> Las Vegas police reported a number of incidents during last weekends Nextel
> cup race where guys with navigation systems ended up lost out behind Nellis
> air base despite the fact that the Las Vegas Motorspeedway has its own exit
> off I-15.
Yeah; right. Of course, the odds of any of them there NASCAR Yokels©
driving a Jaguar X-Type are pretty slim, so you're still missing your
'target audience', don'tcha' think?
> Those systems are woefully behind in cities like Vegas with
> explosive growth and are a hazard to people like the computer guy who
> followed one down a closed road in Oregon and ended up freezing to death.
I'd be interested in reading your cite on that one. Now, there *was*
the BMW exec who drove a car into a lake because 'zere vas not
supposed to be a lake zere', but the average person with a lick of
sense understands the limitations of the software.
> They are nothing but a sales gimmick aimed at the lemmings hanging around
> starbucks
Hmm. Lemmings at Starbucks, huh? Maybe I'll go down to the new one
they just built here and see what them little mass suicidal buggers
look like, seein' as how I've never seen either lemmings or the inside
of a Starbucks.
> and are actually dangerous if you've ever seen some guy weaving
> down the road while trying to read the thing or suddenly turning left from
> the right lane as it beeps out instructions.
Maybe the cheap ones. The OEM Jaguar unit tells you up to a half mile
in advance of all turns, adds an advance warning if there's one
quickly following the next, and tells you how far you need to follow
any individual road - up to hundreds of miles. But don't let the
factual details distract you from your mindless and pointless diatribe
against technology. This drivel of yours might apply to the Garmin I
carry in my pocket, but I need the PDA anyway, so I might as well have
handheld nav, too.
> Simple fact is that if you
> don't know where you are going and how to get there before you get in your
> car- stay home.
Aw, gee; and I already violated that rule of yours!
I bought a used X-Type that had the nav system in it 3-4 years ago on
ebay (I'm betting you have a few choice insults for someone who'd do
that, too.) and I picked it up in Houston. Without a clue except the
general direction of College Station, I used the intuitive interface
(I'd never used a nav system of any kind before.) and about 10 minutes
to program in a friend's address and the system took me to within two
blocks of it and highlighted the location with a bullseye - on roads
I'd never laid eyes on before. I didn't even *have* a paper map, much
less look at one. When I left, I visited with another friend outside
Dallas (nav-led) and his brother-in-law (ditto) and then set it to
take me home to Wisconsin. I spent an entire day in Missouri ignoring
the nicely insistent lady in the dashboard (I didn't find out how to
turn her off until later; about the same time I found out she could
speak Italian or Swedish, too.) driving generally north and east on
secondary roads, knowing she'd lead me back to I-44 any time I wished
to go there. Finally crossing the Mississippi back into Illinois, I
heeded her instructions that led me to I-39 and roads I knew how to
follow home. I still didn't have a paper map.
This skips over the load of fun I had outrunning a local 'hotshoe' on
a twisty river bottom secondary road in Oklahoma the night before -
because with a quick look, I could see none of the corners would be
too acute for me to overrun at my 'brisk' pace.
So, feel free to be a technophobe if you want. GPS location and
navigation is a wonderful and useful technology that's going to be
making a big dent in the paper map industry in a few years. If you
think I'm wrong, see how long it takes you to locate a pay phone these
days ... compared to when not every third person carried a cellphone.
--
C.R. Krieger
(Who always knows where he is - with a tolerance of 10 feet.)
Double Tap - 16 Mar 2007 00:42 GMT
Hey C. R.
Great response the luddite jerk.
I just got a Garmin Nuvi 350, great piece of electronics.
My only two complaints is no "qwerty" key entry, and in Queens NY you must
enter a town that an address might not be known as that town. But all in all
it rates a 9 out of ten
On Mar 13, 1:22 pm, "JimInsolo" <jins...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> Las Vegas police reported a number of incidents during last weekends
> Nextel
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> exit
> off I-15.
Yeah; right. Of course, the odds of any of them there NASCAR Yokels©
driving a Jaguar X-Type are pretty slim, so you're still missing your
'target audience', don'tcha' think?
> Those systems are woefully behind in cities like Vegas with
> explosive growth and are a hazard to people like the computer guy who
> followed one down a closed road in Oregon and ended up freezing to death.
I'd be interested in reading your cite on that one. Now, there *was*
the BMW exec who drove a car into a lake because 'zere vas not
supposed to be a lake zere', but the average person with a lick of
sense understands the limitations of the software.
> They are nothing but a sales gimmick aimed at the lemmings hanging around
> starbucks
Hmm. Lemmings at Starbucks, huh? Maybe I'll go down to the new one
they just built here and see what them little mass suicidal buggers
look like, seein' as how I've never seen either lemmings or the inside
of a Starbucks.
> and are actually dangerous if you've ever seen some guy weaving
> down the road while trying to read the thing or suddenly turning left from
> the right lane as it beeps out instructions.
Maybe the cheap ones. The OEM Jaguar unit tells you up to a half mile
in advance of all turns, adds an advance warning if there's one
quickly following the next, and tells you how far you need to follow
any individual road - up to hundreds of miles. But don't let the
factual details distract you from your mindless and pointless diatribe
against technology. This drivel of yours might apply to the Garmin I
carry in my pocket, but I need the PDA anyway, so I might as well have
handheld nav, too.
> Simple fact is that if you
> don't know where you are going and how to get there before you get in your
> car- stay home.
Aw, gee; and I already violated that rule of yours!
I bought a used X-Type that had the nav system in it 3-4 years ago on
ebay (I'm betting you have a few choice insults for someone who'd do
that, too.) and I picked it up in Houston. Without a clue except the
general direction of College Station, I used the intuitive interface
(I'd never used a nav system of any kind before.) and about 10 minutes
to program in a friend's address and the system took me to within two
blocks of it and highlighted the location with a bullseye - on roads
I'd never laid eyes on before. I didn't even *have* a paper map, much
less look at one. When I left, I visited with another friend outside
Dallas (nav-led) and his brother-in-law (ditto) and then set it to
take me home to Wisconsin. I spent an entire day in Missouri ignoring
the nicely insistent lady in the dashboard (I didn't find out how to
turn her off until later; about the same time I found out she could
speak Italian or Swedish, too.) driving generally north and east on
secondary roads, knowing she'd lead me back to I-44 any time I wished
to go there. Finally crossing the Mississippi back into Illinois, I
heeded her instructions that led me to I-39 and roads I knew how to
follow home. I still didn't have a paper map.
This skips over the load of fun I had outrunning a local 'hotshoe' on
a twisty river bottom secondary road in Oklahoma the night before -
because with a quick look, I could see none of the corners would be
too acute for me to overrun at my 'brisk' pace.
So, feel free to be a technophobe if you want. GPS location and
navigation is a wonderful and useful technology that's going to be
making a big dent in the paper map industry in a few years. If you
think I'm wrong, see how long it takes you to locate a pay phone these
days ... compared to when not every third person carried a cellphone.
--
C.R. Krieger
(Who always knows where he is - with a tolerance of 10 feet.)
yokel1 - 16 Mar 2007 15:03 GMT
Queens- how appropriate-
Us old time Nascar fans are getting pretty fed up with the trendy Johnnny
come latelies who are now on the Nascar bandwagon- They show up in their
Lexus or Camry or whatever and talk about Jeff Gordon and Jimmy Johnson and
know all their stats etc. But if you mention Coo Coo Marlin or Tom Pistone
they just stand there with a blank stare and latte dripping down their
chins. The more of these guys who follow their navigation systems to a dead
end the better. I've been going to stock races for 40 years all over this
country and never needed anything more than common sense to find any of
them.
PS to the original guy who was in a panic because of the reflection on his
screen- what do you do when light shines through your window onto your tv
screen- call a repairman?
> Hey C. R.
> Great response the luddite jerk.
[quoted text clipped - 83 lines]
> C.R. Krieger
> (Who always knows where he is - with a tolerance of 10 feet.)
C.R. Krieger - 16 Mar 2007 19:04 GMT
> Queens- how appropriate-
> Us old time Nascar fans are getting pretty fed up with the trendy Johnnny
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> chins. The more of these guys who follow their navigation systems to a dead
> end the better.
Hey; no offense intended to anyone who's actually stuck it out since
real Stock Car© days. I gave up on 'em about the time the last
vestiges of actual stock chassis disappeared - around 1970. I was a
huge Ford/Mopar fan, especially in the '63-'70 period. These days, I
simply have no interest until they finally either purge the series of
all the silhouette racers (a resurrected NASCAR-sanctioned NATCC would
be great!) or change the name to reflect that they bear no more
resemblance to stock Fords & Chevies than does my BMW.
> I've been going to stock races for 40 years all over this
> country and never needed anything more than common sense to find any of
> them.
I generally agree. But if you're looking for some places like
Blackhawk Farms or Nelson Ledges, a nav system can come in mighty
handy!
--
C.R. Krieger
(Road race guy ...)
Double Tap - 16 Mar 2007 19:41 GMT
Yokel is quite appropriate in your case.
I was at the world 600 in Charlotte May 24 1964 when Fireball Roberts had is
accident that took his life about a month later. I had the great pleasure
meeting Rodger Penske and Mark Donohue in person in 1968 at Bridgehampton
when they let me sit in the SONOCO Special #6 that won the race and was
doing 200MPH on the straight away. The point being I know my way around a
race track, and the city I live in. I also believe in useing the best
technology available to me if it will save me time effort and energy. Now if
someone would come up with software that could detect newsgroup shmucks
before I read the post, I would buy it immediately.
> Queens- how appropriate-
> Us old time Nascar fans are getting pretty fed up with the trendy Johnnny
[quoted text clipped - 106 lines]
>> C.R. Krieger
>> (Who always knows where he is - with a tolerance of 10 feet.)
Alan Strickland - 25 Mar 2007 17:54 GMT
>Now if
someone would come up with software that could detect newsgroup shmucks
> before I read the post, I would buy it immediately.
jiminsolo - 27 Mar 2007 14:05 GMT
$_73.83244@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> >Now if
> someone would come up with software that could detect newsgroup shmucks
> > before I read the post, I would buy it immediately.
>
> Still hung up on software to handle all your chores- if you want to detect
schmucks before they post just look in the mirror- and its FREE!!
Double Tap - 28 Mar 2007 02:06 GMT
> $_73.83244@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> >Now if
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>> detect
> schmucks before they post just look in the mirror- and its FREE!!
My, my, do we detect a bit of hostility, paranoia, and self identification
in your response to jiminsolo ?
Double Tap
JimInsolo - 16 Mar 2007 14:10 GMT
I bought my first Jag in 1963 and once owned a specialty Jaguar shop- In
those days it was a unique vehicle known for performance, style and lousy
reliability. Only a certain type of person would buy one. Today its just
another stamped clone which appeals to the gimmick addicts. As far as
Nascar yokels are concerned, they have somehow built the most successful
sports franchise in history and the F-1 guys consult them regularly on
technical matters.
On Mar 13, 1:22 pm, "JimInsolo" <jins...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> Las Vegas police reported a number of incidents during last weekends Nextel
> cup race where guys with navigation systems ended up lost out behind Nellis
> air base despite the fact that the Las Vegas Motorspeedway has its own exit
> off I-15.
Yeah; right. Of course, the odds of any of them there NASCAR Yokels©
driving a Jaguar X-Type are pretty slim, so you're still missing your
'target audience', don'tcha' think?
> Those systems are woefully behind in cities like Vegas with
> explosive growth and are a hazard to people like the computer guy who
> followed one down a closed road in Oregon and ended up freezing to death.
I'd be interested in reading your cite on that one. Now, there *was*
the BMW exec who drove a car into a lake because 'zere vas not
supposed to be a lake zere', but the average person with a lick of
sense understands the limitations of the software.
> They are nothing but a sales gimmick aimed at the lemmings hanging around
> starbucks
Hmm. Lemmings at Starbucks, huh? Maybe I'll go down to the new one
they just built here and see what them little mass suicidal buggers
look like, seein' as how I've never seen either lemmings or the inside
of a Starbucks.
> and are actually dangerous if you've ever seen some guy weaving
> down the road while trying to read the thing or suddenly turning left from
> the right lane as it beeps out instructions.
Maybe the cheap ones. The OEM Jaguar unit tells you up to a half mile
in advance of all turns, adds an advance warning if there's one
quickly following the next, and tells you how far you need to follow
any individual road - up to hundreds of miles. But don't let the
factual details distract you from your mindless and pointless diatribe
against technology. This drivel of yours might apply to the Garmin I
carry in my pocket, but I need the PDA anyway, so I might as well have
handheld nav, too.
> Simple fact is that if you
> don't know where you are going and how to get there before you get in your
> car- stay home.
Aw, gee; and I already violated that rule of yours!
I bought a used X-Type that had the nav system in it 3-4 years ago on
ebay (I'm betting you have a few choice insults for someone who'd do
that, too.) and I picked it up in Houston. Without a clue except the
general direction of College Station, I used the intuitive interface
(I'd never used a nav system of any kind before.) and about 10 minutes
to program in a friend's address and the system took me to within two
blocks of it and highlighted the location with a bullseye - on roads
I'd never laid eyes on before. I didn't even *have* a paper map, much
less look at one. When I left, I visited with another friend outside
Dallas (nav-led) and his brother-in-law (ditto) and then set it to
take me home to Wisconsin. I spent an entire day in Missouri ignoring
the nicely insistent lady in the dashboard (I didn't find out how to
turn her off until later; about the same time I found out she could
speak Italian or Swedish, too.) driving generally north and east on
secondary roads, knowing she'd lead me back to I-44 any time I wished
to go there. Finally crossing the Mississippi back into Illinois, I
heeded her instructions that led me to I-39 and roads I knew how to
follow home. I still didn't have a paper map.
This skips over the load of fun I had outrunning a local 'hotshoe' on
a twisty river bottom secondary road in Oklahoma the night before -
because with a quick look, I could see none of the corners would be
too acute for me to overrun at my 'brisk' pace.
So, feel free to be a technophobe if you want. GPS location and
navigation is a wonderful and useful technology that's going to be
making a big dent in the paper map industry in a few years. If you
think I'm wrong, see how long it takes you to locate a pay phone these
days ... compared to when not every third person carried a cellphone.
--
C.R. Krieger
(Who always knows where he is - with a tolerance of 10 feet.)
C.R. Krieger - 16 Mar 2007 19:18 GMT
> I bought my first Jag in 1963 and once owned a specialty Jaguar shop- In
> those days it was a unique vehicle known for performance, style and lousy
> reliability. Only a certain type of person would buy one.
Yep. A rich glutton for punishment.
> Today its just
> another stamped clone which appeals to the gimmick addicts.
Gee; what marque isn't? There's a reason I drive a 20-year-old BMW
(and *don't want* a new one). And I always wanted to own a Jaguar
(and *don't want* an old one). At least Jaguar still has some
stylists on staff, while BMW is stuck with Chris Bangle. I would have
settled for a base 2.5 manual X-Type, but I got a steal on the one we
have - a Phoenix Red 3.0 Sport 5-speed - with everything except a cold
weather package (not much call for 'em in Texas, I hear). So the nav
system was essentially free. I'd have bought the car without it.
That doesn't mean I can't appreciate it. It's seriously cool. But
that doesn't mean I'm insisting on it in any future cars, either.
> As far as
> Nascar yokels are concerned, they have somehow built the most successful
> sports franchise in history and the F-1 guys consult them regularly on
> technical matters.
Seems to me I wasn't the one making fun of them first - and I
definitely wasn't referring to any of the teams. I've worked in
racing. Still do, as an SCCA scrutineer. I appreciate the technical
aspects of NASCAR and I cross my fingers for the franchise since I own
stock in companies that own most of the tracks in the coutry. But you
won't find me hangin' with their current fans anytime soon.
--
C.R. Krieger
(A little bit NASCAR; a little bit twisty road)
Jim C - 17 Mar 2007 13:08 GMT
Wrong, I'm a huge Nascar fan and I drive an x-type and a Mustang gt
On Mar 13, 1:22 pm, "JimInsolo" <jins...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> Las Vegas police reported a number of incidents during last weekends
> Nextel
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> exit
> off I-15.
Yeah; right. Of course, the odds of any of them there NASCAR Yokels©
driving a Jaguar X-Type are pretty slim, so you're still missing your
'target audience', don'tcha' think?
> Those systems are woefully behind in cities like Vegas with
> explosive growth and are a hazard to people like the computer guy who
> followed one down a closed road in Oregon and ended up freezing to death.
I'd be interested in reading your cite on that one. Now, there *was*
the BMW exec who drove a car into a lake because 'zere vas not
supposed to be a lake zere', but the average person with a lick of
sense understands the limitations of the software.
> They are nothing but a sales gimmick aimed at the lemmings hanging around
> starbucks
Hmm. Lemmings at Starbucks, huh? Maybe I'll go down to the new one
they just built here and see what them little mass suicidal buggers
look like, seein' as how I've never seen either lemmings or the inside
of a Starbucks.
> and are actually dangerous if you've ever seen some guy weaving
> down the road while trying to read the thing or suddenly turning left from
> the right lane as it beeps out instructions.
Maybe the cheap ones. The OEM Jaguar unit tells you up to a half mile
in advance of all turns, adds an advance warning if there's one
quickly following the next, and tells you how far you need to follow
any individual road - up to hundreds of miles. But don't let the
factual details distract you from your mindless and pointless diatribe
against technology. This drivel of yours might apply to the Garmin I
carry in my pocket, but I need the PDA anyway, so I might as well have
handheld nav, too.
> Simple fact is that if you
> don't know where you are going and how to get there before you get in your
> car- stay home.
Aw, gee; and I already violated that rule of yours!
I bought a used X-Type that had the nav system in it 3-4 years ago on
ebay (I'm betting you have a few choice insults for someone who'd do
that, too.) and I picked it up in Houston. Without a clue except the
general direction of College Station, I used the intuitive interface
(I'd never used a nav system of any kind before.) and about 10 minutes
to program in a friend's address and the system took me to within two
blocks of it and highlighted the location with a bullseye - on roads
I'd never laid eyes on before. I didn't even *have* a paper map, much
less look at one. When I left, I visited with another friend outside
Dallas (nav-led) and his brother-in-law (ditto) and then set it to
take me home to Wisconsin. I spent an entire day in Missouri ignoring
the nicely insistent lady in the dashboard (I didn't find out how to
turn her off until later; about the same time I found out she could
speak Italian or Swedish, too.) driving generally north and east on
secondary roads, knowing she'd lead me back to I-44 any time I wished
to go there. Finally crossing the Mississippi back into Illinois, I
heeded her instructions that led me to I-39 and roads I knew how to
follow home. I still didn't have a paper map.
This skips over the load of fun I had outrunning a local 'hotshoe' on
a twisty river bottom secondary road in Oklahoma the night before -
because with a quick look, I could see none of the corners would be
too acute for me to overrun at my 'brisk' pace.
So, feel free to be a technophobe if you want. GPS location and
navigation is a wonderful and useful technology that's going to be
making a big dent in the paper map industry in a few years. If you
think I'm wrong, see how long it takes you to locate a pay phone these
days ... compared to when not every third person carried a cellphone.
--
C.R. Krieger
(Who always knows where he is - with a tolerance of 10 feet.)
C.R. Krieger - 19 Mar 2007 19:34 GMT
(Top-posting fixed for logic reasons; post snipped for context
reasons)
> > Yeah; right. Of course, the odds of any of them there NASCAR Yokels©
> >driving a Jaguar X-Type are pretty slim, so you're still missing your
> >'target audience', don'tcha' think?
>
> Wrong, I'm a huge Nascar fan and I drive an x-type and a Mustang gt
Well, that makes ... one. Any idea what 'anecdotal evidence' means?
When you can learn to edit posts to delete dozens of lines of
irrelevant stuff and stop top-posting, get back to me and we'll start
a real flamewar.
--
C.R. Krieger
(Wondering where you put your "8" stickers on the Jag - and why BMW
didn't do better in Oz.)