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Car Forum / Jaguar Cars / October 2005

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Looking for a coupe to Lump

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Bret Ludwig - 08 Oct 2005 05:00 GMT
I have a friend who is looking for a XJ-6/12C with straight body and
bad engine or trans to Lump. He has a fresh engine and trans he built
to put in something else and decided to go a different route with that
(it's a pickup and it's getting a diesel.)

If the car is still with its original engine and trans he will pickle
them and put them safely away for restoration. If they are missing that
is OK too as long as the body has no major rust or significant damage
history.

No wrecks, no junkers, no anti-lump flames. If you have a vehicle for
consideration please send me a short email.
David Betts - 10 Oct 2005 07:30 GMT
>no anti-lump flames.

Why ever not? What on earth do you expect if you post something like
that here. Most of us find the thought of vandalising Jaguars rather
unpleasant.

David Betts (davidb@motorsport.org.uk)
The Classic Car Gallery: http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=17830847103&n=398038677
Bret Ludwig - 10 Oct 2005 07:47 GMT
> >no anti-lump flames.
>
> Why ever not? What on earth do you expect if you post something like
> that here. Most of us find the thought of vandalising Jaguars rather
> unpleasant.

Do computer keyboards in England lack the letter "Z"? Else, why do you
vandalize "vandalize"?? ;-)

The fact is that:

1. You can always put it back the way it was.

2. The various American V8s make more power with less weight than the
venerable but heavy XJ six or the cantankerous V12.

3. The XJ six comes with, in US spec cars, an American made but
worthless three speed Borg Warner transmission. Lumping gives you the
current four speed automatic.

4. Britons put things in Jaguars that are just as dubious, such as
Perkins and Gardner diesels in the old days, and Nissan diesels today.
(Though the Gardner was such a pretty engine....)

5. Why don't you Brits do something useful like manufacture a 4 valve
head for the XJ, or better yet squeeze Ford UK's nuts until they do
right with the Aston Martin and reissue the Newport Pagnall 6-the
engine the XJ should have been. This business of using two Taurus
blocks for a V12 is ridiculous.
Alan Mudd - 10 Oct 2005 19:10 GMT
> Do computer keyboards in England lack the letter "Z"? Else, why do you
> vandalize "vandalize"?? ;-)

Our Keyboards have a full complement and being English, we speak and write
English.

Feel free to bastardiSe our Language as you wish but don't berate us for
spelling correctly...:-)

Alan M
David Betts - 11 Oct 2005 08:08 GMT
>> Do computer keyboards in England lack the letter "Z"? Else, why do you
>> vandalize "vandalize"?? ;-)
>
>Our Keyboards have a full complement and being English, we speak and write
>English.

Thanks Alan, but I would ignore anyone who trumpets their ignorance in
this manner.  (Not sure he even knows the correct American spelling
<g>.)

David Betts (davidb@motorsport.org.uk)
The Classic Car Gallery: http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=17830847103&n=398038677
Alan Brand - 11 Oct 2005 13:43 GMT
>>> Do computer keyboards in England lack the letter "Z"? Else, why do you
>>> vandalize "vandalize"?? ;-)
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>this manner.  (Not sure he even knows the correct American spelling
><g>.)

"i-g-n-o-r-a-n-c-e"? You appear to have misspelt "xenophobia", David.
<G>

Signature

Alan (Brand, not Mudd)

taltos - 11 Oct 2005 18:07 GMT
>>>> Do computer keyboards in England lack the letter "Z"? Else, why do you
>>>> vandalize "vandalize"?? ;-)
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> "i-g-n-o-r-a-n-c-e"? You appear to have misspelt "xenophobia", David.
> <G>

I am also an American, but if you can get one with a running engine, why put
one of the US's gas-sucking pigs into a classic car? BTW, if either of the
previous Americans, Ludwig and Betts had any appreciation for the Jag, they
would understand British spelling and accept it. He does have a point with
placing the Aston Martin in a Jag however. Own a 68 XKE-12 and a 03 x-type
2.5. Keep it up-have gotten much good advise in this group. Check how many
Americans catch my seplling. Paul
David Betts - 12 Oct 2005 07:40 GMT
>I am also an American, but if you can get one with a running engine, why put
>one of the US's gas-sucking pigs into a classic car? BTW, if either of the
>previous Americans, Ludwig and Betts had any appreciation for the Jag, they
>would understand British spelling and accept it.

Oops! When did I change nationality and lose my appreciation of
Jaguars? It appears to have happened without my even noticing. Scary
stuff.

David Betts (davidb@motorsport.org.uk)
The Classic Car Gallery: http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=17830847103&n=398038677
taltos - 12 Oct 2005 10:22 GMT
>>I am also an American, but if you can get one with a running engine, why
>>put
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> The Classic Car Gallery:
> http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=17830847103&n=398038677
I appologize David-read your sig without my glasses. Paul
Blake Dodson - 12 Oct 2005 14:49 GMT
Tsk tsk...

"David I apologize for the mix up; I should'nt read without my
glasses."

(Hehe)
taltos - 12 Oct 2005 17:58 GMT
> Tsk tsk...
>
> "David I apologize for the mix up; I should'nt read without my
> glasses."
>
> (Hehe)
Blake, you are a real help when I am trying to mend fences and hide the fact
that I sent a pissed-off post while not wearing my glasses and being
half-wasted. Thanks, Paul btw how have you been doing? (Hehe) In the
Half-life group I would have had to label yesterday's posting
(ODP-obligatory drunken post).P
Bret Ludwig - 13 Oct 2005 06:59 GMT
<<snip>>

> > Alan (Brand, not Mudd)
> I am also an American, but if you can get one with a running engine, why put
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> 2.5. Keep it up-have gotten much good advise in this group. Check how many
> Americans catch my seplling<sic>. Paul

The XJ 6 and 12 are both fine engines, to a point. The 6 weighs over
700 lbs for, at most, 4200cc. The 12 is slightly heavier and gives more
displacement, but its ancilliaries are Byzantine, and it is very
expensive to overhaul-the 6 can be rebuilt for three or four grand
(US$) but the 12 is quite a bit higher yet.

Both engines' accessories are quite troublesome. Stromberg carbs and
anything Lucas in particular.

Putting a US V-8 in these cars gives you a "best of breed solution"
giving better economy, performance and inexpensive engine and
transmission maintenance. That's why it's such a popular swap.

Should Jag saloons become highly desireable collectibles, it's
possible to convert them back to their original configuration if you
keep all the pieces. Since no structural modification is needed, it's
hardly butchery.
FogRocker - 25 Oct 2005 10:52 GMT
still looking?
Where are you?

West coast here Seattle)
 
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