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Car Forum / Jaguar Cars / December 2004

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XJ220

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Almarz - 12 Dec 2004 23:37 GMT
What's an XJ220 worth?  I can't afford one, but would like to know
anyway.  Average ballpark is fine.  Thanks & Happy Holidays
Tod - 13 Dec 2004 01:15 GMT
I've seen them for as low as $100,000 US

> What's an XJ220 worth?  I can't afford one, but would like to know
> anyway.  Average ballpark is fine.  Thanks & Happy Holidays
Almarz - 13 Dec 2004 01:36 GMT
In that case I'd look further!  I was under the impression that they
were over $400K

>I've seen them for as low as $100,000 US
>
>> What's an XJ220 worth?  I can't afford one, but would like to know
>> anyway.  Average ballpark is fine.  Thanks & Happy Holidays
Tod - 13 Dec 2004 18:39 GMT
Only for the people that put deposits down (back in 92,93) for a new one at
a locked price.

> In that case I'd look further!  I was under the impression that they
> were over $400K
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>>> What's an XJ220 worth?  I can't afford one, but would like to know
>>> anyway.  Average ballpark is fine.  Thanks & Happy Holidays
SoK66 - 13 Dec 2004 02:06 GMT
Depends upon the market. 220s were never homologated for the US market, so
they're fairly rare here. In the UK and on the Continent they were sold in
some numbers.

220 was a total dog as far as sales were concerned, at one point (around
'93) there were a great number of them laying around in a mothballed state
at Browns Lane. They were sold off a fire sale prices to get them out of
inventory.

It was stuff like this and Tom Walkinshaw's involvement with the Jaguar
board that drove Ford's first Jaguar executives bonkers.

> What's an XJ220 worth?  I can't afford one, but would like to know
> anyway.  Average ballpark is fine.  Thanks & Happy Holidays
David Betts - 13 Dec 2004 08:25 GMT
>Depends upon the market. 220s were never homologated for the US market, so
>they're fairly rare here. In the UK and on the Continent they were sold in
>some numbers.

Depends what you call 'numbers'. Was it 900 or so total.

>220 was a total dog as far as sales were concerned, at one point (around
>'93) there were a great number of them laying around in a mothballed state
>at Browns Lane. They were sold off a fire sale prices to get them out of
>inventory.

Mainly, of course, because the economy went into recession rather than
any failings with the car. People couldn't afford to take up their
options.

The car is the most affordable of the supercars of that era on the
second hand market, however. Certainly significantly cheaper than an
F40 or an F1. Around GBP 125,000 seems to be the standard asking
price.

Stunningly beautiful. Main drawback in everyday use is its width,
which exceeds that of traffic calming constrictions in many UK towns.
Also, some people are disappointed by the relatively utilitarian noise
of its race-derived turbo V6.

Nice to see Tom Walkinshaw back in business, working with GM in
Australia.

David Betts (davidb@motorsport.org.uk)
The Classic Car Gallery: http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=17830847103&n=398038677
Almarz - 13 Dec 2004 13:30 GMT
>>Depends upon the market. 220s were never homologated for the US market, so
>>they're fairly rare here. In the UK and on the Continent they were sold in
>>some numbers.
>
>Depends what you call 'numbers'. Was it 900 or so total.

I was under the impression that it was limited to 350.

>The car is the most affordable of the supercars of that era on the
>second hand market, however. Certainly significantly cheaper than an
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Also, some people are disappointed by the relatively utilitarian noise
>of its race-derived turbo V6.
Tod - 13 Dec 2004 18:44 GMT
Because they could not sell very many of them they stopped production
after around 300.
Even Elton John donated his XJ220 for a charity auction years later with
only 800 miles on it.

>>>Depends upon the market. 220s were never homologated for the US market,
>>>so
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>>Also, some people are disappointed by the relatively utilitarian noise
>>of its race-derived turbo V6.
David Betts - 14 Dec 2004 08:07 GMT
>Because they could not sell very many of them they stopped production
>after around 300.

Thanks. That would be right.

>Even Elton John donated his XJ220 for a charity auction years later with
>only 800 miles on it.

Well, like most supercars, many of them were bought by people who
treated them as sculptures or exhibits rather than motor cars.
Actually, apart from the width issue the XJ220 is very driveable.
There are cars out there with a cosiderable mileage on them. At least
one woman (wife of a a well known Jaguar restorer) used one as her
everyday car for years....and for all I know may still do so.

All the supercars of that era had problems with sales because of the
recession, including the incredible McLaren F1, so you can't really
knock it on those grounds. It was, for a brief period, the fastest
production car in the world and it did win its class at Le Mans before
a phoney rules exclusion by the French, even though it was never
intended to be a racer. No argument that it isn't stunningly beautiful
either.

David Betts (davidb@motorsport.org.uk)
The Classic Car Gallery: http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=17830847103&n=398038677
Tod - 15 Dec 2004 03:55 GMT
What was the "phony rules exclusion" they used ?

>>Because they could not sell very many of them they stopped production
>>after around 300.
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> The Classic Car Gallery:
> http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=17830847103&n=398038677 
David Betts - 16 Dec 2004 08:09 GMT
(Re-ordered for ease of comprehension. Please don't top-post your
replies as it makes the thread difficult to follow for others.)

>> It was, for a brief period, the fastest
>> production car in the world and it did win its class at Le Mans before
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>
>What was the "phony rules exclusion" they used ?

They claimed it should have raced with catalytic convertors in place.
English translation of the rules didn't appear say that.
Interpretation of the somewhat ambivalent French original by the
organisers was that it did.  As far as I - and most neutral observers
- are concerned, it won.

David Betts (davidb@motorsport.org.uk)
The Classic Car Gallery: http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=17830847103&n=398038677
David Betts - 14 Dec 2004 07:59 GMT
>>>Depends upon the market. 220s were never homologated for the US market, so
>>>they're fairly rare here. In the UK and on the Continent they were sold in
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>I was under the impression that it was limited to 350.

That would be right. Long time ago <grin>. They didn't build all of
them because of the recession, so around 300 total.

David Betts (davidb@motorsport.org.uk)
The Classic Car Gallery: http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=17830847103&n=398038677
Richard Wall - 13 Dec 2004 16:53 GMT
Last one sold by auction had been bricked up in a building and had just 111
miles on the clock sold for ?105,000.
See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/3005938.stm

Regards Richard
> What's an XJ220 worth?  I can't afford one, but would like to know
> anyway.  Average ballpark is fine.  Thanks & Happy Holidays
Dsybok - 27 Dec 2004 00:28 GMT
I have seen them sell in the US for well under $200,000. In fact, when
priced in that neighborhood they take a LONG time to sell. I would think for
a decent example, under 10,000 miles, $150,000 would be about right.

D

> What's an XJ220 worth?  I can't afford one, but would like to know
> anyway.  Average ballpark is fine.  Thanks & Happy Holidays

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