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Car Forum / Jaguar Cars / May 2007

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Ignition probs

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Ows123 - 06 May 2007 11:24 GMT
I have a 4.0l 1995 Sovereign which obviously has an ignition problem. It
broke down in me twice, once after only a 3 mile drive where it wouldn't
restart after about half an hour.
I have returned it to the dealer as it is under warranty (a side-of-the-road
dealer) Their service has been excellent so far but after three weeks they
still cannot fathom the problem. Is there an inherrent problem with this type
of car and if so does anyone know what causes it please?

Many thanks
WayneC - 06 May 2007 18:57 GMT
> I have a 4.0l 1995 Sovereign which obviously has an ignition problem. It
> broke down in me twice, once after only a 3 mile drive where it wouldn't
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>
> Many thanks

One common point of failure is the crank position sensor.
Ows123 - 08 May 2007 22:13 GMT
>> I have a 4.0l 1995 Sovereign which obviously has an ignition problem. It
>> broke down in me twice, once after only a 3 mile drive where it wouldn't
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>
>One common point of failure is the crank position sensor.

Thanks Wayne. Passed this on yesterday and they say that was one of the first
things they tried. Bearing in mind they've had this car going on 4 weeks, at
what point do I say enough is enough.
WayneC - 09 May 2007 03:07 GMT
>>> I have a 4.0l 1995 Sovereign which obviously has an ignition problem. It
>>> broke down in me twice, once after only a 3 mile drive where it wouldn't
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> things they tried. Bearing in mind they've had this car going on 4 weeks, at
> what point do I say enough is enough.

Assuming you know it's ignition (you don't say how you know that), and
the car refuses
to even try to restart,even with starter fluid sprayed into the intake
(to verify it's not a fuel issue),
my next guess would be a coil... unfortunately they are not cheap at
around $160 (unless
you could find one in a junk yard you could try), or possibly a
distributor rotor. But there
are other possibilities, like a short to the electrical supply wire to
the coil, or a bad relay, or
even an oil pressure switch or temperature sensor. Are there no
dashboard warning codes?

Yes, 4 weeks is more patience than I'd have, but intermittent failures
are very hard to diagnose.
Even crank position failures can be intermittent. How did they "try" it
without a hard failure?
If this dealer shop doesn't normally deal with Jaguars, I'd ask them to
take it to a shop
that does, or at least consult with one.
After all, is their warranty void just because THEY can't fix it themselves?
Ows123 - 09 May 2007 05:39 GMT
>>>> I have a 4.0l 1995 Sovereign which obviously has an ignition problem. It
>>>> broke down in me twice, once after only a 3 mile drive where it wouldn't
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>that does, or at least consult with one.
>After all, is their warranty void just because THEY can't fix it themselves?

Thanks Wayne. All the indications are an ignition failure, it turns over and
tries to fire but doesn't quite make it. Evidently it is not a fuel problem
as that's been checked. There was no dashboard warning prior to the event. My
initial feeling was something like a typical short around the plug/HT area,
where insulation is breaking down and not all the full 50000 volts is getting
to the ignition point on the plugs. They assure me they have checked this and
I have no reason to doubt them.
I think what I will do is give them until the weekend and if not fixed by
then advise that I will get it recovered to a Jag dealer, get them to fix it
and send the bill to this outfit.
Thanks for your help thus far.

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