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Car Forum / Jaguar Cars / February 2006

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Jag being dropped by Ford?

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Al - 30 Jan 2006 19:58 GMT
I read in "Business Week" this week that the pundits think that Ford
should drop its Jag division as it is a money loser.

Does this mean they would sell it, or is that the end of the marque?

Al
Alan Brand - 30 Jan 2006 20:04 GMT
> I read in "Business Week" this week that the pundits think that Ford
> should drop its Jag division as it is a money loser.
>
> Does this mean they would sell it, or is that the end of the marque?

There have been many rumours over the past couple of months on the theme
that Renault want to buy, but Ford doesn't want to sell.

Has Business Week just caught up, or were you reading in your dentist's
waiting room?

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Larry Qualig - 31 Jan 2006 05:47 GMT
> > I read in "Business Week" this week that the pundits think that Ford
> > should drop its Jag division as it is a money loser.
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> Has Business Week just caught up, or were you reading in your dentist's
> waiting room?

I'd hope they sell the marque to someone like BMW rather than Renault.
IMO the Jaguar name is too good to simply go away. Hell, they still
make Fiats don't they?
Al - 31 Jan 2006 14:48 GMT
> > I read in "Business Week" this week that the pundits think that Ford
> > should drop its Jag division as it is a money loser.
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> Has Business Week just caught up, or were you reading in your dentist's
> waiting room?

Hot off the presses this week! And it reflects current thinking.

If the financial people think it's a drag on Ford, they will adjust
their buy/sell recommendations accordingly. That will have more of an
effect then just wishful thinking.

I still have my '71 Jag XKE I bought new. Haven't bought another; that
may be part of their problem. I almost got the X all-wheel drive, until
I found out it wasn't much different from the 500, and more expensive.

Al
Alan Brand - 31 Jan 2006 16:27 GMT
>>> I read in "Business Week" this week that the pundits think that Ford
>>> should drop its Jag division as it is a money loser.
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>
> Al

Apart from the attempt to move Jaguar into the "mainstream" by building
the X-type, I think that Ford have generally been very sympathetic
towards the Jaguar marque. Unfortunately, Ford has Aston Martin as their
"prestige" marque, so the accountants have to treat Jaguar differently.
Given their stated desire for a prestige marque, perhaps Renault would
be a better owner? As I've said before, in these days of two teams for
some owners, Renault might even bring Jaguar back to F1 racing?!

Of course, as the owner of a Jaguar even older than yours, my opinions
mean little to Jaguar management.

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Alan Brand
"Grace", 1967 Jaguar 420
Owen Sound, ON  Canada

Al - 31 Jan 2006 21:34 GMT
> >>> I read in "Business Week" this week that the pundits think that Ford
> >>> should drop its Jag division as it is a money loser.
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> Of course, as the owner of a Jaguar even older than yours, my opinions
> mean little to Jaguar management.

Are you the original owner? I wonder what percentage of owners of
vintage Jags are the original owners?

I bought mine in July of '71. The tag says it was built in Nov. 70.
Since Jag didn't have "model years" then, it's considered to be the year
of sale here in the US. So in July I will have owned it for 35 years;
yikes!

Al
Alan Brand - 31 Jan 2006 23:40 GMT
>> Of course, as the owner of a Jaguar even older than yours, my opinions
>> mean little to Jaguar management.
>
> Are you the original owner? I wonder what percentage of owners of
> vintage Jags are the original owners?

> I bought mine in July of '71. The tag says it was built in Nov. 70.
> Since Jag didn't have "model years" then, it's considered to be the year
> of sale here in the US. So in July I will have owned it for 35 years;
> yikes!

No, I'm not the original owner, I've owned Grace for five years, after
searching almost as long for a 420 in good, original condition. I
understand that the car was originally built in April 67, delivered in
California in late 67, and stayed there until being imported to Canada
in 98.

Congratulations on being a member of what I suspect is a select group -
I only know a couple of original owners of cars that are over 30 years
old - I'll have to put a survey into the next edition of our club
newsletter.

Cheers, Alan

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Alan Brand
"Grace", 1967 Jaguar 420
Owen Sound, ON  Canada

oldjag - 03 Feb 2006 05:07 GMT
Bought my '67 E roadster in '75, still have it 31 years later.  Maybe
this does not count since it was made into a SCCA racer in '84 and was
raced until '99.  Still runs great, last time out it would still pull
170 mph on the long course at Pocono international. If I ever get done
with my house project, and it's still SCCA listed, I'll race it some
more.

> >> Of course, as the owner of a Jaguar even older than yours, my opinions
> >> mean little to Jaguar management.
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>
> Cheers, Alan
David Betts - 31 Jan 2006 07:44 GMT
>I read in "Business Week" this week that the pundits think that Ford
>should drop its Jag division as it is a money loser.
>
>Does this mean they would sell it, or is that the end of the marque?

Ford has just invested an enormous sum of additional money in Jaguar,
so is hardly likely to pull the plug now. Jaguars are selling like
never before in most of the world. Biggest problem, as always, is the
weakness of the dollar making the cars too expensive the US. Jaguar
really needs a US manufacturing facility. Difficulty there would be
maintaining the quality standards which are now being achieved.

Should Ford decided to disinvest, there would be no shortage of
buyers, although one would hate to see it fall under the control of
one of the German so-called prestige marques - it's hard to imagine
them doing anything more than asset-stripping. Ford has been a
remarkably sensitive and supportive parent, as it has with Aston
Martin.

Unfortunately the company - and the US motor industry - has much
bigger problems than a few piddling little losses at Jaguar.

David Betts (davidb@motorsport.org.uk)
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