michelins. Vibration has disappeared.
Dimitri
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John F. Kennedy - 02 Nov 2004 05:02 GMT
Gentlemen
Thanks I appreciate your comments and will take your combined advice. I will
keep you posted on outcome.
Regards
John
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John F. Kennedy - 03 Nov 2004 01:49 GMT
Hi Guys......done all the suggestions including rims and tires.....no
difference......can anyone think of additional suggestions.....steering rack
etc? Its driving me nuts....Thanks again!
John
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Gizmo69 - 04 Nov 2004 20:43 GMT
John,
I had a similar problem with my 2000 3.0SE S-Type, over approx 8000 miles it
developed a knocking noise when traveling on uneven roads which
progressively got worse, upon inspection by my Jaguar dealer (under
warranty) they found the anti-roll bushes were worn and required replacing
(only having done 24000 miles).
Having done some further research this appears to be a relatively common
problem, in fact the bushes seem to be on ebay for sale all the time check
out item 4501526574 or just search for "Jaguar roll" to see the offending
item.
I hope this helps
Kind Regards
Phil
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Matthew Haigh - 04 Nov 2004 21:46 GMT
>Having done some further research this appears to be a relatively common
>problem, in fact the bushes seem to be on ebay for sale all the time check
>out item 4501526574 or just search for "Jaguar roll" to see the offending
>item.
Are they really £56 +VAT each on the S-Type? I just had the main dealer
do these on my XJ8 (admittedly the suspension is probably completely
different), but the bushes were under £4 each, and the total job
including labour was less than £50 + VAT.
Matt

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Paul - 05 Nov 2004 15:26 GMT
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Hi Matt,
Thought mine had gone, had it checked out by my mate who owns his own
Garage, he could find nothing wrong with them or any part of the steering
apart from a split steering rack gator that just cost me ?18 from the Jag
Dealer, while I was there I asked how much the front Anti roll bar bushes
were and he said they were ?47 each.
Since My car has been up on his ramps with all its suspension etc hanging
down while he was inspecting it my Knocking has vanished. Maybe something
wasn't quite sitting right, I don't know but I do know its as clean as a
whistle with a clean bill of health.
Paul
webserve - 05 Nov 2004 19:16 GMT
Paul,
You are now an official member of the Jaguar club with your own personal
"Gremlin"
Most gremlins are electrical -- you must be honored to have a mechanical
gremlin
Cheers
Webserve
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Paul - 05 Nov 2004 22:45 GMT
I am used to Gremlins, I owned an Alfa Romeo 156 V6 SIII before this car,
now there's a car to have a mad love affair with they drive you mad but are
an absolute hoot to drive especially the Alfa V6
Paul
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webserve - 05 Nov 2004 23:58 GMT
For a moment I thought you were going to say a Peugeot 505. The only car I
have ever known that owners loved to visit at their local garage --
constantly. Then they would swear how much they loved the car -- and then
go buy another one!!
Webserve
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Michael Bukosky - 12 Apr 2005 02:17 GMT
I have a 2000 S-Type 4.0 and had a vibration problem as well. It turned
out to be a balancing issue. I standard wheel balancer will not work on
Jaguar rims. Most balancers insert a cone in the center of the hub and on
our rims the center of the hub is not the true center of the hub.
An easy cure for this was a "Roadforce Balancing machine" made by Hunter.
Jaguar has a technical service bulletin on this saying the same thing.
Good Luck!