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alan4nospamd@tpg.com.au - 06 Sep 2005 21:05 GMT
Hi Webserve and all!

(he gets a special mention as he's usually got the answer).  More on my
1988 XJ40 (with digital instruments and oblong headlamps).  Have just
bought two plastic headlamp protectors form Jagara here in Sydney.  The
headlamps cost $200 each and are easily smashed by flying stones.  The
protectors clip on and cost me $75 the pair!  Also, on Webserves advice,
have got a spare crankshaft timing sensor.  Next problem, missing puddle
lamp RH rear cover.  This is a bit of coloured plastic.  I thought the
rest of mine were red but Jagara has sent me grey (american = gray!).
Could all Xj40 owners be very kind and tell me what colour their puddle
lamp covers are?

Are the colours different for RHS and LHS, by any chance?

Thanks
Alan
Randolph Fernance - 07 Sep 2005 06:35 GMT
Hi Alan
Suggest you try H&H Prestige parts in Melbourne on 1800337379. Speak with
Herb or Phil they can answer your questions and should be able to provide
the part within 24 hours (when I needed new shocks, all the locals said two
to three month wait, I rang prestige and had them the next day). Their web
site is;
http://www.prestige-spares.com.au/
My 87 Sovereign's puddle lamp covers are all red.
Regards
Randolph
> Hi Webserve and all!
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> Thanks
> Alan
alan4nospamd@tpg.com.au - 07 Sep 2005 21:26 GMT
> Hi Alan
> Suggest you try H&H Prestige parts in Melbourne on 1800337379....

Hi all!

Update for all contributors re puddle lamps.  The Prestige firm in Melbourne,
recommended by two of you, were indeed most helpful and solved the problem
immediately.  The puddle lamp covers *are* smoky (grey) but you never see them
smoky as when the doors are closed, they are practically hidden.  When the
doors are open and they come on they show red, because *there is apparently a
red diffuser underneath the (smoky) cover*.  So I had got the right cover but
needed the diffuser too, which Melbourne are posting to me.

Then I'll tackle the no-lamp-on problem, which I have described earlier.  Brief
summary of *that* problem.  Puddle lamp doesn't light, but the globe/bulb tests
OK and there *is* 12 + V on the contacts.  First diagnosis by me: computer.
Advice from contributor: computer not connected to interior lamps.  Second
diagnosis by me: high resistance joint in circuit - when meter connected
negligble current drain so 12 V indicated.  When lamp connected, high current
drain introduces large voltage loss across high resistance in circuit.  I still
favour this one.  However, I have a second theory now.  High resistance in the
*interior* of the connection.  Meter probe is to the exterior.  Same results as
before.  Will investigate further and report.

Original query.  Confirmed the quiescent current is 50 mA, which should not
discharge a *good* battery if car used at least once a week.  BTW, Prestige's
Phil not quite right here.  He thinks the Q current is normal but due to many
capacitors in circuit - in fact (non-faulty) capacitors should not pass *any*
current.  But it is probably the conmputers, of which there are a few.  Can
anyone else who's savvy please check their Q drain.  I believe mine is normal
but would like to know. CAUTION do not do this unless you know what you are
doing with electricals, batteries, etc, and ensure connections are later firmly
restored.  BTW, you need an analogue meter because there is a pulsing on the
line from the clock, which will cause a digital meter to read very erratically.

Is there a justification for forming an XJ40 newsgroup?  Are there many XJ40
users out there?

Thanks to all
Alan
webserve - 07 Sep 2005 22:35 GMT
Alan,
 There is an XJ40 group at www.jag-lovers.org   They have even written a
book about the problems and cures of the XJ40 at
http://www.jag-lovers.org/ebooks/bookindex.php?Vbook=xj40

Webserve

> > Hi Alan
> > Suggest you try H&H Prestige parts in Melbourne on 1800337379....
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> Thanks to all
> Alan
Windy Dyck - 07 Sep 2005 21:25 GMT
> Hi Webserve and all!
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> Thanks
> Alan

Sorry - UK here and red
Andy Coles - 08 Sep 2005 08:58 GMT
Just checked on my 87 3.6 Sov but I am not removing to see what is on the
inside.  Firstly the lamps are two tone plastic, clear underneath the lamp
giving a white light downwards and red light to the sides.  Definitely red
when the door is open and the lights are on but when the door is closed and
lights off they look more of a dark plum colour.  Really do not look grey to
me.

Andy
UK - 1997 XJ40 3.6 Sovereign, 31,502 miles.
> Hi Webserve and all!
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> Thanks
> Alan
alan4nospamd@tpg.com.au - 08 Sep 2005 20:28 GMT
Hi Andy

Thanks for your reply.  See my earlier message updating progress.  I've learned
that the outer cover is smoky but there is an inner red diffuser.  I guess with
the lamps off the diffuser would show through the smoky to give a dark plum
colour.  Waiting for the diffuser via the mail (today?) and will report.

Cheers
Alan

> Just checked on my 87 3.6 Sov but I am not removing to see what is on the
> inside.  Firstly the lamps are two tone plastic, clear underneath the lamp
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> UK - 1997 XJ40 3.6 Sovereign, 31,502 miles.
> <alan4nospamd@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
Andy Coles - 09 Sep 2005 09:36 GMT
Hi Alan

Sorries for the OT but your email address doesn't like direct replies.

Envy you living in (close to) Sydney.  Just come back from 2 years there,
loved the place, loved the people, loved the weather.  Lived mainly in Manly
and Balgowlah.

Would have stayed permanently but Amanda Vanstone keeps changing the immi
rules.  My youngest son would have been chucked out 28 days (technically)
after he had finished his tertiary education as what he proposed to study at
UNI (travel & tourism - and where better to study this than Aus?) is not on
the skills shortage list so would never get the points needed for PR.
Better to be a hairdresser for immi purposes it seems than going to Uni (no
disrespect whatsoever intended to hairdressers).

To get my wife's mum in (an older senior of 82, fit as a fiddle and
financially completely independant and zero drain on Aus BUT has no other
living family other than my wife, her only daughter) on a retirement visa
suddenly became a no no when AV did a rule altering trick which now requires
for a retirement visa a Fed deposit of AU$800,000 (and you will not get this
back until you fall off the pearch), PLUS cash or cash equivalent available
in Aus of another $800,000 PLUS an AFTER tax income of $65,000 PLUS a
medical bond of (it seems to vary on a whim) $30,000 to $35,000 PLUS full
med insurance (which we took for granted anyway).  Fk'n'll, how many people
have this.

Back shivering in the cold and damp of Blighty.  Only conselation is that I
have my Jag again and have bought a 2 wheeled cruiser to continue my return
to biking mode rekindled when in Aus.

Regards

Andy

> Hi Andy
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>> UK - 1997 XJ40 3.6 Sovereign, 31,502 miles.
>> <alan4nospamd@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
Andy Coles - 09 Sep 2005 09:57 GMT
Alan

Forgot to mention that there are Jag spares places in the UK that will send
anything you need to Aus, VAT (GST to you) free at the UK end and we suffer
17.5%!!

Dave Manners is pretty good, they really know their stuff and can be found
at:

http://www.jagspares.co.uk/Manners/company.asp

Email or use a phone card to talk to them (I could usually get them for 1 to
1.5 cents per minute to the UK + local call cost).

Manners sell Genuine Jag in Jag boxes, Genuine Jag parts but in brown boxes
and Pattern parts  i.e. you have three price tiers and even the Jag in Jag
boxed stuff is very significantly less that yer rip off Jaguar main agents
here.

If you really get stuck for parts Jaguar Heritage retro manufacture most
parts for classic Jaguars.

You may find this link useful as well - the best on-line manual out there
for the XJ40:

http://www.jag-lovers.org/modern/

Regards

Andy

> Hi Andy
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>> UK - 1997 XJ40 3.6 Sovereign, 31,502 miles.
>> <alan4nospamd@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
Andy Coles - 09 Sep 2005 10:13 GMT
Actually this is the correct link to the XJ40 on-line manual:

http://www.jag-lovers.org/ebooks/bookindex.php?Vbook=xj40

> Alan
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>>> UK - 1997 XJ40 3.6 Sovereign, 31,502 miles.
>>> <alan4nospamd@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
alan4nospamd@tpg.com.au - 11 Sep 2005 19:10 GMT
Hi all!

A sunny Sunday, not too hot or too cold, peacefully working on the XJ40 on a
non life-and-death improvement, far off the road.  What could be nicer?

The promised update for all those who helped with my puddle lamp problems.
First, easily dealt with, the colour:  It turns out that the smoky grey
cover is correct, but inside it is a red diffuser, which is screwed to the
door lining.  All is OK.

Now on to the non-operation of the lamp.  You will recall that the bulb
worked and there was 12V measured on the springs, but the bulb didn't
light.  I finally decided that the meter read 12 V all right because
although there was a high resistance fault in the circuit, the low curent
drain of the meter (digital - very low) gave no voltage drop across the
fault.  But when the bulb (globe) was plugged in, the attempted current
drain led to a very high voltage drop across the fault.  Well, much
dismantling later, and using needles to penetrate wires, I traced the fault
to a little PCB under the door switch module.  The earth to the puddle lamp
goes in and out of that PCB and that's where the problem was.  It turns out
that a diode in circuit (1N4007) was high resistance (*both* ways!).  I'll
order a pack of them (1 only is an unworkably low price!) and fit it in due
course.  The only downside is the back seat of the car is full of bits and
screws that had to be taken off.  Virtually the whole of the door linings
and all fittings had to be dismantled to get at this 1 cent part!  Still, it
wasn't raining down my neck.  (I remember changing the big ends of an MG TD
lying on my back in the snow in the street in freezing cold England, years
ago...)

Cheers all
Alan
webserve - 12 Sep 2005 02:43 GMT
Don't worry about buying extra 1N4007s  Alan.  You will need them for the
A/C blowers when you lose low and medium speeds.

Webserve

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> Alan
alan4nospamd@tpg.com.au - 12 Sep 2005 05:09 GMT
OK Webserve!  Actually my air-conditioning is totally inactive at all speeds,
but that is another story and lies ahead.  Before I was ill I remember fitting a
new microswitch in the dash controller but not the detail from memory, except
that it's a common problem.  This one seems to be different.  BTW, have bought a
packet of 100 1N4007 - is that enough, do you think? <g>

Alan

> Don't worry about buying extra 1N4007s  Alan.  You will need them for the
> A/C blowers when you lose low and medium speeds.
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> > Cheers all
> > Alan
Andy - 12 Sep 2005 07:08 GMT
So you will be in demand then for that particular spare part.

> OK Webserve!  Actually my air-conditioning is totally inactive at all
> speeds,
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>> > Cheers all
>> > Alan
alan4spamoffd@tpg.com.au - 15 Sep 2005 08:16 GMT
OK.  Now I have another problem!

Found the faulty diode on the PCB and replaced it.  All  tests OK.  Then  put the
PCB back into the moulding, and another test shows the electric window winder
(connections are on the same board) working in reverse.  So obviously have put the
PCB in the wrong way round (it appears identical so it was a 50/50 chance!  I
lost!)  Now, I cannot get the old PCB out of the moulding, and can't see what is
holding it in.  Any experience of this anyone?  I've taken out the two little
screws, but the PCB seems stuck fast even after trying it in the freezer.

Alan
alan4spamoffd@tpg.com.au - 16 Sep 2005 01:48 GMT
> OK.  Now I have another problem!
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> Alan

 OK all.  Got it!  The PCB is actually secured by a little springy plastic tab that
is hardly visible.  Push that in with a fine screwdriver and the PCB comes out
easily.  Thank goodness I didn't do any damage with all that previous heaving!  Once I
couldn't even spell "expert" and now I are one!..

I think that'll probably do before my move on 28/9.  There I have a nice big double
workshop and things'll be a lot easier!

Standby for bulb warning light progress, and then air not working at all.  No fans or
anything.  Must be elctrical and at least I have a good digital multimeter for that
(and 90 odd 1N4007 diodes!

Greetings to Webserve and all
Alan
Andy - 12 Sep 2005 07:07 GMT
> Hi all!
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> Cheers all
> Alan

Done the snow thing as well.  Mine was a  late 50's sit up and beg Ford Pop
with an E93A side valve engine.  It must have been 1969 when we swapped the
engine out with one from a scrappie at a farm opposite the Highwayman pub
about 5 miles out of Macclesfield (Cheshire) on the road to Buxton.  It was
January, we were working outside and me and my mates finished at about 2.00
in the morning and everywhere was white.  It was so cold we had to wrap up
the spanners to stop them freezing.  Much to all our surprise it started
first pull.

The 'good' old days - at least cars were easier to repair then.

Andy
nospam@tpg.com.au - 14 Sep 2005 08:31 GMT
OK.  The promised update.  The problem *was* the 1N4007 diode in the window
switch module, which also has the puddle lamp earth going through it.  But first
a red herring.  Soldered in a new 1N4007 and tested it - no joy.  Must be diode
the wrong way round.  Soldered in the other way round - still no joy.  Realised
although earth return is via small connector, main supply is via big circular
connector (for the  windows).  So resolderd diode other way round again and now
tested properly -  success!  Diode stripe (cathode) must be at top.  Now to go
out on sunny day and reassemble all the door trim.

Alan
 
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